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This personally rips my heart out. Such a sad sight to see. 6365 and 6489 are here too but this wouldn't cooperate adding the photos.

 

For some reason 8971 and 9006 are still there. A D60 appears to have been reserved too (117 or 127) all the way in the back. That red Triboro Fishbowl I didn't see back there anymore...

The amount of 6300s - 6400s there kills me though lol

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Don't know why but this was also at ECH on the other side by itself.

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3 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

8971

That’s a museum bus IIRC which explains why it’s still around

3 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

9006

The hell is that doing in the yard still lmao that was scrapped late last spring. Must’ve been sitting there for over a year

3 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

D60 appears to have been reserved too (117 or 127) 

Very intriguing... well 117 was the last 2002 to run and 127 was either the last or second to last 2003 to run (either that or 5659) i think, so either of those units do have significance.

then again, they it could just be that they haven’t towed it off the lot for whatever reason. Hopefully someone in the know will chime in on this.

3 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

Don't know why but this was also at ECH on the other side by itself

Probably maintenance? But don’t quote me on that

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3 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

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When the RTS and the Orion V’s were still in service together back in 2014 in my head I would still think of the OG Orion VII’s as new buses. I guess maybe the mindset behind that is because they have a newer design, low floor and a majority have orange signs except 6365-6489. But then I’m like wait a minute all the OG Orion VII’s are all over 10 years, these buses are old now haha. 

Even when I look at the R142’s I think of them as new even though the oldest one is almost 20 years old. Of course they are newer than the R62’s but wow it’s easy to forget how old they are until you remember when they entered service. 

It just goes to show that time keeps moving, next thing you know your favorite bus fleet is being retired and replaced by something else. 

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I have been operating the 2018/19 NF XD60's and I notice these buses are super slow when it comes to acceleration time, its even worst  when you're going uphill with a standing load. I believe MTA probably reprogrammed the computer to slow the transmission speed on those buses. I notice its only happening on the 2018/19 models for example bus # 6133 acceleration time is slow and the other higher numbers buses does the same reaction, but bus # 6113-6119 acceleration is much faster compared to the 6130's updated models.

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39 minutes ago, Flatbush SBS Duece said:

I have been operating the 2018/19 NF XD60's and I notice these buses are super slow when it comes to acceleration time, its even worst  when you're going uphill with a standing load. I believe MTA probably reprogrammed the computer to slow the transmission speed on those buses. I notice its only happening on the 2018/19 models for example bus # 6133 acceleration time is slow and the other higher numbers buses does the same reaction, but bus # 6113-6119 acceleration is much faster compared to the 6130's updated models.

Yepp up to 6125 are 2017 models, 6126 and up are 2019. It's just a transmission modification the MTA has, I really wish this LBSS thing was never invented, the 4800s were ROCKETS when they first arrived, literally the fastest accelerating buses in the fleet, now everything is for efficiency so LBSS is designed to save as much fuel while trying to use low RPMs. 

Would be nice if we can go back to non LBSS days, or at least modify it better, sheesh other agencies that have high speed routes do it right. 

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I wonder if the NYC Bus depots that used to have the RTS are still on shortage or that that's over with  since the XD-40 order is finishing up (7851-7905 coming soon)

 

Also, around 7PM, I was going to take the B3 from McDonald Av to Ocean Av but missed it. However, I walked from McDonald Av to Ocean Av via Av U, I ended up seeing that missed bus at E.11th St. Next B3 when looking it up via mobile device was at Av.U/W.7 St. Overall, ended up walking than waiting for the next bus. 

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10 minutes ago, BrightlinerNewFlyer said:

When and what will the Orion VII Originals be replaced with?

If you mean the Green Flipdot VII's
MHV will receive 3960-4700 3rd Gens from various depots, QV: newer LFS with 8072-8081

 

The ones from 6490 and above: TBD

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7 minutes ago, BrightlinerNewFlyer said:

When and what will the Orion VII Originals be replaced with?

If you are talking about the whole Orion VII original fleet in general, they will be replaced by a mix of new and displaced buses.

The 2003-04 Orion VIIs and supposedly the first 158 2004-05 Orion VIIs are to be replaced together with the RTS (which has since been retired) by the current order of 367 XD40s, 251 LFS units, and 10 XDE40s. That is 628 buses total, enough to retire all of those buses, since 350 RTS + 125 Orion VIIs + 158 Orion VIIs equals 633 buses to be replaced. 628 buses should be enough to retire all of those units.

The last 42 2004-05 Orion VIIs and all 216 2006-07 Orion VIIs under NYCT (6690-6905) are to be replaced by the upcoming order of 275 diesel-electric hybrid buses. 42 of the 2004-05 units + 216 of the 2006-07 units equals 258 buses needing to be retired, and 275 units is actually more than enough to replace the 258 units.

If you are talking about the 2003-04 ones specially, read @Calvin‘s post. 

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12 minutes ago, Calvin said:

If you mean the Green Flipdot VII's
MHV will receive 3960-4700 3rd Gens from various depots, QV: newer LFS with 8072-8081

QV is also getting a generous order of 64 LFS buses to replace the 2003-04 units as well, with a fleet expansion of one bus (if one additional bus added to the roster even counts as an expansion lmao).

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7 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

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This personally rips my heart out. Such a sad sight to see. 6365 and 6489 are here too but this wouldn't cooperate adding the photos.

 

For some reason 8971 and 9006 are still there. A D60 appears to have been reserved too (117 or 127) all the way in the back. That red Triboro Fishbowl I didn't see back there anymore...

The amount of 6300s - 6400s there kills me though lol

It personally pisses me off, to be quite honest....

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8 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

For some reason 8971 and 9006 are still there. A D60 appears to have been reserved too (117 or 127) all the way in the back. That red Triboro Fishbowl I didn't see back there anymore...

It was mentioned as a musuem bus but in detail: that unit was used in the Olympics during the 1996 year. 

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8 hours ago, 4P3607 said:

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Don't know why but this was also at ECH on the other side by itself.

(ATV). At Vendor. Will return back to service soon. Possibly heading to 132nd after work is done. 

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On 6/4/2019 at 9:23 PM, Future ENY OP said:

Too bad right now The Brooklyn Division (FB/FP/JG/GA) won’t put those super ultra king wraps even though it’s advertising client Outfront Media states those ultra king ads can be found in Manhattan & Brooklyn Division buses. 

The (MTA) is crying foul with no money. Spread some love in the Brooklyn Division for these Super Ultra King ads or start going back to rear wraps. 

 

There may be some major multi-market ad buys running through Outfront right now. Winter was really slow around here, only small Ultra Queens from social services/government agencies, and a super short McDonald's campaign. Within past week, SMART got new Tails from a car dealership, and both SMART and DDOT have got multiple Ultra Super Kings installed (from about 5 different clients). More ads than I've seen in a long time.

Outfront could still be working out the bugs with sizing across the different models with the MTA (and MTA could be saying "hands off" certain ones, for now). But if there's a rebound in ad buying, Outfront will be pushing for placements to be expedited.

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1 hour ago, DetSMART45 said:

There may be some major multi-market ad buys running through Outfront right now. Winter was really slow around here, only small Ultra Queens from social services/government agencies, and a super short McDonald's campaign. Within past week, SMART got new Tails from a car dealership, and both SMART and DDOT have got multiple Ultra Super Kings installed (from about 5 different clients). More ads than I've seen in a long time.

Outfront could still be working out the bugs with sizing across the different models with the MTA (and MTA could be saying "hands off" certain ones, for now). But if there's a rebound in ad buying, Outfront will be pushing for placements to be expedited.

Gotchu. 

You might be right on this. 

DC also uses Outfront Media for all their bus models and has been using them for their XD series: XD40, XD60, XDE 40 and XDE60 for the past few years. 

Just hopefully In the future that Outfront expands systemwide for the Super Ultra King ads for NYCTA.. Some of the Bronx buses transferred to Manhattan and Brooklyn have the Bronx Zoo super ultra king campaign. 

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1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

Gotchu. 

You might be right on this. 

DC also uses Outfront Media for all their bus models and has been using them for their XD series: XD40, XD60, XDE 40 and XDE60 for the past few years. 

Just hopefully In the future that Outfront expands systemwide for the Super Ultra King ads for NYCTA.. Some of the Bronx buses transferred to Manhattan and Brooklyn have the Bronx Zoo super ultra king campaign. 

I don't think there'd be too much problems for the Xcelsiors (maybe MTA wouldn't allow any or few on the electrics), because you do have many more TAs repped by Outfront that use Xcelsiors over Novas/Gilligs (new/-er adds to fleets). And combo-buys of TAs could occur that way.

I was actually thinking of the "new" Novas with the dinky window-to-ground sides, and how any buys for those positions would be limited. As well as how so many complain about window coverage, because on those Novas, that's a significant piece of the real estate available for placement. So even though there's still enough Orions around (and those should all be "fair game" since they're the oldies, as well as being 99% of the representation in the Outfront Media Book), as well as the older, original Xcelsiors, it seems that getting the ads ON should be the name of the game currently. Plus MTA really needs to open up all the old MCI Express buses for placement, with relatively few limitations, instead of the current mindset.

I could see them saying "no ads" on any of the 2017/2018/2019s, but purely for the added cash in the pocket, everything else should be fair game, AND better coordinate with Outfront to get them on the street.

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35 minutes ago, DetSMART45 said:

I don't think there'd be too much problems for the Xcelsiors (maybe MTA wouldn't allow any or few on the electrics), because you do have many more TAs repped by Outfront that use Xcelsiors over Novas/Gilligs (new/-er adds to fleets). And combo-buys of TAs could occur that way.

I was actually thinking of the "new" Novas with the dinky window-to-ground sides, and how any buys for those positions would be limited. As well as how so many complain about window coverage, because on those Novas, that's a significant piece of the real estate available for placement. So even though there's still enough Orions around (and those should all be "fair game" since they're the oldies, as well as being 99% of the representation in the Outfront Media Book), as well as the older, original Xcelsiors, it seems that getting the ads ON should be the name of the game currently

Plus MTA really needs to open up all the old MCI Express buses for placement, with relatively few limitations, instead of the current mindset.

I could see them saying "no ads" on any of the 2017/2018/2019s, but purely for the added cash in the pocket, everything else should be fair game, AND better coordinate with Outfront to get them on the street.

(Answering bold points). 

1) This I do agree with. There has been expansion for the last few years with Outfront representing more TA’s 

2) As of late I’ve noticed a few Staten Island MCI’s (2013) D4500CT’s being retrofitted with super ultra king ads from RCN and another ad. There are slowly adding those Super Ultra Kings again on the MCI buses. 

3) This again I do agree with. Only b/c they are a lot newer. However, for depots like MJQ, MHV and MCH they slap tons of those Super Ultra king ads on their buses. I want to see how that changes the game when newer buses come to Manhattan in the near future. Possibly more 30x240, super kongs could be on the horizon for those newer buses. 

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Random thought: I’ve always wondered why the M31 is at TU and not MQ. Meanwhile, the deadhead to 57th street is less than 10 mins if the 31 is at MQ

Just simply make TU/100 all artic. 

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8 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Random thought: I’ve always wondered why the M31 is at TU and not MQ. Meanwhile, the deadhead to 57th street is less than 10 mins if the 31 is at MQ

Just simply make TU/100 all artic. 

 

It was in Quill. They moved things around once 126 closed and the M86 select was put in Quill. 

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37 minutes ago, Orion6025 said:

Does the b91a replace the b91/92 tonight?

Yes It does. 

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In B91A timing, the revised link takes place by 11:30PM today-12AM 

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13 minutes ago, Calvin said:

In B91A timing, the revised link takes place by 11:30PM today-12AM 

So will the B91 and 92 be running tonight for a few hours before the switchover to the B91A?

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