trainfan22 Posted February 20, 2019 Share #26126 Posted February 20, 2019 (edited) 5209 broke down on the B44 today, I found out on Twitter of all places lol. I hope it's something minor as I really wanted to ride that bus😞😞 Edited February 20, 2019 by trainfan22 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26127 Posted February 21, 2019 On 2/20/2019 at 7:35 AM, B35 via Church said: For perceptions of ridership, it won't matter.... They don't care about any of that when it comes to buses. As far as planning's concerned, well as far as service levels, I think the counters will have little to no effect.... The onus'll be on cutting local services regardless.... More SBS service system-wide is inevitable.... If anything, they may use it as a means to (further justify) getting rid of individual stops all over the place.... How about actual ridership vs paid ridership? I'm sure the B/O's don't hit F5 every time someone doesn't pay. Will that cause them to crack down on those routes possibly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26128 Posted February 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, N6 Limited said: How about actual ridership vs paid ridership? I'm sure the B/O's don't hit F5 every time someone doesn't pay. Will that cause them to crack down on those routes possibly? What makes you so sure that they don't? Most of them do hit F5 when people don't pay, even large amounts of people. They are told NOT to confront passengers that don't pay AND to hit the F5 button. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26129 Posted February 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, N6 Limited said: How about actual ridership vs paid ridership? I'm sure the B/O's don't hit F5 every time someone doesn't pay. Will that cause them to crack down on those routes possibly? What makes you so sure that they don't? Most of them do hit F5 when people don't pay, even large amounts of people. They are told NOT to confront passengers that don't pay AND to hit the F5 button. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil 57 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26130 Posted February 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: What makes you so sure that they don't? Most of them do hit F5 when people don't pay, even large amounts of people. They are told NOT to confront passengers that don't pay AND to hit the F5 button. I would have it when the B/O presses the F5 button, it takes a picture of the fare beater and the fare beater gets a ticket through the mail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26131 Posted February 21, 2019 Just now, Lil 57 said: I would have it when the B/O presses the F5 button, it takes a picture of the fare beater and the fare beater gets a ticket through the mail. Taking a picture of the fare beater only shows you who the person is, not what their name is. LOL What they should be doing (and what I suspect may happen) is they'll step up random inspections like they've done in the past. I didn't bring up fare beating in my meeting yesterday given my VERY long agenda, but I've made it clear that I am not at all happy with the ongoing "free-for-all" if you will (see that play with words and phrases? lol) that exists with the whole fare beating mess. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26132 Posted February 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Taking a picture of the fare beater only shows you who the person is, not what their name is. LOL What they should be doing (and what I suspect may happen) is they'll step up random inspections like they've done in the past. I didn't bring up fare beating in my meeting yesterday given my VERY long agenda, but I've made it clear that I am not at all happy with the ongoing "free-for-all" if you will (see that play with words and phrases? lol) that exists with the whole fare beating mess. Realistically it's hard to get proper id with a quick bus pic but not impossible. I do agree that this method is not going to be too effective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26133 Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Realistically it's hard to get proper id with a quick bus pic but not impossible. I do agree that this method is not going to be too effective. Not impossible, but what if the guy is homeless? I mean some of the farebeaters are homeless. Good luck mailing them a ticket... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26134 Posted February 21, 2019 Regarding fare beating-its a big problem, especially along routes that connect with schools. I was once on the M101 LTD, and not one, not two, not three, but SIXTEEN kids snuck in through the back door and I could hear the driver spamming F5...like this is why the fare is so high. Why should us paying customers have to suffer because of people who dont pay? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26135 Posted February 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Regarding fare beating-its a big problem, especially along routes that connect with schools. I was once on the M101 LTD, and not one, not two, not three, but SIXTEEN kids snuck in through the back door and I could hear the driver spamming F5...like this is why the fare is so high. Why should us paying customers have to suffer because of people who dont pay? People, especially the teens always want to justify fare evasion but honestly this adds up to the thousands of dollars in debt the MTA is in now. Something should be done soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil 57 Posted February 21, 2019 Share #26136 Posted February 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: People, especially the teens always want to justify fare evasion but honestly this adds up to the thousands of dollars in debt the MTA is in now. Something should be done soon. If students from a particular school aren't paying the fair, take away their MetroCards. I have a feeling that some students sell their MetroCards and just not pay the fare. I would also cut school trippers if it becomes a problem from that school. I just came from Montreal and everyone pays their fare over there. Subways and buses are also much cleaner over there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Express Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26137 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Edited February 22, 2019 by Bay Ridge Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Express Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26138 Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Regarding fare beating-its a big problem, especially along routes that connect with schools. I was once on the M101 LTD, and not one, not two, not three, but SIXTEEN kids snuck in through the back door and I could hear the driver spamming F5...like this is why the fare is so high. Why should us paying customers have to suffer because of people who dont pay? This is why students are given student metrocards... but once it's either summer or the weekend they decide it's ok to not pay the fare. Btw sorry for the double post but a glitch happened. Edited February 22, 2019 by Bay Ridge Express 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26139 Posted February 22, 2019 The MTA doesn't get reimbursed when students use a student metrocard, right? In that case, honestly, MTA is losing money whether or not a kid swipes the student card. I guess it helps with accurate ridership stats, but still. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil 57 Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26140 Posted February 22, 2019 23 minutes ago, QM1to6Ave said: The MTA doesn't get reimbursed when students use a student metrocard, right? In that case, honestly, MTA is losing money whether or not a kid swipes the student card. I guess it helps with accurate ridership stats, but still. Doesn't the schools pay for the MetroCards? I remember losing my MetroCard in freshman year and the lady who was in charge of the MetroCards said that they are worth $1200. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26141 Posted February 22, 2019 7 hours ago, QM1to6Ave said: The MTA doesn't get reimbursed when students use a student metrocard, right? In that case, honestly, MTA is losing money whether or not a kid swipes the student card. I guess it helps with accurate ridership stats, but still. 7 hours ago, Lil 57 said: Doesn't the schools pay for the MetroCards? I remember losing my MetroCard in freshman year and the lady who was in charge of the MetroCards said that they are worth $1200. The eats the cost of the Metrocards. I believe they also eat the cost of providing the service too (trippers). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26142 Posted February 22, 2019 @Lil 57 The service costs the millions when you take the entire school system and ALL of the kids that need Metrocards for the bus or the subway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil 57 Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26143 Posted February 22, 2019 56 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: @Lil 57 The service costs the millions when you take the entire school system and ALL of the kids that need Metrocards for the bus or the subway. If students aren't using them, take them away from them. The majority of students I see that get on the bus in SI just walk past the bus driver. If there is a way to track usage for each student, that can be used to determine who gets a MetroCard for the next term. Some kids drive/have their parents drive them to school and barely use any from of public transportation. If the MetroCard usage rate goes under a certain threshold for a student, take it away from them. I also propose eliminating half-fare MetroCards. No one really uses them. Who's going to want to carry a bunch of loose change to use the bus to/from school everyday. Those students either use a regular MetroCard or simply don't pay the fare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Express Posted February 22, 2019 Share #26144 Posted February 22, 2019 40 minutes ago, Lil 57 said: I also propose eliminating half-fare MetroCards. No one really uses them. Who's going to want to carry a bunch of loose change to use the bus to/from school everyday. Those students either use a regular MetroCard or simply don't pay the fare. I can't say I agree with your other points, but yes half-fare metrocards are DUMB, and so are bus-only cards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 23, 2019 Share #26145 Posted February 23, 2019 Yesterday I seen an C40 on the B35, you don't see that too often, nice blast from the past! Whenever a 40FT runs on the B35 these days its usally an XN40, even right before the artics came the 35 was mostly XN40 for whatever reason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armandito Posted February 24, 2019 Share #26146 Posted February 24, 2019 On 2/22/2019 at 11:01 AM, Bay Ridge Express said: I can't say I agree with your other points, but yes half-fare metrocards are DUMB, and so are bus-only cards The way those half-fare MetroCards work is to discourage unnecessary overcrowding of buses caused by students who live close to school but are too lazy to walk home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestFarms36 Posted February 24, 2019 Share #26147 Posted February 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, lara8710 said: The way those half-fare MetroCards work is to discourage unnecessary overcrowding of buses caused by students who live close to school but are too lazy to walk home. It may have been a good intention back then, but even Bus Operators wave them on when a Student hops in with a Half Fare... Especially if you're best option is a 1 stop ride on the Subway... At this point Bus Only, and Half Fare MetroCards should be eliminated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Ridge Express Posted February 24, 2019 Share #26148 Posted February 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, WestFarms36 said: It may have been a good intention back then, but even Bus Operators wave them on when a Student hops in with a Half Fare... Especially if you're best option is a 1 stop ride on the Subway... At this point Bus Only, and Half Fare MetroCards should be eliminated. With OMNY rolling out, it will be interesting to see how student metrocards will be applied onto it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestFarms36 Posted February 24, 2019 Share #26149 Posted February 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said: With OMNY rolling out, it will be interesting to see how student metrocards will be applied onto it... I feel that no matter what distance you live in, students should have access to free transportation. There should be no reason that in 2019 a student isn't able to get to their school just because of their inability to pay a half fare, or because their family has economical struggles, or inclement weather outside. If most students have a Full Fare, then Half fare shouldn't be an option. In places like D.C. Students ride free, regardless of travel distance, and regardless of time. With the new fare payment system making its debut, it's about time that the Revises their student transportation policy, and re adjust their policies to include all students with free transportation. I know that distance is a bullshit excuse, because there are students who live less than a mile away from school and they are given Full Fare's for economical, or other reasons which just simply makes it unfair for others. Another thing is that people need to shut the f*ck up about students taking public transportation, it is none of their business to even instigate that, and we are no lesser than them in order for us to be chewed by some grown ass hypocrite who probably is stuck in a 9-5 job being paid less than $15 an hour. Public Transportation is PUBLIC. It is a system where anyone is entitled to use it regardless of age, color, race, or sex. I absolutely have no problem with students riding on buses and trains trying to get to an after-school, library, their home, a ball game, the park, or etc. It's their right as citizens of the City of New York to utilize the City's resources to their benefit. I am tired of seeing these people proselytize themselves as more than students just because they get a paycheck. I know some students can be @$$holes when on the bus, but it's life, nothing's perfect. Just as adults have a right to ride public transportation, so do students, because Public Transportation is in place to benefit everyone, not just a certain class of people, just because they want to be self centered and act like breadwinners. This is one big societal problem, and it is none of their business to be concerned over a Student's choice of travel. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trife86 Posted February 24, 2019 Share #26150 Posted February 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, WestFarms36 said: it is none of their business to even instigate that, and we are no lesser than them in order for us to be chewed by some grown ass hypocrite who probably is stuck in a 9-5 job being paid less than $15 an hour. Public Transportation is PUBLIC. It is a system where anyone is entitled to use it regardless of age, color, race, or sex. If you didn't know there is a $15 minimum wage now, no one in NYC is making less. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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