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40 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

I also propose eliminating half-fare MetroCards. No one really uses them. Who's going to want to carry a bunch of loose change to use the bus to/from school everyday. Those students either use a regular MetroCard or simply don't pay the fare.

I can't say I agree with your other points, but yes half-fare metrocards are DUMB, and so are bus-only cards

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Yesterday I seen an C40 on the B35, you don't see that too often, nice blast from the past!

 

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Whenever a 40FT runs on the B35 these days its usally an XN40, even right before the artics came the 35 was mostly XN40 for whatever reason.

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On 2/22/2019 at 11:01 AM, Bay Ridge Express said:

I can't say I agree with your other points, but yes half-fare metrocards are DUMB, and so are bus-only cards

The way those half-fare MetroCards work is to discourage unnecessary overcrowding of buses caused by students who live close to school but are too lazy to walk home.

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12 minutes ago, lara8710 said:

The way those half-fare MetroCards work is to discourage unnecessary overcrowding of buses caused by students who live close to school but are too lazy to walk home.

It may have been a good intention back then, but even Bus Operators wave them on when a Student hops in with a Half Fare... Especially if you're best option is a 1 stop ride on the Subway... At this point Bus Only, and Half Fare MetroCards should be eliminated.

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6 minutes ago, WestFarms36 said:

It may have been a good intention back then, but even Bus Operators wave them on when a Student hops in with a Half Fare... Especially if you're best option is a 1 stop ride on the Subway... At this point Bus Only, and Half Fare MetroCards should be eliminated.

With OMNY rolling out, it will be interesting to see how student metrocards will be applied onto it...

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13 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

With OMNY rolling out, it will be interesting to see how student metrocards will be applied onto it...

I feel that no matter what distance you live in, students should have access to free transportation. There should be no reason that in 2019 a student isn't able to get to their school just because of their inability to pay a half fare, or because their family has economical struggles, or inclement weather outside. If most students have a Full Fare, then Half fare shouldn't be an option. In places like D.C. Students ride free, regardless of travel distance, and regardless of time. With the new fare payment system making its debut, it's about time that the (MTA) Revises their student transportation policy, and re adjust their policies to include all students with free transportation. I know that distance is a bullshit excuse, because there are students who live less than a mile away from school and they are given Full Fare's for economical, or other reasons which just simply makes it unfair for others. Another thing is that people need to shut the f*ck up about students taking public transportation, it is none of their business to even instigate that, and we are no lesser than them in order for us to be chewed by some grown ass hypocrite who probably is stuck in a 9-5 job being paid less than $15 an hour. Public Transportation is PUBLIC. It is a system where anyone is entitled to use it regardless of age, color, race, or sex. I absolutely have no problem with students riding on buses and trains trying to get to an after-school, library, their home, a ball game, the park, or etc. It's their right as citizens of the City of New York to utilize the City's resources to their benefit. I am tired of seeing these people proselytize themselves as more than students just because they get a paycheck. I know some students can be @$$holes when on the bus, but it's life, nothing's perfect. Just as adults have a right to ride public transportation, so do students, because Public Transportation is in place to benefit everyone, not just a certain class of people, just because they want to be self centered and act like breadwinners. This is one big societal problem, and it is none of their business to be concerned over a Student's choice of travel.

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41 minutes ago, WestFarms36 said:

 it is none of their business to even instigate that, and we are no lesser than them in order for us to be chewed by some grown ass hypocrite who probably is stuck in a 9-5 job being paid less than $15 an hour. Public Transportation is PUBLIC. It is a system where anyone is entitled to use it regardless of age, color, race, or sex. 

If you didn't know there is a $15 minimum wage now, no one in NYC is making less.

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7 hours ago, trife86 said:

If you didn't know there is a $15 minimum wage now, no one in NYC is making less.

I am aware, but for employers who have less than 10 employees, they don't have to follow by the $15 minimum wage.

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1 hour ago, WestFarms36 said:

I am aware, but for employers who have less than 10 employees, they don't have to follow by the $15 minimum wage.

It’s still not much less though. A couple of bucks is the difference.

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19 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

Yesterday I seen an C40 on the B35, you don't see that too often, nice blast from the past!

 

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Whenever a 40FT runs on the B35 these days its usally an XN40, even right before the artics came the 35 was mostly XN40 for whatever reason.

Very nice photo.

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Why is the Q19 headway on Sunday so bad? It should run every 12 minutes so residents can take it to the M60.

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34 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why is the Q19 headway on Sunday so bad? It should run every 12 minutes so residents can take it to the M60.

The Q19 runs terrible regardless. The headways are terrible but quite a lot of people use it. Couple that with the drivers playing games and it’s just a shit show. I saw a driver sitting at the terminal for 10+ minutes after he finished his run a little late. He was supposed to leave at 1:30 but left at like 1:45 and the bus following him was just empty and trailing 5 mins behind.

 

 

On another note, 6398 is hopping on the Kosciuszko Brdge, anyone know where it’s going?

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5 minutes ago, danielhg121 said:

The Q19 runs terrible regardless. The headways are terrible but quite a lot of people use it. Couple that with the drivers playing games and it’s just a shit show. I saw a driver sitting at the terminal for 10+ minutes after he finished his run a little late. He was supposed to leave at 1:30 but left at like 1:45 and the bus following him was just empty and trailing 5 mins behind.

 

 

On another note, 6398 is hopping on the Kosciuszko Brdge, anyone know where it’s going?

6398 is probably working the L train shuttle.

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6365 has the same setup in the rear as the 6800s and NG hybrids... Was this bus always set up like this?

 

Glad I finally got to ride 6365, hopefully AMS Depot is in its future!

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8 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

The Q19 runs terrible regardless. The headways are terrible but quite a lot of people use it. Couple that with the drivers playing games and it’s just a shit show. I saw a driver sitting at the terminal for 10+ minutes after he finished his run a little late. He was supposed to leave at 1:30 but left at like 1:45 and the bus following him was just empty and trailing 5 mins behind.

 

 

On another note, 6398 is hopping on the Kosciuszko Brdge, anyone know where it’s going?

It's insane. It's crucial to serving local stops along Astoria Blvd. If they dont want to do that, then make the M60 stop at more stops along Astoria Bl.

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8 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

6365 has the same setup in the rear as the 6800s and NG hybrids... Was this bus always set up like this?

 

Glad I finally got to ride 6365, hopefully AMS Depot is in its future!

6365 also 6371 have been like that since it was based out of Mother Clara Hale Depot I remember riding them on the bx33 and was amazed when I noticed how different it looks from the other 6300s and 6400s

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As of late. Haven’t really seen 6117, 19, 23 and 25 on SBS duty on the B44. I’m only guessing that they are being used for training purposes. Hopefully those buses are being utilized for Utica Avenue service. 

Also, noticed that FB started putting ads on the 4 SBS buses that came from quill. However, no rear ads. 

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On 2/23/2019 at 7:27 PM, Bay Ridge Express said:

With OMNY rolling out, it will be interesting to see how student metrocards will be applied onto it...

Boston has had student tap cards for years now (my cousin has one) and it’s basically the same concept as NYC, where the schools distribute it and the city pays the transit agency for it. Only differences are that the Boston pass can be used on the weekends and that you can use it in zone 1 (city zone) on their commuter rail.

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On 2/21/2019 at 10:36 PM, Lil 57 said:

Doesn't the schools pay for the MetroCards? I remember losing my MetroCard in freshman year and the lady who was in charge of the MetroCards said that they are worth $1200.

Back in 2010 the city paid a flat rate of $45 million for the entire Student MetroCard program regardless of the number of swipes.

On 2/22/2019 at 5:46 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

The (MTA) eats the cost of the Metrocards. I believe they also eat the cost of providing the service too (trippers). 

See above. And yes that is true about the trippers.

On 2/22/2019 at 10:18 AM, Lil 57 said:

If students aren't using them, take them away from them. The majority of students I see that get on the bus in SI just walk past the bus driver. If there is a way to track usage for each student, that can be used to determine who gets a MetroCard for the next term. Some kids drive/have their parents drive them to school and barely use any from of public transportation. If the MetroCard usage rate goes under a certain threshold for a student, take it away from them. I also propose eliminating half-fare MetroCards. No one really uses them. Who's going to want to carry a bunch of loose change to use the bus to/from school everyday. Those students either use a regular MetroCard or simply don't pay the fare.

If a student gets driven I don't see the harm in giving them a MetroCard in case they need it on a particular day.

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8 minutes ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

Back in 2010 the city paid a flat rate of $45 million for the entire Student MetroCard program regardless of the number of swipes.

See above. And yes that is true about the trippers.

So in other words, whatever overage the (MTA) has to pay, no?

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1 hour ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

So in other words, whatever overage the (MTA) has to pay, no?

Correct. And there's a huge overage. I think it's something like 500,000 students on the system every weekday (so IIRC the city was basically paying about $0.33 per trip and telling the MTA to eat the rest of the cost)

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Base fare should go up to $3, express should go down to $6, get rid of the bonuses, increase weekly limited for both, keep monthly the same, make a monthly for the express, end of debate. 

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1 hour ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Base fare should go up to $3, express should go down to $6, get rid of the bonuses, increase weekly limited for both, keep monthly the same, make a monthly for the express, end of debate. 

I think that the express buses should have peak and off-peak fares. i.e. Peak is $7 while off-peak is $5.50. It might be easier to do this on the SI express routes because they have different codes for peak and off-peak routes.

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10 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

As of late. Haven’t really seen 6117, 19, 23 and 25 on SBS duty on the B44. I’m only guessing that they are being used for training purposes. Hopefully those buses are being utilized for Utica Avenue service. 

Also, noticed that FB started putting ads on the 4 SBS buses that came from quill. However, no rear ads. 

They are all out of service at the moment. However I have not looked into why. 

On another note the fleet deployment plans have changed yet again. It looks like FB will get a mix of new buses as well as some from Quill. B46+ articulation is subject to hold. Flatbush totals have in fact been reduced from 57 to 36 new buses. 

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28 minutes ago, East New York said:

They are all out of service at the moment. However I have not looked into why. 

On another note the fleet deployment plans have changed yet again. It looks like FB will get a mix of new buses as well as some from Quill. B46+ articulation is subject to hold. Flatbush totals have in fact been reduced from 57 to 36 new buses. 

One must ask this question to why FB is getting a mixture of new and existing fleet from quill. Sometimes I really wish that the DOB could get it right and just keep everything the way it is. In a way I understand why they are doing this. However, FB is getting the shorthand of the stick with this order. 

Honestly, I don’t think the (MTA) wants to go thru with the 46+ articulation if they keep chopping away with the order.  In addition to all of this the whole XD40 order is already accounted for and if there wasn’t a big fiasco with West Farms definitely FB would of saw additional XD40’s along with 7615-7662. 

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