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I've heard vague rumors that the M12 might be for the chop. Has anyone here heard such rumblings?

I find it hard to believe, since it's a foregone conclusion the ridership will grow as more Hudson Yards rental units are occupied. If anything, extending the operating hours to standard hours, and increasing runs seem more likely to me as time goes by. Well, I suppose the 11th Ave tunnel traffic is a nightmare. I have met folks who thought the route didn't exist due to runs stuck in traffic, but I blame that more on them having four buses maximum on the road at any one time.

Also, heard one M42 driver claim odd proposals were in the works for that route, such as driverless bus testing and a dedicated lane. Madness. Everyone I've ever spoken to claim they can't even have artics on that route forget anything more. Are there any M42 developments coming, or is all that pure nonsense as well?

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I've heard the driverless bus bit being referenced (the 3 MTA workers that were talking amongst themselves on a bus I was on, brought it up in conversation; although they never mentioned a specific route).... That was about a year or so ago though......

The possible M12 axing I haven't heard about.....

 

18 hours ago, OIG119 said:

What's special about 4970?

Lol.... I gave up asking questions like that on here....

I've always found it amazing the way some people can remember a quirk/fact about a particular/singular bus!

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2 hours ago, Radioguy said:

I've heard vague rumors that the M12 might be for the chop. Has anyone here heard such rumblings?

 

The M12 has a weird routing system that doesn’t allow for the ridership to grow within the immediate Hudson Yards neighborhood. 

However, one has pointed an extension of hours could help the route or possibly an extension to Battery Park City could help the route. The Abington Square terminal seems a bit weird to me. (I work in that area now) M11, M14 both serving those areas. 

Besides, was the M12 route asked by the community board or a (MTA) newly established route. 

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2 hours ago, Radioguy said:

I've heard vague rumors that the M12 might be for the chop. Has anyone here heard such rumblings?

I wouldn't be surprised... I haven't rode it that much but every time i do, it's carrying air... The horrible traffic around Javits and the Intrepid sh!t all over run time. It doesn't help the driver changes outside Quill sometimes can take a while. That said, it is helpful as a far west side 57th Street shuttle to the Columbus Circle and nearby subway stops... That portion of 57th needs all the buses it can get...

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12 hours ago, paulrivera said:

We gotta get these on our SBS lines pronto.

*if it has rubber wheels and no tracks and carries passengers it’s a bus, despite what it says in the video.

Yeah this is some bus/tram hybrid....

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4 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

The M12 has a weird routing system that doesn’t allow for the ridership to grow within the immediate Hudson Yards neighborhood.....

Yeah, the fact that NB buses run up 12th av.... Does nothing for much of no one....

The two segments of the route that sees any real patronage is b/w [Abingdon Sq. itself & W. 24th st] and along [W. 57th].....

In my experiences, the SB trips always transport more ppl. than the NB trips..... There is something to that.

 

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The M12 really should continue down to Tribeca, the only problem being I'm not sure what the best routing would be. Washington and Greenwich Streets would be the natural choice but they switch directions around Canal Street and it gets pretty messy. 

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11 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Question: Why do some S53 trips on BusTime say VICTORY BL even though they are doing the whole route?

Only thing I can think of is maybe the Bay Ridge trips interline with different things than the Victory Blvd trips (I know some come back as an S93 on the return trip so maybe that's why they're signed for Victory)

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15 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

The M12 really should continue down to Tribeca, the only problem being I'm not sure what the best routing would be. Washington and Greenwich Streets would be the natural choice but they switch directions around Canal Street and it gets pretty messy. 

I like the idea about continued travel to Tribeca. I’d put it one step further and have it in Battery Park City. The route has its good points. 

Heres the thing about Washington and Greenwich Streets. There’s been a considerable amount of construction that’s been popping up as of late now and has hampered the M21 servicing the area. 

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1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

I like the idea about continued travel to Tribeca. I’d put it one step further and have it in Battery Park City. The route has its good points. 

Heres the thing about Washington and Greenwich Streets. There’s been a considerable amount of construction that’s been popping up as of late now and has hampered the M21 servicing the area. 

I can't concur with running M12's southward..... Those people are majorically/practically all on 1 trains, it's not even funny....

Holland tunnel traffic won't fare any better for an extended M12 than the way it currently hampers the M20.... Also, to hear that there is (still) ongoing construction in those areas west of 7th av doesn't surprise me one bit.... I could only imagine how much of a PITA it is now getting around & about in the West Village - driving, biking, or walking.... One thing I don't miss about having worked out there... On weekends (lol), the thing is a tourist route (M20 I'm talking about) - people either getting off at Chambers or at S. Ferry itself.... I think we all agree that the M12 as is, is wasteful enough..... I just don't see the point in making it more wasteful....

If they want to keep the thing around, again, they need to take the thing off 12th av..... Minimum.

I'm inclined to believe that they don't want it (M12) mirroring too much of the M11 (which has had inconsistency issues in its own right  for god knows how long - and little of it overall has to do w/ Lincoln tunnel traffic at that), so they'd rather wash their hands with it (M12), instead of (better serving) Hudson Yards whenever the project is set to be said and done.

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4 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

How were you playing around with that? <_<

It's available to everyone online. Kinda surprised that everyone can access it.

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41 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

It's available to everyone online. Kinda surprised that everyone can access it.

It’s actually worse than BusTime. It basically shows the time points and whether or not the bus is on-time or behind.

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15 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

It’s actually worse than BusTime. It basically shows the time points and whether or not the bus is on-time or behind.

Although BusTrek doesn't show a map or show how far away a bus is from a particular stop, it gives alot of information. You can see exactly how hot or late a bus is running, ghost buses, stuck buses, buses that are deheading along a route, even the B/O's paddle for a particular bus. BusTrek isn't ment to be used by riders but by dispatchers and management in order to track buses and make decisions based on that. BusTime is ment to be used by riders in order to track buses from a particular stop.

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6 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

Although BusTrek doesn't show a map or show how far away a bus is from a particular stop, it gives alot of information. You can see exactly how hot or late a bus is running, ghost buses, stuck buses, buses that are deheading along a route, even the B/O's paddle for a particular bus. BusTrek isn't ment to be used by riders but by dispatchers and management in order to track buses and make decisions based on that. BusTime is ment to be used by riders in order to track buses from a particular stop.

I know all of that, but I think it’s easier to see it on a map.

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2 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I know all of that, but I think it’s easier to see it on a map.

I agree, I was just looking at how BusTrek works. What does low/high confidence mean?

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On 3/1/2019 at 12:14 PM, B35 via Church said:

I can't concur with running M12's southward..... Those people are majorically/practically all on 1 trains, it's not even funny....

Holland tunnel traffic won't fare any better for an extended M12 than the way it currently hampers the M20.... Also, to hear that there is (still) ongoing construction in those areas west of 7th av doesn't surprise me one bit.... I could only imagine how much of a PITA it is now getting around & about in the West Village - driving, biking, or walking.... One thing I don't miss about having worked out there... On weekends (lol), the thing is a tourist route (M20 I'm talking about) - people either getting off at Chambers or at S. Ferry itself.... I think we all agree that the M12 as is, is wasteful enough..... I just don't see the point in making it more wasteful....

If they want to keep the thing around, again, they need to take the thing off 12th av..... Minimum.

I'm inclined to believe that they don't want it (M12) mirroring too much of the M11 (which has had inconsistency issues in its own right  for god knows how long - and little of it overall has to do w/ Lincoln tunnel traffic at that), so they'd rather wash their hands with it (M12), instead of (better serving) Hudson Yards whenever the project is set to be said and done.

The route from 34th to 57th can stay on 11th Avenue, as it is two way for the most part (except from 40th to 44 Street). I agree that there's no need to serve 12th Avenue like that. The M12 is not a tourist bus and most of the places people go to are closer to 11th Avenue. 

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So I was waiting for the Q58 at Flushing. There’s no more layover space and a bus terminating at Flushing is waiting for a spot. But he pulls up instead to the front of the lone and begins dropping off and pax start boarding. And then he packs it up and leaves. Isn’t he now extremely early? It’s not exactly his fault either cuz there was a limited that shld’ve left earlier because the limited operator was in a hurry to get onboard and try to leave. Too many drivers playing games.

 

also I’m onboard #4553 which is a grand ave bus. For grand ave, it sure looks like they dont take care of their buses. This still have dirty fabric seats and 1 seat that they actually replace. What’s a CMF doing take care of other depots equipment instead of their own?

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1 hour ago, Lil 57 said:

I agree, I was just looking at how BusTrek works. What does low/high confidence mean?

No idea. However, I’m sure that they compile this data to examine their on-time performance and other metrics.

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So I guess the drivers WEREN'T lying when they said the dispatcher can see when they change the sign :=|

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47 minutes ago, Train92 said:

So I guess the drivers WEREN'T lying when they said the dispatcher can see when they change the sign :=|

On a separate front, I mean god forbid you inform the b/o that the wrong signage (opposite direction) is still up..... Enough of them take it personal when a passenger apprises them of that.

Also, I'm probably in the minority here, but I never cared for the whole "code breaking" bit.....

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Do the 53xx XD60s have the blinking SBS signs or is it only the 6000 series? Also the Q52 has 3 NGs and 2 53xx XD60s rn

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