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Sad thing is that unless all of you playing on BusTrek were on VPNs (or on TOR), all your IPs were tracked and harvested. So, on the one hand, MTA could come after you for accessing their private network, blah blah blah. But then OTOH, they were lax in not seeing all the traffic as well as having it open.

Plenty of blame to go around, and questions to be answered. But if you're not asking the MTA to be TRUTHFUL about their operations, you're missing one hell of an opportunity here, IMO. 

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12 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

The B82 sbs has gotten bad recently. Wait times are longer and I’m not sure if it’s because of the recent pick. Literally last month the wait times for it wasn’t bad at all it was 10 minutes off peak and 6-9 during rush hour. Now I’m waiting for the bus and there’s a 25 minute gap for the sbs the locals are running better than the sbs. Not sure what happened. 

 

It could be some runs have operators who just fail to show or the buses are starting to break down after a few months of heavy use. There's many reasons the buses may have gaps outside of traffic causing such gaps. 

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3 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

You have the link to the tweet?

If only I had known about this system before... BusTime has failed me many times especially with the Q31.

1 hour ago, Lil 57 said:

Talking about Twitter, NYCT Buses' twitter page is so outdated. Their profile pick is an M5 to South Ferry and their banner shows an image of the S79 (Pre SBS) on BusTime.

Last year, I suggested to them that they should update their twitter profile pic and banner. They replied, "Thanks, we'll notify supervision." 

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8 minutes ago, Elmhurst said:

If only I had known about this system before... BusTime has failed me many times especially with the Q31.

Last year, I suggested to them that they should update their twitter profile pic and banner. They replied, "Thanks, we'll notify supervision." 

WOW!! This is the first time me knowing Bustrek was actually sharing the buses information to the public. This feature is more of an management tool which the Surface Line Dispatchers uses to monitor the bus route and etc, but of course dispatchers has more features add on's and controlling options. 

Sorry to say, But I'm glad they took that feature down, because that was too much information sharing with the public, and I would be damn if a passenger came up to me using the bustrek features to try to question me why I'm late based on my paddle report  and etc.

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2 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

you can even click on a bus and it shows that persons entire paddle for the whole day. I agree it's too much for the public to see.

overshare with the general public. slippery slope. way too much info on the streets. this is how things happen to B/O's while on duty... disgruntled ex/lover, etc having that much access to your work day smh. this would be equivalent to the NYPD telling civilians the "color of the day"... glad they corrected this MISTAKE. 

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1 hour ago, Elmhurst said:

 

Wait wait wait woah hold up...

How did "JP" not get in hot water for publicly mentioning BusTrek on NYCT Bus's account? Surely that's a faux pas? 

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1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

Wait wait wait woah hold up...

How did "JP" not get in hot water for publicly mentioning BusTrek on NYCT Bus's account? Surely that's a faux pas? 

I guess no one noticed that little slip...

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10 hours ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

Wow... I never tried bustrek but for an operator prospective point of view that info was sharing  too much with the public 🙏😉😝

I run an advocacy group. For me it's interesting to see what metrics the (MTA) is using for express bus service.  I already had a system in place using BusTime to monitor service, so no biggie. Nevertheless, I'd like to thank the big mouths for ruining it for those of us that were using it on the down low and not taking screenshots and posting on Twitter or anywhere else. I mean how stupid are people!!??? There are some people that knew about it on the down low and kept it that way and now they can't use it, so a big thank you to those people that ruined it.

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9 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

^^^^ THIS 👍👍 #GivingAwayFamilySecrets

True, but one needs to understand how to read paddles and time points. Most people don't know how to, but I agree.  The paddles were too much. That said, if someone wants to figure out, you most certainly can even without the paddles.  I've come to realize this as I monitor service.

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There's an old saying that goes, seek & ye shall find....

For SOME of us transit enthusiasts on a site like this that are a little more responsible, I can understand coming upon a hidden treasure like this & keeping shit on the hush hush for our own private consumption.... With that said though, and in all honesty, regardless, the information that was provided on Bustrek should've never been easily & as readily available to the public like that in the first place.... 

I'm personally indifferent to the MTA's closing of the doors with Bustrek - but in general, this is what you get with impulsive, motor mouth, don't know when to STFU MF-ers.... It is shit like this why I don't share secrets with anything with a pulse, as far as I can throw them.... The general public is stupid....

Way to prove your point "Kitty Kat", Stool Pigeon... So now what? Your bus was late for whatever reason 3 days ago & as a result, there's now one less medium to track "your" bus....

Good job, joker.... Good job.

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8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Wait wait wait woah hold up...

How did "JP" not get in hot water for publicly mentioning BusTrek on NYCT Bus's account? Surely that's a faux pas? 

I thought I was the only one who noticed that. 

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20 hours ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

Wow... I never tried bustrek but for an operator prospective point of view that info was sharing  too much with the public 🙏😉😝

While that was true....the information that was provided wasn't 100% accurate either.

The actual, bigger site that the dispatchers and such have access to is far more accurate than what was leaked on Google.

I am glad that it's gone though. The last thing we need are operators being scrutinized by potential passengers about why they are X-amounts of minutes late and such.

But, thanks to that tweet, whoever is responsible for that being leaked to Google of all places is going to get disciplined quite harshly(if it gets to that case).

18 hours ago, DetSMART45 said:

ROFLMAO with all the panties in a wad over the whole BusTrek stuff. So let's go through this:

a] MTA "somehow" lets BusTrek access be on the public side -- with all their highly-paid characters who *should* be guarding against that actually happening letting it happen. b] People take advantage of it. c] People blab all over about it, and actually use it to "shame" the MTA. d] MTA finally decides to secure it, leading to even more 'secrecy' all of you are up in arms about.

MTA has already said (at least I saw @Via Garibaldi 8 make specific mention of how they told him/his group) to rely on the BusTime for 'true' data, so why do you want to make the "shamer" part of your ridicule? THE MTA IS THE ONE AT FAULT, NOT THE PERSON WHO "BLABBED".

WHY DON'T YOU HOLD THE MTA ACCOUNTABLE? There should be NO discrepancies, period.

Unless there IS something to hide. Apparently there is, but you want to hold the wrong person to account.

This is one hell of an overreaction if I've ever seen one.

No shit the MTA should be held accountable for it, they were held accountable and were joked at ever since the day someone(Lil 57) posted the link on here many months back, which you've apparently missed while being away for quite a while.

But seeing as it was also being used as a tool to monitor metrics and how service actually is to potentially request for better service was a good thing, but, the fact that it got removed because of some buff that didn't know any better is also a bad thing, because now there's no other legitimate, accurate way to prove that service in the majority of the city is shite....so yes, the shamer also has to be held accountable.
 

Both sides, the MTA's Bustrek team, and the person who put it out on Twitter have to be held accountable. 

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Today on SI,

4267

4267 broke down. I'm glad these NG's are leaving the island. They put too much work on these buses.

 

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5 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

Today on SI,

4267 broke down, I'm glad these NG's are leaving the island. They put too much work on these buses.

 

Those NGs need a 2yr rest so the other NGs around the city can catch up on their mileage lmaoo. These buses are 10 years old but run like their 15-16yrs old. 

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Just now, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

Those NGs need a 2yr rest so the other NGs around the city can catch up on their mileage lmaoo. These buses are 10 years old but run like their 15-16yrs old. 

The SBS NGs on SI probably have the highest mileage in the city. They repeatedly run on one of Yukon's longest routes (As well as one of the city's longest). And goes up steep inclines on the VZB. NGs aren't made for that terrain.

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Just now, Lil 57 said:

The SBS NGs on SI probably have the highest mileage in the city. They repeatedly run on one of Yukon's longest routes (As well as one of the city's longest). And goes up steep inclines on the VZB. NGs aren't made for that terrain.

Anything governed at 40MPH is not made for NYC.

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1 minute ago, Cait Sith said:

Anything governed at 40MPH is not made for NYC.

Who even made that decision? Even If most routes run on streets that don't have speed limits over 40 MPH, alot of buses dehead on highways with speed limits over 40 MPH. If everyone else is going above 50 on the highway and you're stuck with 40, it can cause traffic and it even be a hazard in some cases. Local buses should be governed to at least 55-60 MPH and express buses at 70 MPH.

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4 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

Who even made that decision? Even If most routes run on streets that don't have speed limits over 40 MPH, alot of buses dehead on highways with speed limits over 40 MPH. If everyone else is going above 50 on the highway and you're stuck with 40, it can cause traffic and it even be a hazard in some cases. Local buses should be governed to at least 55-60 MPH and express buses at 70 MPH.

No idea...they used to be governed higher at 45-50, but when Vision Zero kicked in, that changed quickly.

It is hazardous. NJ State Police has pulled over buses on the S89 for going too slow, hence why all of the LFSs(at least the older ones at Yukon) are governed at 60 I believe. The newer LFSs should be following suit soon.

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8 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

No idea...they used to be governed higher at 45-50, but when Vision Zero kicked in, that changed quickly.

It is hazardous. NJ State Police has pulled over buses on the S89 for going too slow, hence why all of the LFSs(at least the older ones at Yukon) are governed at 60 I believe. The newer LFSs should be following suit soon.

That's good that the SI buses are being governed higher. Last time I was on an old LFS on the S89 (last week) it didn't get faster than 40. Guess this recently happened.

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2 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

That's good that the SI buses are being governed higher. Last time I was on an old LFS on the S89 (last week) it didn't get faster than 40. Guess this recently happened.

It's not recent, and I suppose that not all of the LFSs got updated with it, but I know some 8300s go up to 60.

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24 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

No idea...they used to be governed higher at 45-50, but when Vision Zero kicked in, that changed quickly.

It is hazardous. NJ State Police has pulled over buses on the S89 for going too slow, hence why all of the LFSs(at least the older ones at Yukon) are governed at 60 I believe. The newer LFSs should be following suit soon.

Are MTA buses programmed with speed limiters that prevent them from going over 40?

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3 minutes ago, Elmhurst said:

Are MTA buses programmed with speed limiters that prevent them from going over 40?

They are governed yes... The mph will vary, but that's the idea.

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1 hour ago, Cait Sith said:

It's not recent, and I suppose that not all of the LFSs got updated with it, but I know some 8300s go up to 60.

Glad to see that the (MTA) is fixing this issue. 40 MPH (And even 45 MPH in the past) is way too slow for any bus to be capped at.

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