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16 minutes ago, East New York said:

They are all out of service at the moment. However I have not looked into why. 

On another note the fleet deployment plans have changed yet again. It looks like FB will get a mix of new buses as well as some from Quill. B46+ articulation is subject to hold. Flatbush totals have in fact been reduced from 57 to 36 new buses. 

One must ask this question to why FB is getting a mixture of new and existing fleet from quill. Sometimes I really wish that the DOB could get it right and just keep everything the way it is. In a way I understand why they are doing this. However, FB is getting the shorthand of the stick with this order. 

Honestly, I don’t think the (MTA) wants to go thru with the 46+ articulation if they keep chopping away with the order.  In addition to all of this the whole XD40 order is already accounted for and if there wasn’t a big fiasco with West Farms definitely FB would of saw additional XD40’s along with 7615-7662. 

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Question is why in the world is quill getting more buses than they actually need? If the MTA is doing some short of L train shuttle for April I could understand why but at this point I am confused. 

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14 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

Question is why in the world is quill getting more buses than they actually need? If the MTA is doing some short of L train shuttle for April I could understand why but at this point I am confused. 

I feel those XD60s are getting pushed out of SBS duty, idk about the M14 LFSAs. 

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18 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

One must ask this question to why FB is getting a mixture of new and existing fleet from quill. Sometimes I really wish that the DOB could get it right and just keep everything the way it is. In a way I understand why they are doing this. However, FB is getting the shorthand of the stick with this order. 

Honestly, I don’t think the (MTA) wants to go thru with the 46+ articulation if they keep chopping away with the order.  In addition to all of this the whole XD40 order is already accounted for and if there wasn’t a big fiasco with West Farms definitely FB would of saw additional XD40’s along with 7615-7662. 

Right I mean idc if Flatbush doesn't get extra artics for the B46 sbs, what's gonna piss me off is if they end up having 2017 and 2019 models...

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16 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

Question is why in the world is quill getting more buses than they actually need? If the MTA is doing some short of L train shuttle for April I could understand why but at this point I am confused. 

They've already begun pushing buses out, 3 XD60s have left Quill for Casey Stengel. The current XD60s were never meant to be at Quill from the get-go.

2 minutes ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Right I mean idc if Flatbush doesn't get extra artics for the B46 sbs, what's gonna piss me off is if they end up having 2017 and 2019 models...

But they're practically the same thing though lmao.

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1 minute ago, Cait Sith said:

They've already begun pushing buses out, 3 XD60s have left Quill for Casey Stengel. The current XD60s were never meant to be at Quill from the get-go.

 

That I know. But what i'm trying to get at is to why do they even need all those artics in the first place? I know they have the most sbs routes and soon to be completely sbs artic routes in future but they're already in the process of getting new LSFAs for the M14 and 15 XE60s in future. So technically they will have well over 110 artics for that depot alone. 

So that leaves me to speculate there might be some sort of supplement shuttle for the L train in April

Buses for the M96 sbs (if it will be transfered to quill)

Or they're giving Quill special treatment for no reason. 

 

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40 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

One must ask this question to why FB is getting a mixture of new and existing fleet from quill. Sometimes I really wish that the DOB could get it right and just keep everything the way it is. In a way I understand why they are doing this. However, FB is getting the shorthand of the stick with this order. 

Honestly, I don’t think the (MTA) wants to go thru with the 46+ articulation if they keep chopping away with the order.  In addition to all of this the whole XD40 order is already accounted for and if there wasn’t a big fiasco with West Farms definitely FB would of saw additional XD40’s along with 7615-7662

This is driving me bonkers. Don’t mean to ask, but I wonder what they would have against Flatbush? I’m just asking.

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I'm happy about these happenings in regards to Flatbush bus assignments. With the B46 artics being on hold that means all the 40ft SBS buses must stay on the 46 and Flatbush will have a large amount of RTS for a little bit longer.

 

I think the LFS order will indirectly kill off RTS in the masses from FLA by bumping hybrids there from SI or the BX. 

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3 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

This is driving me bonkers. Don’t mean to ask, but I wonder what they would have against Flatbush? I’m just asking.

There is nothing against Flatbush or anything, right now its the fleet is being distributed by need, and the OG CNG's at WF have massively retired causing XD40's to end up at WF. It shouldn't be bad, noting on how most of those buses will soon end up in their respective depot's soon enough, it just takes time.

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5 hours ago, WestFarms36 said:

There is nothing against Flatbush or anything, right now its the fleet is being distributed by need, and the OG CNG's at WF have massively retired causing XD40's to end up at WF. It shouldn't be bad, noting on how most of those buses will soon end up in their respective depot's soon enough, it just takes time.

Using this, I’m guessing the reason Quill needs buses from FB is for service coverage. Given that all the options orders for NYCT and bus will arrive, those XD60s from Quill will have to start moving out as well. As this would include the local units, the loss of those buses would create a 5-6 bus shortage in the fleet, and as a Manhattan Division Depot, this is something they can’t afford to happen. As the replacement XE60s won’t arrive until September and the M35 is now at Quill, driving fleet requirements up from 40 LFSAs, it would be desirable for Quill to get a piece of that XD60 order in the local scheme until the XE60s arrive. At that point, the XD60s will be unwrapped finally make their way back to FB. It all adds up now.

Thats is how I see it.

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8 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Using this, I’m guessing the reason Quill needs buses from FB is for service coverage. Given that all the options orders for NYCT and bus will arrive, those XD60s from Quill will have to start moving out as well. As this would include the local units, the loss of those buses would create a 5-6 bus shortage in the fleet, and as a Manhattan Division Depot, this is something they can’t afford to happen. As the replacement XE60s won’t arrive until September and the M35 is now at Quill, driving fleet requirements up from 40 LFSAs, it would be desirable for Quill to get a piece of that XD60 order in the local scheme until the XE60s arrive. At that point, the XD60s will be unwrapped finally make their way back to FB. It all adds up now.

Thats is how I see it.

I don’t get how Quill needs service coverage when when they could have just kept the XD60s they had until whenever. I mean this really doesn’t make no mind of sense. Everyone keeps forgetting the M14 sbs is back on the drawing board and those new LFSAs they’re getting is going to be for them and also with XE60S. So again this just doesn’t make any sort of sense. The M35 I heard only used 3 buses so in what way is 24 XD60s needed? Then on top of that if they wanted to push out the Older Lfsa to retire the last D60s the buses from Hale and FB could have don’t that already. So at this point nothing makes sense unless the mta is going to do something with an unplanned sbs route or just supplement bus service for late night L train shuttle. 

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9 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

I'm happy about these happenings in regards to Flatbush bus assignments. With the B46 artics being on hold that means all the 40ft SBS buses must stay on the 46 and Flatbush will have a large amount of RTS for a little bit longer.

 

I think the LFS order will indirectly kill off RTS in the masses from FLA by bumping hybrids there from SI or the BX. 

That’s the same thing I say. I think Flatbush and Manhattanville will absorb the hybrids from Staten Island and The Bronx. However, I believe the 40 ft LFSA order is on hold. So those hybrids will be staying in their respective divisions for a bit longer. 

6 hours ago, WestFarms36 said:

There is nothing against Flatbush or anything, right now its the fleet is being distributed by need, and the OG CNG's at WF have massively retired causing XD40's to end up at WF. It shouldn't be bad, noting on how most of those buses will soon end up in their respective depot's soon enough, it just takes time.

Here’s the big question is how soon will those XD40’s return back to their respective depots. The XD40 order as I see it could wrap up between September to December 2019 or earlier if these deliveries are coming in a rapid rate. This could include the XD60 option order. 

Hopefully if one of the mods can answer this. Why was the XDE60 order scrapped and is there a possibility in the next procurement along with the electric fleet that the TA is introducing to include the XDE60 artic. 

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14 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

I don’t get how Quill needs service coverage when when they could have just kept the XD60s they had until whenever. I mean this really doesn’t make no mind of sense. Everyone keeps forgetting the M14 sbs is back on the drawing board and those new LFSAs they’re getting is going to be for them and also with XE60S. So again this just doesn’t make any sort of sense. The M35 I heard only used 3 buses so in what way is 24 XD60s needed? Then on top of that if they wanted to push out the Older Lfsa to retire the last D60s the buses from Hale and FB could have don’t that already. So at this point nothing makes sense unless the mta is going to do something with an unplanned sbs route or just supplement bus service for late night L train shuttle. 

When the M35 was out of Hale, it has 5 buses assigned to it, plus another 2 buses rotated from Tuskegee Airmen Depot. That service requirement has not changed with the move of the route to Quill, except that they are no longer doing the fleet rotation with OH. The M14 meanwhile uses around 40-42 buses. Having 20-24 more buses in local artic service in place of the oddball local XD60s, which would be leaving real soon, would mean more buses to cover both routes without cutting into the spare factor.

Also, they could be using the buses for some (L) related additional M14 service they will provide, like you said. Before the plans got changed, Quill was to temporarily divert a whopping 47 XD60s from FB for the (L) shuttle. all in place of the 15 XE60s, which would arrive later in the year. By that time, the 47 buses would leave for FB. I still see them diverting buses from FB for the (L), but it won't be a lot compared to before. The 24 buses would amount to 15 for stand ins for the XE60s, and 9 for the (L) buses.

And yes, I do know that the M14 SBS is back on the drawing board, but it will be a while before implementation. This should give them enough time to place another order for electric artics, so that way, the M14 SBS can be operated with cleaner, all-electric buses for crosstown service to jumpstart our transition to 100% electric ops. 14th Street would be the perfect corridor for electric operations.

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The Bx12 SBS is channeling its inner QBx1 today. The buses seem to be running Inwood-Pelham Bay-Bay Plaza-Pelham Bay-Bay Plaza-Pelham Bay-Inwood.

I guess since they make the reliefs at Pelham Bay it makes a little bit of sense (it keeps the buses moving  and the B/O’s still get their breaks) but I need to see more of this little experiment before I pass judgment on it.

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On the former 7700 units that were Orion VII CNGs, can the tracker be removed on the old unit and then placed in the newer unit or it's a new GPS installed on the unit?
(Ex: 7717 VII CNG to XD-40)

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7 minutes ago, Calvin said:

On the former 7700 units that were Orion VII CNGs, can the tracker be removed on the old unit and then placed in the newer unit or it's a new GPS installed on the unit?
(Ex: 7717 VII CNG to XD-40)

A new GPS Tracking unit comes with the bus. All wiring, software, and other equipment required is new. The only old thing that rotates around is the Farebox.

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Horrible decision: https://www.silive.com/news/2019/02/staten-island-express-bus-routes-major-changes-coming-to-sim23-sim24.html?fbclid=IwAR3qr4O0Fh-WW-wzIaFEz9UiQw_BdQi9U95MiZPAbbTkQYnjynTP2DQvDNY

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14 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

When the M35 was out of Hale, it has 5 buses assigned to it, plus another 2 buses rotated from Tuskegee Airmen Depot. That service requirement has not changed with the move of the route to Quill, except that they are no longer doing the fleet rotation with OH. The M14 meanwhile uses around 40-42 buses. Having 20-24 more buses in local artic service in place of the oddball local XD60s, which would be leaving real soon, would mean more buses to cover both routes without cutting into the spare factor.

Also, they could be using the buses for some (L) related additional M14 service they will provide, like you said. Before the plans got changed, Quill was to temporarily divert a whopping 47 XD60s from FB for the (L) shuttle. all in place of the 15 XE60s, which would arrive later in the year. By that time, the 47 buses would leave for FB. I still see them diverting buses from FB for the (L), but it won't be a lot compared to before. The 24 buses would amount to 15 for stand ins for the XE60s, and 9 for the (L) buses.

And yes, I do know that the M14 SBS is back on the drawing board, but it will be a while before implementation. This should give them enough time to place another order for electric artics, so that way, the M14 SBS can be operated with cleaner, all-electric buses for crosstown service to jumpstart our transition to 100% electric ops. 14th Street would be the perfect corridor for electric operations.

That is wrong.

When the M35 was out of Hale, the line used both artics and hybrids, there was no number of buses specficially assigned to it. The buses that were in rotation with Tuskegee Airmen Depot was the local LFS Artics, as those buses were extras for both depots, as well as West Farms in the AM. The M35 during the rush hour uses up to three buses, so the service requirement for that line is not major enough to warrant extra buses, as you can clearly tell, Quill got zero buses when the line moved there.

Also, the M14 does not use all 42 buses.....at most during the rush hour, the lines use up to 35 at most in total, the totals never go over 40.

As for the rest of your essay, you might want to stop overthinking things.

 

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1 hour ago, trainfan22 said:

Finally got to ride 4970 today, it seems like it's always on the B42 but I always just miss it.

What's special about 4970?

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49 minutes ago, OIG119 said:

What's special about 4970?

It's one of the ENY originals, I hardly ever get those these days.. well the ones numbered in the upper 4900s at least, I usually get 5000s or the lower 4900s assigned to ENY.

 

 

Speaking of RTS, I rode one out of every Depot that has them today except for MJQ.. I plan to ride an MJQ RTS today as well once I'm able to make it to the city. Since the RTS fleet is on borrowed time, I always wanted to do an fan trip like this. So far today I been on ENY/UP/FLA RTS's and right now JAM..

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We gotta get these on our SBS lines pronto.

*if it has rubber wheels and no tracks and carries passengers it’s a bus, despite what it says in the video.

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Does anyone know what's going on with artic operations tonight? There are a decent amount of 40 footer subs are out

Bx9: 4330, 8380

Bx12: 4067, 4094

Bx19: 7548, 7737

Bx22: 4093

Bx40: 4086, 4112

Bx41: 4533

M14A: 3802, 6732

M14D: 3821

M60 SBS: 4118

M79 SBS: 3913

M86 SBS: 3822

M15: 3833, 3922, 3927, 6775

M101: 3900, 3923, 3931

M102: 3925, 3929

M103: 3910, 6763

Q53 SBS: 3615, 7443

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3 minutes ago, Orion6025 said:

Does anyone know what's going on with artic operations tonight? There are a decent amount of 40 footer subs are out

Bx9: 4330, 8380

Bx12: 4067, 4094

Bx19: 7548, 7737

Bx22: 4093

Bx40: 4086, 4112

Bx41: 4533

M14A: 3802, 6732

M14D: 3821

M60 SBS: 4118

M79 SBS: 3913

M86 SBS: 3822

M15: 3833, 3922, 3927, 6775

M101: 3900, 3923, 3931

M102: 3925, 3929

M103: 3910, 6763

Q53 SBS: 3615, 7443

Pending snowstorm

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5 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

Does anyone know what's going on with artic operations tonight? There are a decent amount of 40 footer subs are out

Bx9: 4330, 8380

Bx12: 4067, 4094

Bx19: 7548, 7737

Bx22: 4093

Bx40: 4086, 4112

Bx41: 4533

M14A: 3802, 6732

M14D: 3821

M60 SBS: 4118

M79 SBS: 3913

M86 SBS: 3822

M15: 3833, 3922, 3927, 6775

M101: 3900, 3923, 3931

M102: 3925, 3929

M103: 3910, 6763

Q53 SBS: 3615, 7443

The MTA is probably adding chains to the articulated buses due to the supposedly inclement weather or they could have removed them to avoid any accidents (slips & slides) 

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