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7 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Cracks me up that these idiots rush to scrap the functional RTS fleet and now there's shortage that requires loans across the borough...oops.

Now watch those same people complain about missing buses.

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They should have finished scrapping those RTS by summer when people weren’t traveling as much. But hey I guess the LFS order is being expedited now. 

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2 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

They should have finished scrapping those RTS by summer when people weren’t traveling as much. But hey I guess the LFS order is being expedited now. 

Kingsbridge up now. Yukon up next ( I believe). 

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QV finally started making (some of) their 2019 LFS trackable (aside from 8511 which was the only trackable one for a while).. Hopefully we'll start seeing more images as people start hunting them down on bustime...

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3 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

QV finally started making (some of) their 2019 LFS trackable (aside from 8511 which was the only trackable one for a while).. Hopefully we'll start seeing more images as people start hunting them down on bustime...

Which is kind of sad to me, honestly.....

Before BusTime was a thing, it was a type of accomplishment to find a brand new bus out of the blue without the assist of trackers and such. It was a good feeling to be able to do that.

Nowadays, fans rely on trackers waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much, which is both lazy and sad in my opinion.

Folks can make up the excuse of "omg I don't wanna stay out there all day" or similar types of excuses, but the fact is, trackers kinda killed fanning in my opinion. The spontaneity of it all is gone.

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I usually go by the message of "the more that come, the more likely you will find it". Things also work out better if you know a routes pattern and how much buses a certain route runs as well.

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24 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

I recently took possibly the last RTS bus out of Ulmer Park that I'll take on the B74...

Unless you don't live in the area I wouldn't be so dramatic. They still have more time. Maybe a week? Depends on how much of a shortage they want to create

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Topic - B103

1. Why is this route so indirect going a very long And bendy route 

2. Why is there only limited and no local service, was it always like this ?

3. Why is this line one of the highest frequency lines in Brooklyn? Why wasn’t it ever considered to be come an articulated route ?

4. Is this line ever going to to considered for select bus service?

5. Why is the placement of stops so weird for not stopping  in front the Q station at cortelyou rd

6. Why is the 103 just so weird 

 

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1 hour ago, Orion6025 said:

Unless you don't live in the area I wouldn't be so dramatic. They still have more time. Maybe a week? Depends on how much of a shortage they want to create

I don't live in the area, would be lucky to take it again within a week

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XN-60 1028 at West Farms has their support sticker on the interior walkway.. a Jumpman logo 

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9 minutes ago, Kingjunior34 said:

Topic - B103

1. Why is this route so indirect going a very long And bendy route 

2. Why is there only limited and no local service, was it always like this ?

3. Why is this line one of the highest frequency lines in Brooklyn? Why wasn’t it ever considered to be come an articulated route ?

4. Is this line ever going to to considered for select bus service?

5. Why is the placement of stops so weird for not stopping  in front the Q station at cortelyou rd

6. Why is the 103 just so weird 

 

1) The B103 wasn't always the way it currently is. For the most part, people are not riding from end to end, so the indirect part doesn't really hold. Nowadays, it just does a lot, but there are specific groups of people riding, the Flatbush/Flatbush-Canarsie group being the biggest one. There is also those who take the route from Flatbush into Downtown Brooklyn (although there's more SB ridership than NB). 

2/5)Previously, the B103 had the LIMITED designation, but ran weekdays only, non-stop from Downtown Brooklyn to Kensington. IIRC, it also had pick-up only and drop-off only segments, which made it an intraborough express route. There were portions of the day (middays for the most part) when service ran hourly. This bus was never meant for riders to connect to the subway, as it was more for workers in Downtown Brooklyn. Obviously, all the restrictions have been removed, and the bus also makes more stops. Few pieces of the old B103 service pattern remain, with the lack of a direct connection to the (Q) being one. 

3) It is a high frequency route because it serves many areas which are more transit dependent. Except for several sections of Canarsie where the B103 runs, most people heavily utilize mass transit in the Flatbush-Canarsie section. IDK if Spring Creek can hold artic buses, but for the mean time, it'll have to do with what they have. The C40LF's can only go so many places, and there aren't enough CNG artics to just transfer to SC. Maybe when the C40s get replaced, we might see something, but that's still years up ahead. 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

1) The B103 wasn't always the way it currently is. For the most part, people are not riding from end to end, so the indirect part doesn't really hold. Nowadays, it just does a lot, but there are specific groups of people riding, the Flatbush/Flatbush-Canarsie group being the biggest one. There is also those who take the route from Flatbush into Downtown Brooklyn (although there's more SB ridership than NB). 

2/5)Previously, the B103 had the LIMITED designation, but ran weekdays only, non-stop from Downtown Brooklyn to Kensington. IIRC, it also had pick-up only and drop-off only segments, which made it an intraborough express route. There were portions of the day (middays for the most part) when service ran hourly. This bus was never meant for riders to connect to the subway, as it was more for workers in Downtown Brooklyn. Obviously, all the restrictions have been removed, and the bus also makes more stops. Few pieces of the old B103 service pattern remain, with the lack of a direct connection to the (Q) being one. 

3) It is a high frequency route because it serves many areas which are more transit dependent. Except for several sections of Canarsie where the B103 runs, most people heavily utilize mass transit in the Flatbush-Canarsie section. IDK if Spring Creek can hold artic buses, but for the mean time, it'll have to do with what they have. The C40LF's can only go so many places, and there aren't enough CNG artics to just transfer to SC. Maybe when the C40s get replaced, we might see something, but that's still years up ahead. 

 

 

So why don’t they fix it ? 

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2 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

Because its the (MTA) , also because everything is getting redesigned soon anyway

However, It shouldn't take that long to put an extra stop at the (Q) train station.

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2 hours ago, Kingjunior34 said:

So why don’t they fix it ? 

 

10 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

Because its the (MTA) , also because everything is getting redesigned soon anyway

 

6 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

However, It shouldn't take that long to put an extra stop at the (Q) train station.

Putting a stop by the (Q) is not really necessary. Most people take the (2) and (5) , which combined already serve the same areas the (Q) serves. In addition, considering traffic conditions on both Flatbush Avenue and Cortelyou Road, you'd have better luck on the subway from Nostrand. 

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On 4/10/2019 at 11:50 PM, MHV9218 said:

Cracks me up that these idiots rush to scrap the functional RTS fleet and now there's shortage that requires loans across the borough...oops.

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Whoops...

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9 hours ago, Kingjunior34 said:

So why don’t they fix it ? 

All the boroughs are getting a redesign for their bus network so something may happen with that route. 

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8 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Putting a stop by the (Q) is not really necessary. Most people take the (2) and (5) , which combined already serve the same areas the (Q) serves. In addition, considering traffic conditions on both Flatbush Avenue and Cortelyou Road, you'd have better luck on the subway from Nostrand. 

Let's call it for what it is - Canarsie-ans (the main community the route caters to) doesn't have any ties to the Brighton line....

Primarily, the thing (B103) is either:

1) a "local" route between said community & the Nostrand av IRT...
2) a commuter local to Downtown Brooklyn from that pocket of the borough....

Everything else is secondary - and that secondary market doesn't consist of any significant commuters clamoring for a connection to the (Q) either....

In contrast, think about why a stop was added at 4th/9th for the (F)(G)(R) in Park Slope,  but the B103 remains having those 2 stops along Cortelyou.... One for the Ditmas Park/Kensington folks & the other for the Flatbush (the neighborhood) folks....

8 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

However, It shouldn't take that long to put an extra stop at the (Q) train station.

There's no market for it.... From either end of the route.

 

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12 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

Unless you don't live in the area I wouldn't be so dramatic. They still have more time. Maybe a week? Depends on how much of a shortage they want to create

 

7 hours ago, SevenEleven said:

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I think that this whole RTS retiring thing is stupid. The RTS were due to retire next year because by then, enough new buses would have came to replace the RTS without creating a fleet shortage. This is like retiring the R32s from the subway right now because some people said that they were old.

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9 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

KB put 8544, untrackable, in service tonight, i believe...

Just saw 8551 on the Bx3 a few minutes ago. Its a nice visual change of pace from the usual hybrids that run up here.

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3 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

 

I think that this whole RTS retiring thing is stupid. The RTS were due to retire next year because by then, enough new buses would have came to replace the RTS without creating a fleet shortage. This is like retiring the R32s from the subway right now because some people said that they were old.

This is why if they were to retire the RTS sooner, they could’ve waited until the start of the summer pick to start retiring the buses, NOT MAY 10TH. 

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Is there a particular reason why the MTA switched from the interior layout of the 1200’s where the left side has windows seats two wide and the right side has longitudinal seating?

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