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Honestly, MTA did have to retire the RTS at some point regardless of how long they could last, but what they should've done was keep at least half or one-third of the RTS in service until the XD40 and LFS orders were completed. That way, we wouldn't have had to worry about any shortages, and the additional RTS could've been used as storage in case of an emergency. 

Plus it's not like every single neighborhood complained about them. ENY and Brownsville were the only neighborhoods mainly complaining. The rest of the neighborhoods weren't complaining a lot, and even if they did, complaints there were in the minority. And besides, they were the best buses that could hold up at such a long lifespan. There were other buses that were in much worse condition than the RTS at even just 15-16 years of age. 

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7 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said:

Honestly, MTA did have to retire the RTS at some point regardless of how long they could last, but what they should've done was keep at least half or one-third of the RTS in service until the XD40 and LFS orders were completed. That way, we wouldn't have had to worry about any shortages, and the additional RTS could've been used as storage in case of an emergency. 

Plus it's not like every single neighborhood complained about them. ENY and Brownsville were the only neighborhoods mainly complaining. The rest of the neighborhoods weren't complaining a lot, and even if they did, complaints there were in the minority. And besides, they were the best buses that could hold up at such a long lifespan. There were other buses that were in much worse condition than the RTS at even just 15-16 years of age. 

Yes but even so enough people were formed to make it noticable to the public. Plus the only reason those neighborhoods were heard is because of them being "poor" and "dirty" and stuff like that. 

How many depots were using RTS earlier this year? What other borough besides Brooklyn had loads of diesel burning buses? So ENY and Brownsville being "the only neighborhoods mainly complaining" is a bs excuse to keep them around.

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You're all entitled to your own opinion but those RTS buses were in bad shape. They made our city look like old trash. They were good back in the day but a bus shouldn't last that long.

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45 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said:

Honestly, MTA did have to retire the RTS at some point regardless of how long they could last, but what they should've done was keep at least half or one-third of the RTS in service until the XD40 and LFS orders were completed. That way, we wouldn't have had to worry about any shortages, and the additional RTS could've been used as storage in case of an emergency. 

Plus it's not like every single neighborhood complained about them. ENY and Brownsville were the only neighborhoods mainly complaining. The rest of the neighborhoods weren't complaining a lot, and even if they did, complaints there were in the minority. And besides, they were the best buses that could hold up at such a long lifespan. There were other buses that were in much worse condition than the RTS at even just 15-16 years of age. 

See here's the thing(it may be off topic), in my native coast, Haiti🇭🇹, it's a culture that was claimed to be the poorest(untrue, it some parts of it) where we mostly have japanese cars from 20th century generation(also Cuba🇨🇺 with '50s and '60s cars) and it's too symbolize how grateful we are to have equipments on wheels(we don't beg for new cars). It should relate to these neighborhoods of Brooklyn, should deal with RTS' on the streets until the end of 2019(same as what my youtuber is coming from), so that they may not have to deal with shortages. But that's because they don't want to suffer increase of times from high produced pollutions and ear piercing noises(almost like the Orion VII OG CNGs), which is how I used to hate all RTS' from the time I was 9 until the time I was 14(reliked them after watching reviews and hearing loads of thoughts about these buses). Especially, the 10 yr old Orion VII NGs(quantity: 100+) out of Flatbush Depot may not be a big deal to help us add service out of that depot(like the RTS' from back then and the Xcelsiors from 2015 as what others brought up before I said it). So, the MTA and DOB should've thought 2x for more XD40s to come from the plant, helping replace RTS' before any depot's shortage.

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The RTSs were great buses but they had to go at some point... be grateful now because a lot of the older classic buses (OGs and NGs) may be gone in 5 years. Once those buses are gone would it'll be the end for the buses I knew (since the LFSs were just coming in when I left), but I still will be fine with the new buses (the Excelsiors and C40s are great!)

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3 hours ago, Snorunts said:

You're all entitled to your own opinion but those RTS buses were in bad shape. They made our city look like old trash. They were good back in the day but a bus shouldn't last that long.

Yet you're passing this off as a fact....how exactly do you know that they were in bad shape? Even the folks down at the ceremony who have driven and worked on those buses have said that these buses could've lasted for a couple more years.....the frames of those buses were in good shape, so they could have taken more abuse. What made them look bad was just their appearance, that was it. Hell, there were groups of people that preferred those over the low floors(i.e M66 & M72 passengers that complained about the lack of space in the low floors).

And a bus shouldn't last as long as an RTS, Fishbowl or any of our old high floors have? I don't think you understand what that means. It's a testament to how well those buses have performed on our messed up streets 24/7/365 during their lifetime. We'd be surprised if any of our low floor buses can last as long as any of those. If they're still in good shape structurally and mechanically after their 12-15 year retirement schedule, they can keep on trucking, and the RTS has technically been the only fleet that has consistently proven that time and time again.

Yes, obviously, they needed to go, they were here for 5-10 years longer than they should have been.  But they have proven time and time again that they were made for New York City and they were the true workhorses of this city, whether people like it or not.

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Also, why do you have two accounts?

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9 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Yet you're passing this off as a fact....how exactly do you know that they were in bad shape? Even the folks down at the ceremony who have driven and worked on those buses have said that these buses could've lasted for a couple more years.....the frames of those buses were in good shape, so they could have taken more abuse. What made them look bad was just their appearance, that was it. Hell, there were groups of people that preferred those over the low floors(i.e M66 & M72 passengers that complained about the lack of space in the low floors).

And a bus shouldn't last as long as an RTS, Fishbowl or any of our old high floors have? I don't think you understand what that means. It's a testament to how well those buses have performed on our messed up streets 24/7/365 during their lifetime. We'd be surprised if any of our low floor buses can last as long as any of those. If they're still in good shape structurally and mechanically after their 12-15 year retirement schedule, they can keep on trucking, and the RTS has technically been the only fleet that has consistently proven that time and time again.

Yes, obviously, they needed to go, they were here for 5-10 years longer than they should have been.  But they have proven time and time again that they were made for New York City and they were the true workhorses of this city, whether people like it or not.

Not all of them were in good shape. Some of the RTS buses when it rain water would leak inside, and countless breakdowns. Yes they were easy to fix and get the bus back into service. 

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4 minutes ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

Not all of them were in good shape. Some of the RTS buses when it rain water would leak inside, and countless breakdowns. Yes they were easy to fix and get the bus back into service. 

Much like the majority of our new-ish buses, some of the new XD40s at ENY & Fresh Pond already have water leaks on rainy days. Some of the leaks come through the vents, and the leaks usually occur at the rear. But I understand where you are coming from since you actually drive them.

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The charging port system on the single seats on bus 6234 is really unwieldy if you ask me. The seats are comfortable, but there has to be a better way to install the outlets.

Also, it appears that there has been a system-wide WiFi outage.

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3 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

4603 stalled at the Junction. Bus is partial burnt from the back. Awaiting tow back to the depot. 

What the hell?

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4 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

Honestly, MTA did have to retire the RTS at some point regardless of how long they could last, but what they should've done was keep at least half or one-third of the RTS in service until the XD40 and LFS orders were completed. That way, we wouldn't have had to worry about any shortages, and the additional RTS could've been used as storage in case of an emergency. 

Plus it's not like every single neighborhood complained about them. ENY and Brownsville were the only neighborhoods mainly complaining. The rest of the neighborhoods weren't complaining a lot, and even if they did, complaints there were in the minority. And besides, they were the best buses that could hold up at such a long lifespan. There were other buses that were in much worse condition than the RTS at even just 15-16 years of age. 

I can't help but wonder if that was really the case. If anything, what I got from it was Clayton Guse spewing a bunch of 💩 just to set a narrative that relied far too heavily on the ignorance of the people (not unlike certain other people).

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1 hour ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

Not all of them were in good shape. Some of the RTS buses when it rain water would leak inside, and countless breakdowns. Yes they were easy to fix and get the bus back into service. 

the one thing that pisses me off is that I'm certain that the leaking is an easy fix... clear sealant or caulk could solve that problem in & around windows, doors, emergency hatches, etc. i do waterproofing for homes (side hustle/hobby... almost everyone at transit has one), and I believe something could be done, especially with the new(er) units. it's borderline inexcusable

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2 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

Yes, obviously, they needed to go, they were here for 5-10 years longer than they should have been.  But they have proven time and time again that they were made for New York City and they were the true workhorses of this city, whether people like it or not.

agreed. I'll be honest, being a larger man, i despised the RTS, especially the 83xx's, 84xx's, or any RTS with the drivers seat side arm (right side) it makes for a bad time operating them things. when i was at ENY, FB, etc (any yard with 49xx's, 50xx's etc) without the side arm, those RTS's i enjoyed operating immensely, especially with mechanics behind you that know how to upkeep them. i loved operating 49xx's in the rain/snow, above any other bus (aside from the 56xx D60's)  i personally feel the truest litmus test of a "good" bus is how it handles in s***ty weather... with all that said, it was time for them to go. bad for your back, awful on your knees & hips, carpal tunnel syndrome... the RTS is/was a cruel mistress to many bus operators. my uncle is currently out on comp now, and after 14 years of being a fan of the Flatbush RTS, he's paying the price, so to speak (just had successful hip replacement surgery) i myself was out on comp for lower back & knee issues, that started when i worked at RTS yards. for the history & the culture, I'm sad they're gone. but physically, i say good riddance. 

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In former NYC Buses, was the Orion V problem has something to do with the framing issue or that there's another detail to that?

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12 hours ago, Coney Island Av said:

Honestly, MTA did have to retire the RTS at some point regardless of how long they could last, but what they should've done was keep at least half or one-third of the RTS in service until the XD40 and LFS orders were completed. That way, we wouldn't have had to worry about any shortages, and the additional RTS could've been used as storage in case of an emergency. 

Plus it's not like every single neighborhood complained about them. ENY and Brownsville were the only neighborhoods mainly complaining. The rest of the neighborhoods weren't complaining a lot, and even if they did, complaints there were in the minority. And besides, they were the best buses that could hold up at such a long lifespan. There were other buses that were in much worse condition than the RTS at even just 15-16 years of age. 

You got sold a bill of goods & bought it, hook, line, and sinker.... Those neighborhoods were not complaining about RTS' - especially to the point where their retirement just had to be expedited...

You could take 1000 residents from those 2 neighborhoods combined & the vast majority of them wouldn't know WTF an RTS is anyway....

7 hours ago, Lex said:

I can't help but wonder if that was really the case. If anything, what I got from it was Clayton Guse spewing a bunch of 💩 just to set a narrative that relied far too heavily on the ignorance of the people (not unlike certain other people).

Exactly...

Nothing more than propaganda to further fuel duck duck Guse's environmentalist shtick....

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They're all gone okay?! There's nothing anyone can do about it. Unless if your local bus route experiences delays I don't know what is the huge deal? 

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38 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

They're all gone okay?! There's nothing anyone can do about it. Unless if your local bus route experiences delays I don't know what is the huge deal? 

Doesn't make it anymore justified.

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1 hour ago, B35 via Church said:

You got sold a bill of goods & bought it, hook, line, and sinker.... Those neighborhoods were not complaining about RTS' - especially to the point where their retirement just had to be expedited...

You could take 1000 residents from those 2 neighborhoods combined & the vast majority of them wouldn't know WTF an RTS is anyway....

Exactly...

Nothing more than propaganda to further fuel duck duck Guse's environmentalist shtick....

I'll agree with you on that. In fact, most people see it as an old ass bus that spits out dirty fumes.

They did have a bit more life in them. If it wasn't for the (L) shutdown cancellation and M14 SBS there would still be over a hundred running around. If these environmentalists didn't go to the news we would probably be running around 80 or so RTS. And yes I do feel the story used Brooklyn being rundown as an excuse to retire them faster but no matter how the fans see it it's the majority of the public that sees this bus as junk. 

2019 was their time to go whether it be in the fall or the end of April. Whether we like it or not.

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1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

I'll agree with you on that. In fact, most people see it as an old ass bus that spits out dirty fumes.

They did have a bit more life in them. If it wasn't for the (L) shutdown cancellation and M14 SBS there would still be over a hundred running around. If these environmentalists didn't go to the news we would probably be running around 80 or so RTS. And yes I do feel the story used Brooklyn being rundown as an excuse to retire them faster but no matter how the fans see it it's the majority of the public that sees this bus as junk. 

2019 was their time to go whether it be in the fall or the end of April. Whether we like it or not.

The only issue I have with all this really, is the false narrative.... The public ourselves, nor any news medium should have any direct say in, and/or when, whether any bus type or any particular subway rolling stock hits the hay for good.

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50 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

3753 is also the B103.

I saw on the tracker. Seems like SC is running short, is that right ???

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23 hours ago, aemoreira81 said:

 

Also, it appears that there has been a system-wide WiFi outage.

Yup--the wifi did not work on either exp bus I took today 

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