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[T to Dyre Avenue]

18 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

They don't want to use the switches at West 4th which I think is fair. Other GOs involving the on 8th Avenue also complicate things.

Then they really should print up some sort of map or diagram to show how weekend  and  service will run, and prominently display them in  and  stations, because it is going to confuse the hell out of a lot of people. At least for the four months in 2021, where it will be in effect continuously.

[M5viaRiverside]

33 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

They don't want to use the switches at West 4th which I think is fair. Other GOs involving the on 8th Avenue also complicate things.

Right, the  would need to run on the express track if you had the and merging onto the 8th Avenue local track at West 4th Street. Spring Street would only be served by the if you kept the on the express track to avoid that merge. Their plan is starting to make a lot more sense with the Train G.O.

Edited September 24, 2020 by M5viaRiverside

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

17 minutes ago, M5viaRiverside said:

So you would have the terminate at Delancey Street and have the run on the Line after West 4th Street? Seems like a scheduling hassle for crews by making the route miles longer.

They could have  crews operate the  (and vice-versa) in that scenario. That way you don't have to rewrite from scratch. 

The issue isn't so much the scheduling, but more of how foreign the  to Coney Island would be (as it's never happened in a G.O before) to riders and what they would do.  Queens riders are typically used multiple variations of the  /  swap, so it isn't too much of an issue there. It's more about reducing confusion for riders. 

If you think about it, for people who are traveling into Manhattan from their home station, it's more convenient for unaware riders to realize a train they're familiar with be rerouted, vs not getting on a train that stops nowhere near that stop, and then after letting trains go, getting on and still being clueless of where the train is going. You can put all the signs up in the world, and you'll still have people who won't see it, and will delay the train because they're holding doors and asking around.

You'll get that too on trains going from Manhattan, but generally, unaware riders would be more inclined to listen for announcements or go to the conductor if they're trying to go home from someplace. That way if it's a consecutive night/weekend G.O, they know more or less what to do after. Also, you wouldn't get scenarios such as riders normally getting on the  and then run around like their heads got cut off when the train all of sudden terminates at Delancey Street. 

 

[vioreen]

During night hours, instead of the  running from 207 to Far Rockaway why not just reroute it to Lefferts and have a shuttle  train From Euclid Ave to Far Rockaway.

[Vulturious]

6 minutes ago, vioreen said:

During night hours, instead of the  running from 207 to Far Rockaway why not just reroute it to Lefferts and have a shuttle  train From Euclid Ave to Far Rockaway.

Because then you would have it interfere with . The reason why during late nights the Lefferts Shuttle is running from Lefferts to Euclid is because the  is running local with no  service. 

[MeeP15-9112]

2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Then they really should print up some sort of map or diagram to show how weekend  and  service will run, and prominently display them in  and  stations, because it is going to confuse the hell out of a lot of people. At least for the four months in 2021, where it will be in effect continuously.

Why not put it on the paper and digital maps? If the TA is going to update it with more accessibility compliant stations soon, why not kill two birds with one stone?

[Lex]

37 minutes ago, vioreen said:

During night hours, instead of the  running from 207 to Far Rockaway why not just reroute it to Lefferts and have a shuttle  train From Euclid Ave to Far Rockaway.

Clearly, you've never tried to reach the Rockaways during the day.

[Union Tpke]

13 hours ago, vioreen said:

During night hours, instead of the  running from 207 to Far Rockaway why not just reroute it to Lefferts and have a shuttle  train From Euclid Ave to Far Rockaway.

The change was made as ridership is higher to the Rockaways than to Lefferts. It also allowed them to get rid of the round-robin shuttle.

 

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Edited September 25, 2020 by Union Tpke

[B35 via Church]

17 minutes ago, Union Tpke said:

The change was made as ridership is higher to the Rockaways than to Lefferts. It also allowed them to get rid of the round-robin shuttle.....

Yeah, outside of Lefferts Blvd. itself on the Lefferts branch, yikes...... The quote-unquote intermediate stations along the Far Rock spur garners more patronage.

Edited September 25, 2020 by B35 via Church

[Union Tpke]

I just got around to adding a summary of the document I posted in the Wikipedia article for the A train.

[NewFlyer 230]

19 hours ago, vioreen said:

During night hours, instead of the  running from 207 to Far Rockaway why not just reroute it to Lefferts and have a shuttle  train From Euclid Ave to Far Rockaway.

While Far Rockaway stations don’t get crazy high usage it definitely beats what 104th and 111th street on the Lefferts branch gets. During the day minus Lefferts Blvd the other two stations are lightly used but at night it’s a ghost town. You also have to keep in mind that the Far Rock branch serves Howard Beach-JFK which is ideally a station the MTA would want to keep direct service to.

I find along the Lefferts branch more people tend to take use the bus to the  and . 104th street isn’t too far from Rockaway Blvd so you could technically walk it if you got on a Far Rock train. 
 

[Calvin]

R143 #8132 now has the train strip map updated. However, added on to the map is the  lines. Similar map structure to the  lines. 

 

Edited September 26, 2020 by Calvin

[Theli11]

16 minutes ago, Calvin said:

R143 #8132 now has the train strip map updated. However, added on to the map is the  lines. Similar map structure to the  lines. 

 

That looks amazing, especially since I take the and trains. 

[NewFlyer 230]

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

R143 #8132 now has the train strip map updated. However, added on to the map is the  lines. Similar map structure to the  lines. 

 

I wonder how expensive it would have been to retrofit the trains with a FIND like the R160s. 
I have to say I do like the strip map of the  and  

[Theli11]

38 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I have to say I do like the strip map of the  and  

It should show stops that the skips, though it's a small nitpick from me.

[Vulturious]

40 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I wonder how expensive it would have been to retrofit the trains with a FIND like the R160s. 
I have to say I do like the strip map of the  and  

Well they did spend money on these strip maps and I highly doubt the R143 are going to go on any other route other than the Eastern Division. I do have some hope that if they do actually go to some other route, they could run on the  so they can have more cars to run. Is it possible to reconfigure the R143 cars around to make them 5 car sets and not 4? I know that is going to decrease car sets down from 53 to like 42 with 1 or 2 odd cars out. Just out of curiosity, if it's not, totally understandable if you think this is a dumb question.

1 minute ago, Theli11 said:

It should show stops that the skips, though it's a small nitpick from me.

I don't see why it wouldn't show which stops the  skips, just basically defeats the purpose of even showing the  anyways since its all the same stops the  does.

[Maxwell179]

Did anyone hear about this ? 😂😂 https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/secret-man-cave-discovered-below-grand-central-platform-3-mta-employees-busted/2634061/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand&fbclid=IwAR2bJNjzNHcLIXLY2w7RPYB1kr908ntFazc3IuZh9T_XbEvWSk4oAO2QqRw

[Vulturious]

11 minutes ago, Maxwell179 said:

Did anyone hear about this ? 😂😂 https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/secret-man-cave-discovered-below-grand-central-platform-3-mta-employees-busted/2634061/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand&fbclid=IwAR2bJNjzNHcLIXLY2w7RPYB1kr908ntFazc3IuZh9T_XbEvWSk4oAO2QqRw

Yeah that was discovered like 2 days ago, even my friends that could care less about transit found out about it. Not saying that as an insult, just the fact that even they knew was pretty surprising.

[Lex]

6 hours ago, Maxwell179 said:

Did anyone hear about this ? 😂😂 https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/secret-man-cave-discovered-below-grand-central-platform-3-mta-employees-busted/2634061/?_osource=SocialFlowFB_NYBrand&fbclid=IwAR2bJNjzNHcLIXLY2w7RPYB1kr908ntFazc3IuZh9T_XbEvWSk4oAO2QqRw

Deucey started a thread about that in the Railroad section...

[Lance]

11 hours ago, Calvin said:

R143 #8132 now has the train strip map updated. However, added on to the map is the  lines. Similar map structure to the  lines. 

 

I demand compensation for this blatant theft of my idea.

Seriously though, it’s about time they’ve added the J/Z to the line maps on the 143s. It’s been years since these trains have started running on the J.

On a side-note, it looks like the J/Z portion is using old BMT rules making Broad St the “northern terminal” instead of going geographically north-south like the other line maps.

[darkstar8983]

I'm not sure if this is in the right thread:

 

If the 40% Service reductions come to pass, I wouldn't be surprised if the R46s get put into storage.

[Theli11]

8 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

I'm not sure if this is in the right thread:

 

If the 40% Service reductions come to pass, I wouldn't be surprised if the R46s get put into storage.

Right thread, I just think there's gonna be limited service.  won't run, and there will be wider intervals between trains. Something like what happened in the start-middle of quarantine. Just less service along the lines. Putting train cars in storage would be one of those reductions, unless it's the R179s, but those are already flip floppity. 

[MHV9218]

In case anybody wondered what a Redbird R21 would have looked like... Not a great paint job, but you get the idea. No service R21s or R22s were painted as a Redbirds, and only a couple dozen R17s were painted as redbirds.

And why it received the number of museum R33WF 9306, beyond me.

[trainfan22]

Sometimes MTA employees that are buffs like to troll with the number plates.

 

 

A few years ago one of the Arines running on the Holiday train was sporting number plates of an Arine car that's up at one of those Trolley museums. 

[Trainmaster5]

1 hour ago, MHV9218 said:

In case anybody wondered what a Redbird R21 would have looked like... Not a great paint job, but you get the idea. No service R21s or R22s were painted as a Redbirds, and only a couple dozen R17s were painted as redbirds.

And why it received the number of museum R33WF 9306, beyond me.

Why do you think that it’s not R33 9306 ? Just curious.