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[R32 3838]

On 6/2/2020 at 5:41 PM, Calvin said:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/mta-resuming-full-service-next-week-wants-help-from-volunteers/?fbclid=IwAR2NMItkZhAsEfZxxSRFo9ZOMjXXaMuJqeB7vdk07fLL3YVaygTR1AMMeLE : Article about full service on the MTA NYC system

Full service resumes next week, but, let's see

https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/retailers-cancel-reopenings-amid-protests-over-george-floyds-killing/?fbclid=IwAR3WobPBdiVBxS7Q8xfx1Ng9ujVGMlaTRPGeen2sOFF5hfWdW9GXYpstyso : Retail stores cancelled reopening at that week due to chaos that has happened this week. 

They'll still do phase I of reopening, Some stores will still open

[Ultimategamer12c]

Today the and is now going exp. And the goes back to 96th Street 2nd Avenue for the morning,  just tracked it today this morning.

Edited June 4, 2020 by Ultimategamer12c

[Abba]

9 hours ago, Calvin said:

There's a talk that starting Monday, the 8th, the and Express service will return in-passenger service. The put-ins/drop-offs at 111 St may come back. 

It started today. 

[bwwnyc123]

Subway service is getting back to normal. and service will be return on Monday right?

 

Edited June 4, 2020 by bwwnyc123

[Ultimategamer12c]

1 hour ago, bwwnyc123 said:

Subway service is getting back to normal. and service will be return on Monday right?

 

Yes.

[Bklyn Bound 2 Local]

Yes!!!!!!

[Calvin]

I wonder if the flip seats on the 142/As and select 160 will be removed to avoid contact with one another. 

 

Also, other R160A-1 on the  is 8329-8332 / 8341-8344

Edited June 5, 2020 by Calvin
2 on the C: 8329-2, 8341-4, 8357-60, 8369-72

[VIP]

9 hours ago, Calvin said:

I wonder if the flip seats on the 142/As and select 160 will be removed to avoid contact with one another. 

 

Also, other R160A-1 on the  is 8329-8332 / 8341-8344

Those are getting sent back this weekend, the  needs them. 

[R68OnBroadway]

If moving the  to 53rd is successful, would it be possible to have a more frequent  service? Here's how I could see it happening, not sure if it would be best to do though:

- both expresses run via 53rd so the  can pick up more for the  

-this allows the  to run more TPH, so we can go for 18 tph  / 12 tph  with CBTC

-  service is limited by the Williamsburg bridge and myrtle to 10 tph, so there isn't an issue of conflict on 6th Av

- 18 tph can be split into 10 tph  local and 8 tph  express

Any ideas if this would be practical?

[R10 2952]

38 minutes ago, R68OnBroadway said:

If moving the  to 53rd is successful, would it be possible to have a more frequent  service? Here's how I could see it happening, not sure if it would be best to do though:

- both expresses run via 53rd so the  can pick up more for the  

-this allows the  to run more TPH, so we can go for 18 tph  / 12 tph  with CBTC

-  service is limited by the Williamsburg bridge and myrtle to 10 tph, so there isn't an issue of conflict on 6th Av

- 18 tph can be split into 10 tph  local and 8 tph  express

Any ideas if this would be practical?

Unless they plan to have the run overnight on 63rd Street, I don't see the sense of this swap.  Why is the MTA even considering a plan that would still require the to stay on 63rd for late nights and weekends? It will just create confusion for the riders.

[Lawrence St]

14 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

Unless they plan to have the run overnight on 63rd Street, I don't see the sense of this swap.  Why is the MTA even considering a plan that would still require the to stay on 63rd for late nights and weekends? It will just create confusion for the riders.

Exactly. Unless they plan on having the end at 21st St during weekends and overnights.

[R68OnBroadway]

58 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

Unless they plan to have the run overnight on 63rd Street, I don't see the sense of this swap.  Why is the MTA even considering a plan that would still require the to stay on 63rd for late nights and weekends? It will just create confusion for the riders.

If they do keep this swap, they should make the  local to Forest Hills at all times except overnight and have the  swap northern terminals so that the  becomes the part time QBL local.

[Calvin]

http://www.news12.com/story/42215169/mta-officials-hold-news-conference-as-nyc-prepares-for-phase-1-reopening-next-week-watch-live?fbclid=IwAR3VDJgh7zIZ8HVoC5KxOOBboKC5lX_YRP7EE_5_anVCuG_iw20jUe9Fazg

These are the planned steps following Monday,  June 8th. Return of ridership with improved health tips. 

Edited June 5, 2020 by Calvin

[Collin]

Yet they have no plan as to which phase overnight service returns.  Why are politicians so keen on ending it forever?

[LGA Link N Train]

2 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

If moving the  to 53rd is successful, would it be possible to have a more frequent  service? Here's how I could see it happening, not sure if it would be best to do though:

- both expresses run via 53rd so the  can pick up more for the  

-this allows the  to run more TPH, so we can go for 18 tph  / 12 tph  with CBTC

-  service is limited by the Williamsburg bridge and myrtle to 10 tph, so there isn't an issue of conflict on 6th Av

- 18 tph can be split into 10 tph  local and 8 tph  express

Any ideas if this would be practical?

I'd say yes. Though I'd do this a bit differently: 

18 ; 12 via 53rd. 6 TPH worth of Trains will run Express to 179th along with these Trains in Question. 

8 TPH worth of Service should run full time via 63rd with 6-7 TPH worth of trains that'll run local in Queens and as 's in Brooklyn. 

[MysteriousBtrain]

36 minutes ago, Collin said:

Yet they have no plan as to which phase overnight service returns.  Why are politicians so keen on ending it forever?

Some of you forget we are still dealing with a world where everything has to be cleaned constantly. It's established that not just the subways but other jobs and environments will not be operating near normal anytime soon.

Edited June 5, 2020 by MysteriousBtrain

[T to Dyre Avenue]

9 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

If moving the  to 53rd is successful, would it be possible to have a more frequent  service? Here's how I could see it happening, not sure if it would be best to do though:

- both expresses run via 53rd so the  can pick up more for the  

-this allows the  to run more TPH, so we can go for 18 tph  / 12 tph  with CBTC

-  service is limited by the Williamsburg bridge and myrtle to 10 tph, so there isn't an issue of conflict on 6th Av

- 18 tph can be split into 10 tph  local and 8 tph  express

Any ideas if this would be practical?

Are they still planning to swap the ‘s and ’s East River crossings? I do think it’s practical, but my concern is with the  running 10 tph with 8-car trains, it will be a significant cut in service to the 63rd St corridor. However, there will be much less merging near Queens Plaza with only the  and  merging at 36th St.

6 hours ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

I'd say yes. Though I'd do this a bit differently: 

18 ; 12 via 53rd. 6 TPH worth of Trains will run Express to 179th along with these Trains in Question. 

8 TPH worth of Service should run full time via 63rd with 6-7 TPH worth of trains that'll run local in Queens and as 's in Brooklyn. 

Those  trains that run local should be called  trains. It will be very confusing to some  trains local in Queens via the 63rd St tunnel and others express via 53rd.

7 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said:

If they do keep this swap, they should make the  local to Forest Hills at all times except overnight and have the  swap northern terminals so that the  becomes the part time QBL local.

Agreed. If the  is rerouted to 63rd, then it would be better to have the same service in the 63rd St tunnel on weekends as weekdays. 

[T to Dyre Avenue]

6 hours ago, Collin said:

Yet they have no plan as to which phase overnight service returns.  Why are politicians so keen on ending it forever?

How do you know they want to end it forever? Personally, I’d like for trains to be cleaned  and sterilized to minimize the chances of catching not just Corona, but also the flu and other contagions if the trains aren’t cleared of homeless people. And bed bugs...yup, homeless people have them. 

[CenSin]

6 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Are they still planning to swap the ‘s and ’s East River crossings? I do think it’s practical, but my concern is with the  running 10 tph with 8-car trains, it will be a significant cut in service to the 63rd St corridor. However, there will be much less merging near Queens Plaza with only the  and  merging at 36th St.

Well, the merge count remains the same:

• : 36 Street ⟶ 5 Avenue/53 Street
• : Queens Plaza ⟶ 36 Street

I don’t know if 5 Avenue/53 Street is better since the junction is run like Broadway’s 34 Street–Herald Square switches; the () has to switch between the () and () tracks. Is that curve even long enough to act as a pocket track for the while it’s waiting for the track ahead to clear?

[darkstar8983]

24 minutes ago, CenSin said:

Well, the merge count remains the same:

• : 36 Street ⟶ 5 Avenue/53 Street
• : Queens Plaza ⟶ 36 Street

I don’t know if 5 Avenue/53 Street is better since the junction is run like Broadway’s 34 Street–Herald Square switches; the () has to switch between the () and () tracks. Is that curve even long enough to act as a pocket track for the while it’s waiting for the track ahead to clear?

Actually it’s one merge less. Now you don’t have an  and  merge 

[Deucey]

10 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Agreed. If the  is rerouted to 63rd, then it would be better to have the same service in the 63rd St tunnel on weekends as weekdays. 

By that logic,  should run to Continental overnights so  stays on the bridge, and the current  should never run to Chambers St on weekends.

(I think people will catch on if  runs over 63rd St overnights.)

[CenSin]

3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Actually it’s one merge less. Now you don’t have an  and  merge 

Ah! right on! how'd i forget that merge. It's as bad as the merge and split to share the 60 Street tunnel with the . good to eliminate

[CenSin]

5 minutes ago, Deucey said:

By that logic,  should run to Continental overnights so  stays on the bridge

They’re not exactly comparable though. All of the tunnel route is a superset of the Manhattan Bridge route. It’s basically a local-from-express change and logically a part of the same corridor (though it’s one hell of a physical shortcut that even the IND’s deliberate efforts doesn’t beat).

63 Street, however, has a different set of stops from 53 Street. They are logically and physically different corridors.

[Lawrence St]

48 minutes ago, CenSin said:

They’re not exactly comparable though. All of the tunnel route is a superset of the Manhattan Bridge route. It’s basically a local-from-express change and logically a part of the same corridor (though it’s one hell of a physical shortcut that even the IND’s deliberate efforts doesn’t beat).

63 Street, however, has a different set of stops from 53 Street. They are logically and physically different corridors.

63rd St is one of those corridors where no matter what you do with the service patterns, it will always be a mess in terms of switching and delays.

If they do want to switch the  and  on both 53rd and 63rd St corridors, that's going to do nothing but cause confusion. CenSin is right, even though 53rd St is "technically" a shortcut to the Queens Blvd Line, it's a big difference from when the  runs via Lower Manhattan. 

[Calvin]

Happy travels, stay safe and healthy. Two R160s are in-service on the  as of now.