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1 hour ago, lara8710 said:

Most likely, if there was already a separate route between Bay Ridge and the (B)(Q) along Bay Ridge Avenue, the MTA would spontaneously decide to combine it with the B2 for a straight-through service. Hypothetically speaking, ridership would be somewhat different if that would've already happened--at least in my perspective. They did it once with the B82 in 1995 by combining the B5 and B50 routes together, and now ridership along the route has spiked. However, since we don't have a route between Kings Highway and Bay Ridge, the B2 stayed as is, and the MTA just neglected it till they finally restored weekend service a couple years back.

My point is the route was fine as is for years because it ran reliably and thus people used it.  When it started running like crap, that's when people stopped. I used it a lot when I lived in Midwood. I had the option of the B2 or the B9, and the B2 was a bit more reliable back then.  

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21 minutes ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Its crazy, for like every 1 new Nova LFSA that comes in, 8-9 New Flyer XD40s come in. 

 

The XDs were probably already built. The Novas have been having changes up the ass and were delayed. 

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17 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

O7 NGs are going through a model-specific 'program' at the overhaul shops from what I understand. DOB probably wants to hold onto those buses for a while.

I wonder if this is an Fishbowl blitz, reman GMC RTS type of situation.

 

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5 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I agree.  Everyone seems to feel the need to say oh it HAS to be extended. The route has been around for decades and I used it quite frequently back in the 90s when I lived in Southern Brooklyn. A friend of ours lived in Marine Park and I do remember it running not only frequently but it ran well in terms of it being reliable.

The B100 may have better service levels, but that route runs too erratically for me to bother putting up with if.... Arrives in bunches, then nothing for half an hour.... Weekends, forget it - it has a tendency to "arrive whenever"..... I have always favored the B2 over it.... Like you, I also remember when the route had decent ridership during off peak hrs. too.... Shit, during my HS years, it ended up becoming my go to (route) if I wanted to go to KP after school.... Classmates/acquaintances would do the B68 to the B3 (largely for chasing tail from them Lafayette chicks)... I grew sick of a] sardining on & b] subjecting myself to more boisterousness than what I had to & did the quick (D) ride from Brighton Beach to Kings Hwy, to then board a nice, quiet, efficient B2 ride to the plaza..... If I didn't meet up with them (usually didn't), I would buy what I wanted to go there for to begin with & then hop in a dollar van to head home... That was when the vans used to stop right in front of KP (Flatbush av side)....

5 hours ago, lara8710 said:

Most likely, if there was already a separate route between Bay Ridge and the (B)(Q) along Bay Ridge Avenue, the MTA would spontaneously decide to combine it with the B2 for a straight-through service. Hypothetically speaking, ridership would be somewhat different if that would've already happened--at least in my perspective. They did it once with the B82 in 1995 by combining the B5 and B50 routes together, and now ridership along the route has spiked. However, since we don't have a route between Kings Highway and Bay Ridge, the B2 stayed as is, and the MTA just neglected it till they finally restored weekend service a couple years back.

A reason they ended up combining those two routes, was to discontinue buses terminating full time at Flatbush/Kings Hwy (which was the case with the B5)..... That was back when more B7's terminated at Flatbush, on top of it.... It was an issue of safety (buses u-turning on Kings Hwy the way it did), and not to mention the traffic backups it would sometimes cause... I really don't blame the MTA from that vantage point/aspect of it.....

Maybe you can clue us in, because I'm not seeing much of anything that suggests that the B2 would be combined with a Bay Ridge av. bus route (or w/e other stretch of road such a route would take to get b/w Bay Ridge & Kings Hwy. (B)(Q)).... The B5 wasn't in the same ballpark as the B2, in terms of revenue mileage..... The creation of today's B82 had more to do with consolidation of service along Kings Hwy... A better example of what you think would happen with the B2 & this Bay Ridge av route or whatever, was the merging of the old Q45/Q47 (which formed today's Q47) - two routes with a mutual "midpoint" (74th st bus terminal) that the vast majority of the overall ridership on both routes were seeking travel to/from....

5 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

My point is the route was fine as is for years because it ran reliably and thus people used it.  When it started running like crap, that's when people stopped. I used it a lot when I lived in Midwood. I had the option of the B2 or the B9, and the B2 was a bit more reliable back then.  

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17 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Maybe you can clue us in, because I'm not seeing much of anything that suggests that the B2 would be combined with a Bay Ridge av. bus route (or w/e other stretch of road such a route would take to get b/w Bay Ridge & Kings Hwy. (B)(Q)).... The B5 wasn't in the same ballpark as the B2, in terms of revenue mileage..... The creation of today's B82 had more to do with consolidation of service along Kings Hwy... A better example of what you think would happen with the B2 & this Bay Ridge av route or whatever, was the merging of the old Q45/Q47 (which formed today's Q47) - two routes with a mutual "midpoint" (74th st bus terminal) that the vast majority of the overall ridership on both routes were seeking travel to/from....

Absolutely. Rather than have two separate routes serving their own ridership bases, what I was suggesting was a single route serving multiple ridership bases. As I mentioned earlier, some buses from Kings Plaza could short time at the (B)(Q) station for riders who just need frequent service between those two destinations while buses continuing west towards Bay Ridge would run less frequently.

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4 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said:

Bunch of bad ass little kids that ain’t got no business being out. The bus in question is 7676 out of East New York. This had to be along the B82 since this the bus is +selectbusservice. 

But honest to truth there needs to be a special lock so that unauthorized persons are not permitted to take a bus out for a joyride. 

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52 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Bunch of bad ass little kids that ain’t got no business being out. The bus in question is 7676 out of East New York. This had to be along the B82 since this the bus is +selectbusservice. 

But honest to truth there needs to be a special lock so that unauthorized persons are not permitted to take a bus out for a joyride. 

They took the bus from the Herkimer Place Lot at the East New York Depot and drive it 1.5 miles to Conduit Blvd and Atlantic Avenue, all while B82 SBS service isn’t running.

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3 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

They took the bus from the Herkimer Place Lot at the East New York Depot and drive it 1.5 miles to Conduit Blvd and Atlantic Avenue, all while B82 SBS service isn’t running.

And how long did it take for them to notice a bus was missing?

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14 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

And how long did it take for them to notice a bus was missing?

I don't know, but probably they figured it was gone by the next morning. Either way, they must be for real. Is this only happening in New York?

 

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2 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I don't know, but probably they figured it was gone by the next morning. Either way, they must be for real. Is this only happening in New York?

 

 

It's easier in NYC since MTA parks buses out in the street...

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This is exactly what I was concerned about after hearing about the bus in the Bronx that got stolen - Copycat criminals.

It's enough that there as many people stealing service in this city - Now MF-ers are going around stealing the actual goddamn bus....

Stupid shit.

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What I initially came in here to post was that, I got off a B46 about an hour ago... Rode it from WBP.... Anyway, when we got to Woodhull, there was a good-sized crowd waiting for the bus... Whatever... So I'm seated at the first pair of seating on the left side by the back door (legroom purposes.... bus was an XD40 btw), and there was a BUMRUSH of people (mix of older dudes [likely coming from the hospital], high school-to-college aged young dudes, a couple young broads) that all entered through the back door (I lost count after 33 people)... While a whopping total of ONE person boarded at the front and paid his fare....

When the "rush" was all over, the b/o got out of his seat and stood looking towards the back of the bus for a good 15 seconds; didn't say a word - With a facial expression as if to say, seriously now?! Really?? I'm looking at him, he eventually looks at me specifically as I'm shaking my head & throwing my hands up from my lap to about shoulder level.... I'm thinking to myself, great, now he's going to take the bus OOS (I was prepared to hoof it over to catch the B43, because I waited about 20 minutes at WBP for that B46, and only saw 1 bus heading in the opposite direction along the ride, at Lorimer).....

Before the fact, I was the only person sitting towards the back.... When we finally pulled out though, every seat was obviously taken, I'd guess about 8-10 people standing (couldn't really tell exactly, with people hovering over each other), with some of the chicks sitting on dudes' lap... Look towards the middle & the front of the bus though? 11 available seats..... Bizarre all the way around.

Not that this matters, but I couldn't tell you where the lion's share of em got off though, because the last thing I remember before I dozed off, was the bus making the right turn onto Malcolm X.... Woke up as the bus passed that Rite aid over there Midwood st <> Rutland rd....

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On 12/28/2018 at 5:08 AM, B35 via Church said:

The MTA has a history of dicking around w/ the B2 & its service levels/span.... There's also a history surrounding the different online transit boards on whether it should be eliminated, combined/branched into the B100, or extended westward.... There is/was someone on FB that even wanted the B2 to run with the Q35 down to Rockaway Park.... I've been in enough discussions on & offline about the B2 & have came to the conclusion that the thing should, at minimum a] remain in existence, b] remain in Brooklyn 11182.gif, c] run no further west than Kings Hwy. on the Brighton line, d] left as a standalone route to be fused with nothing, and e] given at least 1 more BPH during the rush.... I've always gotten the sense that (more) people that reside along & around the B2 route b/w [Flatbush/Av S.] & [Ocean/Av R] would utilize the thing if the MTA wouldn't leave them with the scraps they call service..... I don't get the sense they don't want the service....

If we're to talk about extending its footprint, ehh, IDK, I suppose it would be to have it siphon riders from off the B3 on over to Bergen Beach (much like the B32's continually doing with the B62 up in Williamsburg).... I don't think the B2 should run into Mill Basin/Mill Island, whatever it's called nowadays, nor all the way to Bay Ridge.... Lord knows if I lived east of KP & needed the Brighton & to have the aforementioned come to pass, there's no way in f*** I would choose a route that crawls along Av. U over a route that travels via Av. R/S....

The more I thought about it, the more I don't really see an extended B2 westward doing much for the B9.... Not to say that there isn't a service gap b/w 60th & Bay Ridge Pkwy, however, I wouldn't address it with the B2...

 

On 12/28/2018 at 8:12 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I agree.  Everyone seems to feel the need to say oh it HAS to be extended. The route has been around for decades and I used it quite frequently back in the 90s when I lived in Southern Brooklyn. A friend of ours lived in Marine Park and I do remember it running not only frequently but it ran well in terms of it being reliable.

This may be beating a dead horse, but is there a reason why the B2 and B100 just twist and turn a block away from each other at all times? It was really annoying when I had to visit a friend in Marine Park, and I just missed a B100, and then just missed a B2 while walking the block over.

If one street is more reliable than the other just route both of them down the same street. It didn't seem like either path was particularly busy to the point where there should be two streets with okay bus service instead of one street with good bus service.

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13 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

 

This may be beating a dead horse, but is there a reason why the B2 and B100 just twist and turn a block away from each other at all times? It was really annoying when I had to visit a friend in Marine Park, and I just missed a B100, and then just missed a B2 while walking the block over.

If one street is more reliable than the other just route both of them down the same street. It didn't seem like either path was particularly busy to the point where there should be two streets with okay bus service instead of one street with good bus service.

B2 is a NYCT route, while the B100 was a former PBL route (Command) - quite sure that had something to do with it.... I mean, while I can't recall how much older, I do know the B2 came before the B100....

It's not a matter of reliability (as if to say, either route is bogged down with traffic), it's an issue of how each of those routes serves Marine Park (routing-wise).... While the B100 is more direct (as it has to go on to serve Mill Basin), the B2 is more feasible for more of the neighborhood's residents... It's evident with how both of those routes are used w/i Marine Park.... Having both of those routes take on the same routing within Marine Park would be a disservice (for its residents) IMO....

I'd go as far as to say the B2 has been steadily made worse by the MTA over the years as an attempt to get everyone down there into taking the B100.... How is it said on here, "blank check", "blank check" *shrugs*......

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3 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

This is exactly what I was concerned about after hearing about the bus in the Bronx that got stolen - Copycat criminals.

It's enough that there as many people stealing service in this city - Now MF-ers are going around stealing the actual goddamn bus....

Stupid shit.

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What I initially came in here to post was that, I got off a B46 about an hour ago... Rode it from WBP.... Anyway, when we got to Woodhull, there was a good-sized crowd waiting for the bus... Whatever... So I'm seated at the first pair of seating on the left side by the back door (legroom purposes.... bus was an XD40 btw), and there was a BUMRUSH of people (mix of older dudes [likely coming from the hospital], high school-to-college aged young dudes, a couple young broads) that all entered through the back door (I lost count after 33 people)... While a whopping total of ONE person boarded at the front and paid his fare....

When the "rush" was all over, the b/o got out of his seat and stood looking towards the back of the bus for a good 15 seconds; didn't say a word - With a facial expression as if to say, seriously now?! Really?? I'm looking at him, he eventually looks at me specifically as I'm shaking my head & throwing my hands up from my lap to about shoulder level.... I'm thinking to myself, great, now he's going to take the bus OOS (I was prepared to hoof it over to catch the B43, because I waited about 20 minutes at WBP for that B46, and only saw 1 bus heading in the opposite direction along the ride, at Lorimer).....

Before the fact, I was the only person sitting towards the back.... When we finally pulled out though, every seat was obviously taken, I'd guess about 8-10 people standing (couldn't really tell exactly, with people hovering over each other), with some of the chicks sitting on dudes' lap... Look towards the middle & the front of the bus though? 11 available seats..... Bizarre all the way around.

Not that this matters, but I couldn't tell you where the lion's share of em got off though, because the last thing I remember before I dozed off, was the bus making the right turn onto Malcolm X.... Woke up as the bus passed that Rite aid over there Midwood st <> Rutland rd....

This needs to stop. The goddam fare keeps going up because people don't pay their fare!!!!

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5 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

This needs to stop. The goddam fare keeps going up because people don't pay their fare!!!!

Had to laugh at this simply for the fact that it reminded me of that guy that ran for mayor a few years ago, "THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH" that guy lol.

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11 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

This needs to stop. The goddam fare keeps going up because people don't pay their fare!!!!

I agree. Whenever I take the B41 at Flatbush/Nostrand if I leave my college at around 3:30 PM, I see a crowd of students and some adults wait to enter at the back door, while me and other passengers wait at the front door. The result: the bus gets crowded and no seats available at he back because they were taken by farebeaters. This is totally insane.

Another case: the Avenue M (Q) station after 2:45 PM. I went to High School at Murrow there and what I have seen personally is that once the last class ends, there is a crowd of students making their way up the stairs and some of them ask their friends to open the emergency door at the turnstiles that lead directly to the Manhattan-bound Platform (if you are unfamiliar with the area, it’s the entrance right in front of the Mountain Fruit Store on Avenue M). They do this and enter, and this causes a large crowd to enter through the gate as well, causing the platform to get extremely overcrowded. This is despite them having student MetroCard provided by the school for them to use. I feel like what’s going on is that since police is not around on subways and buses, those students (who are 16-18 years old, the age I was around at the time I’ve went to high school) have freedom to skip going through the turnstiles and fareboxes without getting caught. Little do they know is that they may get caught if they keep doing it. Multiple people I knew have done it during the 4 years I’ve taken the train from there, even my girlfriend and her siblings and friends at times, and I’ve told them time after time in a nice way to refrain from doing so.

This behavior at the station however has continued with newer students following suit, which i have seen when visiting the area with one of my friends to pick up her sister. Seems like nothing has changed since I graduated.

Another possible example of possible farebeating is at Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn’s only Community College. On a February 2018 Thursday afternoon, I went to go pick up a friend there after his class ended. Shortly after meeting up, we returned to the bus stop to find a huge crowd of students waiting for the B1 (and this is despite Kingsborough being in a winter session schedule, which is usually not busy). Once that B1 bus pulled in and opened BOTH doors, all of the students (some of whom I’ve went to high school with and have seen farebeating) piled in through the front and back doors, with very few paying. I was one of those people who went through the back and not dipped my card. However, that was only because I did not want to risk separation from my friend if I have went to the front and paid, not because I didn’t feel like paying, which i wanted to do had the bus not been crowded.

Also on the subject of farebeating, there were some articles that came out a few weeks ago about how the farebeating is causing them millions of dollars in lost revenue. One article states that New Yorkers are emboldened to do so because the trains and buses are so unreliable. People don’t want to pay $2.75 for unreliable service. I wonder if that is the case and is the farebeating making service worse.

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36 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I agree. Whenever I take the B41 at Flatbush/Nostrand if I leave my college at around 3:30 PM, I see a crowd of students and some adults wait to enter at the back door, while me and other passengers wait at the front door. The result: the bus gets crowded and no seats available at he back because they were taken by farebeaters. This is totally insane.

Another case: the Avenue M (Q) station after 2:45 PM. I went to High School at Murrow there and what I have seen personally is that once the last class ends, there is a crowd of students making their way up the stairs and some of them ask their friends to open the emergency door at the turnstiles that lead directly to the Manhattan-bound Platform (if you are unfamiliar with the area, it’s the entrance right in front of the Mountain Fruit Store on Avenue M). They do this and enter, and this causes a large crowd to enter through the gate as well, causing the platform to get extremely overcrowded. This is despite them having student MetroCard provided by the school for them to use. I feel like what’s going on is that since police is not around on subways and buses, those students (who are 16-18 years old, the age I was around at the time I’ve went to high school) have freedom to skip going through the turnstiles and fareboxes without getting caught. Little do they know is that they may get caught if they keep doing it. Multiple people I knew have done it during the 4 years I’ve taken the train from there, even my girlfriend and her siblings and friends at times, and I’ve told them time after time in a nice way to refrain from doing so.

This behavior at the station however has continued with newer students following suit, which i have seen when visiting the area with one of my friends to pick up her sister. Seems like nothing has changed since I graduated.

Another possible example of possible farebeating is at Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn’s only Community College. On a February 2018 Thursday afternoon, I went to go pick up a friend there after his class ended. Shortly after meeting up, we returned to the bus stop to find a huge crowd of students waiting for the B1 (and this is despite Kingsborough being in a winter session schedule, which is usually not busy). Once that B1 bus pulled in and opened BOTH doors, all of the students (some of whom I’ve went to high school with and have seen farebeating) piled in through the front and back doors, with very few paying. I was one of those people who went through the back and not dipped my card. However, that was only because I did not want to risk separation from my friend if I have went to the front and paid, not because I didn’t feel like paying, which i wanted to do had the bus not been crowded.

Also on the subject of farebeating, there were some articles that came out a few weeks ago about how the farebeating is causing them millions of dollars in lost revenue. One article states that New Yorkers are emboldened to do so because the trains and buses are so unreliable. People don’t want to pay $2.75 for unreliable service. I wonder if that is the case and is the farebeating making service worse.

Sorry but what a BS excuse. You didn’t pay out of fear of being separated from your friend? Give me a break. The bus empties out once it gets to the subway. Ten minutes of separation certainly won’t kill you. There’s also that magic word called “excuse me” that seems to not exist anymore when wanting to move from one part of the bus to another.

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58 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I agree. Whenever I take the B41 at Flatbush/Nostrand if I leave my college at around 3:30 PM, I see a crowd of students and some adults wait to enter at the back door, while me and other passengers wait at the front door. The result: the bus gets crowded and no seats available at he back because they were taken by farebeaters. This is totally insane.

Another case: the Avenue M (Q) station after 2:45 PM. I went to High School at Murrow there and what I have seen personally is that once the last class ends, there is a crowd of students making their way up the stairs and some of them ask their friends to open the emergency door at the turnstiles that lead directly to the Manhattan-bound Platform (if you are unfamiliar with the area, it’s the entrance right in front of the Mountain Fruit Store on Avenue M). They do this and enter, and this causes a large crowd to enter through the gate as well, causing the platform to get extremely overcrowded. This is despite them having student MetroCard provided by the school for them to use. I feel like what’s going on is that since police is not around on subways and buses, those students (who are 16-18 years old, the age I was around at the time I’ve went to high school) have freedom to skip going through the turnstiles and fareboxes without getting caught. Little do they know is that they may get caught if they keep doing it. Multiple people I knew have done it during the 4 years I’ve taken the train from there, even my girlfriend and her siblings and friends at times, and I’ve told them time after time in a nice way to refrain from doing so.

This behavior at the station however has continued with newer students following suit, which i have seen when visiting the area with one of my friends to pick up her sister. Seems like nothing has changed since I graduated.

Another possible example of possible farebeating is at Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn’s only Community College. On a February 2018 Thursday afternoon, I went to go pick up a friend there after his class ended. Shortly after meeting up, we returned to the bus stop to find a huge crowd of students waiting for the B1 (and this is despite Kingsborough being in a winter session schedule, which is usually not busy). Once that B1 bus pulled in and opened BOTH doors, all of the students (some of whom I’ve went to high school with and have seen farebeating) piled in through the front and back doors, with very few paying. I was one of those people who went through the back and not dipped my card. However, that was only because I did not want to risk separation from my friend if I have went to the front and paid, not because I didn’t feel like paying, which i wanted to do had the bus not been crowded.

Also on the subject of farebeating, there were some articles that came out a few weeks ago about how the farebeating is causing them millions of dollars in lost revenue. One article states that New Yorkers are emboldened to do so because the trains and buses are so unreliable. People don’t want to pay $2.75 for unreliable service. I wonder if that is the case and is the farebeating making service worse.

Blatant hypocrisy.

You should have told yourself "in a nice way to refrain from doing so" when you hopped the back of that B1.

19 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Sorry but what a BS excuse. You didn’t pay out of fear of being separated from your friend? Give me a break. The bus empties out once it gets to the subway. Ten minutes of separation certainly won’t kill you. There’s also that magic word called “excuse me” that seems to not exist anymore when wanting to move from one part of the bus to another.

Beat me to it.

Peer pressure didn't keep me from swiping my student metro @ Brighton Beach... Separation though, give me a break.... Then again, more often than not, I rolled dolo (stayed to myself) anyway.....

IDK how many times over the course of those 4 years I spent at Grady where kids used to go through the emergency exit door WITH THE POLICE STANDING RIGHT THERE after school let-out hrs.... Even when that MF-er wasn't there, I always swiped... I'm getting this card "freely", so I may as well use the thing... That was always my attitude when I was given those student passes/metrocards during the school year...

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1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I agree. Whenever I take the B41 at Flatbush/Nostrand if I leave my college at around 3:30 PM, I see a crowd of students and some adults wait to enter at the back door, while me and other passengers wait at the front door. The result: the bus gets crowded and no seats available at he back because they were taken by farebeaters. This is totally insane.

Another case: the Avenue M (Q) station after 2:45 PM. I went to High School at Murrow there and what I have seen personally is that once the last class ends, there is a crowd of students making their way up the stairs and some of them ask their friends to open the emergency door at the turnstiles that lead directly to the Manhattan-bound Platform (if you are unfamiliar with the area, it’s the entrance right in front of the Mountain Fruit Store on Avenue M). They do this and enter, and this causes a large crowd to enter through the gate as well, causing the platform to get extremely overcrowded. This is despite them having student MetroCard provided by the school for them to use. I feel like what’s going on is that since police is not around on subways and buses, those students (who are 16-18 years old, the age I was around at the time I’ve went to high school) have freedom to skip going through the turnstiles and fareboxes without getting caught. Little do they know is that they may get caught if they keep doing it. Multiple people I knew have done it during the 4 years I’ve taken the train from there, even my girlfriend and her siblings and friends at times, and I’ve told them time after time in a nice way to refrain from doing so.

This behavior at the station however has continued with newer students following suit, which i have seen when visiting the area with one of my friends to pick up her sister. Seems like nothing has changed since I graduated.

Another possible example of possible farebeating is at Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn’s only Community College. On a February 2018 Thursday afternoon, I went to go pick up a friend there after his class ended. Shortly after meeting up, we returned to the bus stop to find a huge crowd of students waiting for the B1 (and this is despite Kingsborough being in a winter session schedule, which is usually not busy). Once that B1 bus pulled in and opened BOTH doors, all of the students (some of whom I’ve went to high school with and have seen farebeating) piled in through the front and back doors, with very few paying. I was one of those people who went through the back and not dipped my card. However, that was only because I did not want to risk separation from my friend if I have went to the front and paid, not because I didn’t feel like paying, which i wanted to do had the bus not been crowded.

Also on the subject of farebeating, there were some articles that came out a few weeks ago about how the farebeating is causing them millions of dollars in lost revenue. One article states that New Yorkers are emboldened to do so because the trains and buses are so unreliable. People don’t want to pay $2.75 for unreliable service. I wonder if that is the case and is the farebeating making service worse.

By farejumping, you’re helping with making the problem, not solving it. Shame. If you guys didn’t farejump, then the MTA would’ve been in better financial state. 

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1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

 

Another possible example of possible farebeating is at Kingsborough Community College, Brooklyn’s only Community College. On a February 2018 Thursday afternoon, I went to go pick up a friend there after his class ended. Shortly after meeting up, we returned to the bus stop to find a huge crowd of students waiting for the B1 (and this is despite Kingsborough being in a winter session schedule, which is usually not busy). Once that B1 bus pulled in and opened BOTH doors, all of the students (some of whom I’ve went to high school with and have seen farebeating) piled in through the front and back doors, with very few paying. I was one of those people who went through the back and not dipped my card. However, that was only because I did not want to risk separation from my friend if I have went to the front and paid, not because I didn’t feel like paying, which i wanted to do had the bus not been crowded.

Also on the subject of farebeating, there were some articles that came out a few weeks ago about how the farebeating is causing them millions of dollars in lost revenue. One article states that New Yorkers are emboldened to do so because the trains and buses are so unreliable. People don’t want to pay $2.75 for unreliable service. I wonder if that is the case and is the farebeating making service worse.

 

IMO you lost all credibility with this statement. If you were that worried about seperation maybe you should have arrainged to meet up somewhere. 

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46 minutes ago, Jdog14 said:

 

IMO you lost all credibility with this statement. If you were that worried about seperation maybe you should have arrainged to meet up somewhere. 

Or better yet, they both get on through the front and PAY. How’s that for a novel idea...

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What had me CTFU was the added emphasis with which dude told his chick & her siblings; "I told them time after time...."
(never mind the fact that I can't fathom that going over too well with the chick - regardless if ole girl is a complete square or has the disrespectful disposition of an entitled brat)

....and then goin hop the back of the bus because he didn't wanna get isolated from his peers..

Sans the farebeating, what ppl. do on the RR's is probably the best way to go about alleviating what he's using as an excuse... Multiple parties from the same general crowd will enter a packed train at some station in different cars (because they all won't be able to fit together in the same car), then they'll call (or text) each other whilst on the train (while it's in motion or whatever), then they'll commence meeting each other accordingly ("we're in car number ____") either when the train gets less crowded, or when they arrive at their destined station....

There isn't all the separation anxiety in the world that's going to keep me from doing something I want to do - especially something that takes as little effort as putting a card in a damn machine..... If that person would've left you without any hesitation, then you should question if that was a "friend" to begin with....

Cut the crap... Dude wanted to go through the back because *err'body else wuz doin it*....

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On 12/29/2018 at 11:22 AM, Future ENY OP said:

Bunch of bad ass little kids that ain’t got no business being out. The bus in question is 7676 out of East New York. This had to be along the B82 since this the bus is +selectbusservice. 

But honest to truth there needs to be a special lock so that unauthorized persons are not permitted to take a bus out for a joyride. 

My guess is that since the buses have GPS, the MTA figures they can just track buses the few times they get taken for joyrides. It doesn't seem like these buses are getting stolen and stripped for parts within an hour like with personal vehicles on the street. 

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