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Finally rode the BX6 to the last stop in Hunts Point, ridership is pretty high at the first stop in Hunts Point considering its in the middle of nowhere. Seen parts of the BX I never seen before (Only rode the BX6 between Hunts Point (6) station and the Manhattan Terminal in the past) . Came across an XN60 with an screeching fan belt, its like their paying homeage to the O.G's the D60HF which were notorious for screeching fan belts haha

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Looking at Old Fulton St and Water St.  Seeing it as a two way street by the Bridge. When the buses leave during the past festival, all the cars got to make that U-turn.

 

Also, Surf Av by Stillwell Av, the streets were restored (happened a while back). The streets, however, the two way has a higher elevation (or a small hill) than it has before. 

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4 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Yep, sounds like the B7... awful service levels - for a route around my neck of the woods, much of nobody wants, or even needs.....

The riderbase that gets screwed that really needs the thing, are the riders further up the route....

There shouldn't have been an Eagle Team to begin with.... NYPD/MTA/joint operations should've never ditched undercover operations over the years (I stopped noticing the ones around Church av (2)(5) in the mid to late '90's.... Same with the ones that used to frequent Dekalb av & Hoyt st stations).....

AFAIC. those retired cops they cutely dubbed a faction for, exists to instill fear out of commuters (for the simple sake of doing so), much more than they are there to deter farebeating.... Bombarding buses like they're ready to trounce the riding public on some SWAT type shit... F*** a Eagle Team; I despise them with a seething passion...

 

90% of B/O’s tend to haul major ass with their buses when they know the Eagle team is active, so they’re actually good for something.

The only thing is they don’t issue as many summonses because they can and do use more “discretion”. For instance you’ll never see them writing up a ticket to a minor.

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On 6/15/2019 at 11:19 AM, paulrivera said:

And that's why most Staten Island buses will never run better than 30 minute headways.

The S79 runs every 10-12 minutes or better the whole day. Matter of fact most routes run every 15 minutes or better for at least part of the day

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On 6/15/2019 at 8:08 AM, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

THIS RIGHT HERE...

It's so bad on some Staten Island routes I feel like a kiss ass to the MTA for paying to take the bus. 

Exactly how I feel whenever I see the rampant farebeating on the corner of Utica & Church (B35 and the B46) everyday.....

Sometimes when I'm coming from the corner store & I see an oncoming B35, I just stand there with the Jason Terry face (you know the gif... lol) watching people of all ages freely board the bus.....

On 6/15/2019 at 8:17 AM, NBTA said:

I'm not down there too often, but whenever I get on the S79, there's at least 10+ people who don't pay between Eltingville Station and the Mall...in either direction.

...and in my experiences, at least 10 of them would board at the SIR station..... If the SIR is "free", why shouldn't the rest of public transit be...

smh....

On 6/15/2019 at 8:22 AM, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Shocker... lol Staten Island’s fare beating problems are almost as bad as areas of the Bronx. The local buses esp. have always been bad, and the lines hat run through PJ areas. lol

The rest of the city has caught up to how overt SI's are when it comes to farebeating; look at the b/o & walk right on by..... Some still give the sob story, but there in an increase in the amt. of people that don't even do that anymore....

This is a citywide culture that's spreading like wildfire & this entitlement better be curbed quick....

On 6/15/2019 at 8:51 AM, Lil 57 said:

And it shouldn't be this way. Sometimes out of 15-20 people boarding the S79, I'm the only one that pays. The majority of these fare beaters are teens do I think that until they start paying, school trippers should be cut. That would especially hurt the South shore with S55/56 service being reduced from every 10 minutes to every 30 minutes. But that should reach them a lesson. If you don't want to pay for the bus, we aren't going to pay for your school trippers.

They don't pay, regardless.... Fiscally, these teens aren't losing squat, so the mindset is, why should they have to deal with the hassle of dipping a (student) metrocard? As Art Carney/Ed Norton would put it, Nothin from nothin leaves nothin.....

I don't want to make out like I'm defending this shit (and I'm not), but taking away trippers for most schoolkids in this city isn't a punishment... At worst, it's an inconvenience (instead of the bus being right in front of (or alongside) school grounds, they then would have to do w/e amount of walking to catch the bus they need - to (not pay) on that one too).....

On 6/15/2019 at 1:58 PM, aemoreira81 said:

I’m also for deploying state troopers in the same capacity. Tolerate farebeating and Lord only knows what else is tolerated.....

State troopers might be a bit much; the rest of the state of New York might want to have a word with you about that....

Your second point though (even though we transit enthusiasts stop at nothing to point out the BS that surrounds & is initiated by this very agency), is still underrated....

14 hours ago, paulrivera said:

90% of B/O’s tend to haul major ass with their buses when they know the Eagle team is active, so they’re actually good for something....

Well hell, I wouldn't wanna deal with them either!

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9 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

I don't want to make out like I'm defending this shit (and I'm not), but taking away trippers for most schoolkids in this city isn't a punishment... At worst, it's an inconvenience (instead of the bus being right in front of (or alongside) school grounds, they then would have to do w/e amount of walking to catch the bus they need - to (not pay) on that one too).....

Kinda depends on the route. While it might not be an inconvenience for S79 riders, S55/56 riders would have only a third of service left. So those people would feel more pain. (IMO, I would only count paying customers as riders, so when the service cuts come around, those lines with high fare beating would have service cut.)

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7 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

State troopers might be a bit much; the rest of the state of New York might want to have a word with you about that....

Your second point though (even though we transit enthusiasts stop at nothing to point out the BS that surrounds & is initiated by this very agency), is still underrated....

Well hell, I wouldn't wanna deal with them either!

There’s a ad out right now for fare evasion on the subways with a joint effort of (MTA) police, Port Authority Police and NYPD. Obviously for the latter 2 those would be Manhattan and Queens properties that the (MTA) and PA has in conjunction with the trains. 

State police is a bit out of reach and I agree B35. However, if you are in the juridisction of The Bronx where state PD loves to hang out to catch speeders it may not be too far out of reach.  (requiring some form of Albany assistance and gov says ok u may have undercover state pd on buses) 

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33 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

Kinda depends on the route. While it might not be an inconvenience for S79 riders, S55/56 riders would have only a third of service left. So those people would feel more pain. (IMO, I would only count paying customers as riders, so when the service cuts come around, those lines with high fare beating would have service cut.)

I hope that's the case with the S52. GET RID OF IT!! 95% of people don't pay...

They really should just increase S42 service, and then either merge another route or create another route on the south shore end of the route and be done with it. 

 

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Posted (edited)

2018-2019 XD-40 structure list (7851-7905 TBD)

Jamaica: 7484-7507, 7699-7705, 7753-7778, 7835-7838 = 61

Grand Av: 7520-7530, 7725-7733, 7821-7834 = 34

Fresh Pond: 7508-7519, 7706-7723, 7738-7752 , 7802-7820 = 65

Flatbush: 7615-7662 (48 for B46+)

East New York: 7663-7684 (22 for B82+) + 7685-7693, 7779-7784 (7785-7787) 7788-7801 - 29/32 = 54

Michael J Quill: 7572 (at Jamaica for now), 7573-7614 (43)

Ulmer Park: 7531-7545, 7552-7567, 7839-7848 (41)

West Farms: 7546-7551, 7568-7571, 7694-7698, 7734-7737, *7849-7850 = 21

 

 

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Someone earlier asked for a pic of one of the new updated signs on the 2015 LFS'. Here's a clip of one of the updated signs on LFS #8483 on the Q36 Limited (Timestamp is 2:50 in the video). The LFS' have started getting this update since at least early April.

 

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5 minutes ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said:

Someone earlier asked for a pic of one of the new updated signs on the 2015 LFS'. Here's a clip of one of the updated signs on LFS #8483 on the Q36 Limited (Timestamp is 2:50 in the video). The LFS' have started getting this update since at least early April.

 

Yukon and Charleston has been reverting the signs back to original due to the side and rear signs not working with this update. Castleton is fine since most of their buses don't have this issue with the new signs.

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5 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Kinda depends on the route. While it might not be an inconvenience for S79 riders, S55/56 riders would have only a third of service left. So those people would feel more pain. (IMO, I would only count paying customers as riders, so when the service cuts come around, those lines with high fare beating would have service cut.)

And historically, the S55/56, and the S115 before that, only existed because of Tottenville HS. Before the renumbering, there wasn't midday service on the 115. That said, why not have an S79 tripper or two out of Tottenville HS as well?

As for 7851-7905, when is the plan for delivery of those buses now that the base order (7484-50) is within a few buses of completion?

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46 minutes ago, Calvin said:

2018-2019 XD-40 structure list (7851-7905 TBD)

Jamaica: 7484-7507, 7699-7705, 7753-7778, 7835-7838 = 61

Grand Av: 7520-7530, 7725-7733, 7821-7834 = 34

Fresh Pond: 7508-7519, 7706-7723, 7738-7752 , 7802-7820 = 65

Flatbush: 7615-7662 (48 for B46+)

East New York: 7663-7684 (22 for B82+) + 7685-7693, 7779-7784 (7785-7787) 7788-7801 - 29/32 = 54

Michael J Quill: 7572, 7573-7614 (43)

Ulmer Park: 7531-7545, 7552-7567, 7839-7848 (41)

West Farms: 7546-7551, 7568-7571, 7694-7698, 7734-7737, *7849-7850 = 21

 

 

Wait did they actually move 7572 from Queens to MJQ?

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2 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Wait did they actually move 7572 from Queens to MJQ?

Not yet, this was just placed in the 43 count from the first page

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4 minutes ago, aemoreira81 said:

That said, why not have an S79 tripper or two out of Tottenville HS as well?

There's no need for a S79 tripper because the S78 already covers Hylan and the S59 covers Richmond. Tottenville HS students don't regularly go to Brooklyn and if they need to go to Brooklyn, they can transfer to the S79 along Hylan.

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2 hours ago, Calvin said:

2018-2019 XD-40 structure list (7851-7905 TBD)

Jamaica: 7484-7507, 7699-7705, 7753-7778, 7835-7838 = 61

Grand Av: 7520-7530, 7725-7733, 7821-7834 = 34

Fresh Pond: 7508-7519, 7706-7723, 7738-7752 , 7802-7820 = 65

Flatbush: 7615-7662 (48 for B46+)

East New York: 7663-7684 (22 for B82+) + 7685-7693, 7779-7784 (7785-7787) 7788-7801 - 29/32 = 54

Michael J Quill: 7572 (at Jamaica for now), 7573-7614 (43)

Ulmer Park: 7531-7545, 7552-7567, 7839-7848 (41)

West Farms: 7546-7551, 7568-7571, 7694-7698, 7734-7737, *7849-7850 = 21

 

 

7849 and 50 are not even here yet and West Farms is not scheduled yet for those 2 buses. 

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11 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Kinda depends on the route. While it might not be an inconvenience for S79 riders, S55/56 riders would have only a third of service left. So those people would feel more pain.

(IMO, I would only count paying customers as riders, so when the service cuts come around, those lines with high fare beating would have service cut.)

I said most schoolkids in the city, though.... Most would not have a 1/3rd of bus service left if trippers were to be taken away from them.... I'll even go as far as to say that taking away trippers would be a (lame) reason for some of these kids to skip school altogether.... In laymens, it'd be doing them a favor!

Furthermore, the revocation of bus service on high farebeating lines would promote even more system-wide farebeating.... I can't sit here & promote cutting service as some sort of counter-farebeating tactic... It's short-sighted.

11 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

There’s a ad out right now for fare evasion on the subways with a joint effort of (MTA) police, Port Authority Police and NYPD. Obviously for the latter 2 those would be Manhattan and Queens properties that the (MTA) and PA has in conjunction with the trains. 

State police is a bit out of reach and I agree B35. However, if you are in the juridisction of The Bronx where state PD loves to hang out to catch speeders it may not be too far out of reach.  (requiring some form of Albany assistance and gov says ok u may have undercover state pd on buses) 

State police coming in to put a stop to farebeating, to me, is akin to implementing martial law for the same reason.... Troop NYC can remain safeguarding toll crossings & nabbing speeders, drunk drivers, and the like....

You have folks that live upstate that are livid that there's even a Troop NYC to begin with....

6 hours ago, aemoreira81 said:

And historically, the S55/56, and the S115 before that, only existed because of Tottenville HS. Before the renumbering, there wasn't midday service on the 115. That said, why not have an S79 tripper or two out of Tottenville HS as well?

How many more routes are we going to have trippers serving Tottenville HS on? Yes, it has a high student pop. compared to other schools, but come on...

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2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

State police coming in to put a stop to farebeating, to me, is akin to implementing martial law for the same reason.... Troop NYC can remain safeguarding toll crossings & nabbing speeders, drunk drivers, and the like....

You have folks that live upstate that are livid that there's even a Troop NYC to begin with....

 

There’s only one person to blame for this and it has his papa’s bearing name on a bridge which I believe is a total waste of time, money and resources. Meanwhile NYC like Nassau has a highway patrol and actual police force to nab speeders and etc. 

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17 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Kinda depends on the route. While it might not be an inconvenience for S79 riders, S55/56 riders would have only a third of service left. So those people would feel more pain. (IMO, I would only count paying customers as riders, so when the service cuts come around, those lines with high fare beating would have service cut.)

Well in reality for Teens it wouldn't do anything, cuz they wouldn't pay on a regular trip anyway.

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Posted (edited)

Press conference right now in Midtown with The Governor, (MTA) Chair- Pat Foye, and Cy Vance (Manhattan DA) in regards to Fare Evasion.

Coverage Courtesy: CBSN- New York: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/live/

- Some highlights to include deploying up to 500 officers from the branches of NYPD, MTA Police and Bridge and Tunnels. I believe I stated seeing something in regards to PAPD. However, that is not the case at this time. So no PAPD deployment.

- 40 Million dollars is being put into this program. No taxpayer dollars are being used. Per Cy Vance (Manhattan DA)

- Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North are also experiencing issues with Fare Evasion and programs to combat that will be introduced later on- Per Pat Foye (Chairman)

- Governor just made a mention that NYS Police will be deployed into Subway stations... Right Now: GCT/Penn/Atlantic-Pacific have NYS police presence.

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NYS Police deployment.

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Two things:

1. The m96 is shockingly fast off peak! Both sides of the park too... Never rode a crosstown bus (well, there’s this absolutely nutty M23+ driver that can do 7 ave to lexington in 4 minutes somehow but we won’t talk about him lmao). The only thing this route needs is all door payment frankly.

2. 3970 talks (not sure what it says, I’m listening to music) even though it’s rear screen is off. And though the front screen is on, it isn’t displaying any route info, rather it’s displaying some animated screensaver or something (ad????) for clever devices

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3 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

- 40 Million dollars is being put into this program. No taxpayer dollars are being used. Per Cy Vance (Manhattan DA)

In other words, the MTA will be footing the bill. Again.

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2 hours ago, Lex said:

In other words, the MTA will be footing the bill. Again.

Exactly. Apparent the words of the Manhattan District Attorey. Money used from Criminal enterprise will be used for deployment of 500 officers from the branches excluding PAPD. 

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5 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Press conference right now in Midtown with The Governor, (MTA) Chair- Pat Foye, and Cy Vance (Manhattan DA) in regards to Fare Evasion.

Coverage Courtesy: CBSN- New York: https://newyork.cbslocal.com/live/

- Some highlights to include deploying up to 500 officers from the branches of NYPD, MTA Police and Bridge and Tunnels. I believe I stated seeing something in regards to PAPD. However, that is not the case at this time. So no PAPD deployment.

- 40 Million dollars is being put into this program. No taxpayer dollars are being used. Per Cy Vance (Manhattan DA)

- Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North are also experiencing issues with Fare Evasion and programs to combat that will be introduced later on- Per Pat Foye (Chairman)

- Governor just made a mention that NYS Police will be deployed into Subway stations... Right Now: GCT/Penn/Atlantic-Pacific have NYS police presence.

 

2 hours ago, Lex said:

In other words, the MTA will be footing the bill. Again.

 

15 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Exactly. Apparent the words of the Manhattan District Attorey. Money used from Criminal enterprise will be used for deployment of 500 officers from the branches excluding PAPD. 

Actually, I watched that press conference.  The Manhattan DA made it abundantly clear that no taxpayer dollars would be used for that $40 million that he was allocating to deter fare beating. Criminal enterprise means just that....

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7 hours ago, Orion6025 said:

Two things:

1. The m96 is shockingly fast off peak! Both sides of the park too... Never rode a crosstown bus (well, there’s this absolutely nutty M23+ driver that can do 7 ave to lexington in 4 minutes somehow but we won’t talk about him lmao). The only thing this route needs is all door payment frankly.

Brace yourself for the M66. The only useful portion is between Central Park W and 5 Av (if not taking in the scenic view), otherwise, I can walk.

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