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Just now, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

No, 599 (C40LF) was on the Q53 last night. I saw it turn off Woodhaven Boulevard onto Queens Boulevard myself.

I believe that 100%. MTA BUS Company has been doing a lot of weird loans lately.

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4 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

The priority now is the Q12, so East NY getting artics is on hold.

The Q12 isn't THAT much of a priority....

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Most of the SBS NGs this morning are being used on the local routes. There's 2 on the S79 but the rest are on the other routes.

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38 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

Most of the SBS NGs this morning are being used on the local routes. There's 2 on the S79 but the rest are on the other routes.

... and some of those NG’s will end up in Manhattan before the end of the day. 

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3 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

... and some of those NG’s will end up in Manhattan before the end of the day. 

How do you know?

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4 minutes ago, MHV184 said:

How do you know?

Stuff like this happens all the time sir. I’ll give you a perfect example. Last week 7308 was working a route in the AM rush at FB. By PM rush it ended up in East New York (registered) 

Therefore, what I’m saying here is that a bus could be working AM at Yukon could easily be moved to Manhattanville before the end of the day depending on how the deliveries are coming into Yukon. 

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6 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Stuff like this happens all the time sir. I’ll give you a perfect example. Last week 7308 was working a route in the AM rush at FB. By PM rush it ended up in East New York (registered) 

Therefore, what I’m saying here is that a bus could be working AM at Yukon could easily be moved to Manhattanville before the end of the day depending on how the deliveries are coming into Yukon. 

I see well thank you for that bit of information 

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2 minutes ago, MHV184 said:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mta-bus-service-reductions-fall-2019-20190722-kioktgntofgldprw5gwx5ohcce-story.html

What is everyone's opinion about the article above and the changes coming in fall.

I don't agree at all with the S74/78 cuts. This shows how bad local service along Hylan Blvd can get when SBS is added to it.

The Stapleton area is also going to suffer as well on Sundays because every mode of transportation is going to run every 30 minutes.

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Well. I’ll say this. For East New York lines the B15 and Q24. The Q24 is starting to be a heavily travel route. Although there’s plenty of bus bunching on the route. However, an increase is warranted. 

What I don’t like is that it’s on the expense of the B15. Taking away some of the resources from there for the Q24. If anything, the 15 needs more of the increase b/c of its travel thru a dense area of East New York and Spring Creek. 

UNRELATED:  i’m starting to have second thoughts about this B38/Q58 thing. Although the B38 is getting artics, the Q58 may or may not be an artic route b/c of its pattern in Corona. If the 58 ultimately doesn’t become artic send it back to Fresh Pond and give Grand Avenue back the B13. 

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29 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

lthough the B38 is getting artics, the Q58 may or may not be an artic route b/c of its pattern in Corona. If the 58 ultimately doesn’t become artic send it back to Fresh Pond and give Grand Avenue back the B13.

A quick reminder that narrow and hard to Navigate streets do not limit the use of artics on a line. 

 

The B38 goes straight through the narrow area of Fulton Mall and is still getting artics.

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B38 route point out

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Reading the article it looks like the MTA wants the M5 and M20 to run artics. Problem is Manhattanville doesn't have any artics. Does that mean the M5 will go to Tuskegee or MCH

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5 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

A quick reminder that narrow and hard to Navigate streets do not limit the use of artics on a line. 

 

The B38 goes straight through the narrow area of Fulton Mall and is still getting artics.

That is correct and I won’t dispute that at all  

The only difference is there’s some spacing on the B38 and it’s travel path via Lafayette and Dekalb. 

Where as the Q58 it has a tight Fresh Pond Road and Corona Avenue to deal with. The last stop on 41st Avenue is also a bit problematic. However, that could be resolved by possibly moving the terminal. All I’m simply saying is that if the 58 doesn’t get artics than send it back home to FP. 

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8 minutes ago, MHV184 said:

Reading the article it looks like the MTA wants the M5 and M20 to run artics. Problem is Manhattanville doesn't have any artics. Does that mean the M5 will go to Tuskegee or MCH

I don’t know how I feel about artics running down 5th and Madison Avenues. 

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What I am also sad and pissed off of is that with paused plan of artics of B15 and B82 +SBS, I am unsure what Caitsith810 heard that causes it to be on hold. My thoughts with the B15 is that some stops of it should be shifted on elsewhere spots of Crown Heights b/c, near my high school there is alot of narrow roads and tight corners that bus cannot handle. So this is maybe why the artics for the B15 is on hold. Same with the B82 +SBS, it has some tight corners to handle. Even in Canarsie pulling away from the L train terminal(Rockaway Parkway/Glenwood), it was always congested like the Eastern Parkway and Utica Ave for both the B46/+SBS and the B17. So what I am thinking is that for the B82's Spring Creek destination side of the +SBS, it should remain. While the Bensonhurst side should have the +SBS stop shifted to the Flatlands area to get away from the congested area of Rockaway and Glenwood. Back to the B15, what I think was for the JFK destination side to have turn left on Atlantic Ave(have bus stops to plant as their new corridor), and turn right on Rochester Ave (sorry for the Crown Height residents of losing your bus stops) as to going back to their normal runs to either Spring Creek or JFK.

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51 minutes ago, bwwnyc123 said:

I'm actually glad they're putting artics on more bus routes to handle crowds better. 

But the thing is that they really don't. If the (MTA) really used artics to increase capacity, they wouldn't cut service. If you have jam packed 40 footers running every 4 minutes, having 60 footers every 6 minutes is going to be just as crowded because more people are waiting for that bus because of the lower frequency.

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5 minutes ago, King Transit said:

What I am also sad and pissed off of is that with paused plan of artics of B15 and B82 +SBS, I am unsure what Caitsith810 heard that causes it to be on hold. My thoughts with the B15 is that some stops of it should be shifted on elsewhere spots of Crown Heights b/c, near my high school there is alot of narrow roads and tight corners that bus cannot handle. So this is maybe why the artics for the B15 is on hold. Same with the B82 +SBS, it has some tight corners to handle. Even in Canarsie pulling away from the L train terminal(Rockaway Parkway/Glenwood), it was always congested like the Eastern Parkway and Utica Ave for both the B46/+SBS and the B17. So what I am thinking is that for the B82's Spring Creek destination side of the +SBS, it should remain. While the Bensonhurst side should have the +SBS stop shifted to the Flatlands area to get away from the congested area of Rockaway and Glenwood. Back to the B15, what I think was for the JFK destination side to have turn left on Atlantic Ave(have bus stops to plant as their new corridor), and turn right on Rochester Ave (sorry for the Crown Height residents of losing your bus stops) as to going back to their normal runs to either Spring Creek or JFK.

Turns/Corners don't really matter for artics, they can make the turn, sometimes they can even make a corner better than a 40Fter. Artics are, 35/25, so technically, you're just driving a shorty, and the back part of the bus follows you.

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2 minutes ago, King Transit said:

What I am also sad and pissed off of is that with paused plan of artics of B15 and B82 +SBS, I am unsure what Caitsith810 heard that causes it to be on hold. My thoughts with the B15 is that some stops of it should be shifted on elsewhere spots of Crown Heights b/c, near my high school there is alot of narrow roads and tight corners that bus cannot handle. So this is maybe why the artics for the B15 is on hold. Same with the B82 +SBS, it has some tight corners to handle. Even in Canarsie pulling away from the L train terminal(Rockaway Parkway/Glenwood), it was always congested like the Eastern Parkway and Utica Ave for both the B46/+SBS and the B17. So what I am thinking is that for the B82's Spring Creek destination side of the +SBS, it should remain. While the Bensonhurst side should have the +SBS stop shifted to the Flatlands area to get away from the congested area of Rockaway and Glenwood. Back to the B15, what I think was for the JFK destination side to have turn left on Atlantic Ave(have bus stops to plant as their new corridor), and turn right on Rochester Ave (sorry for the Crown Height residents of losing your bus stops) as to going back to their normal runs to either Spring Creek or JFK.

So I heard something  about the B54 using Artics... but it would slightly  make since but then again FP sadly cannot  handle  artics unless if they somehow enhance the depo to expand it to make it handle it but that probably  will never happen  if anything  I would say the B54 might get moved from FP or get shared with a depo like Grand since that depo is getting Artics but I can be wrong about this so I would need to look further on these routes getting artics

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2 hours ago, MHV184 said:

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-mta-bus-service-reductions-fall-2019-20190722-kioktgntofgldprw5gwx5ohcce-story.html

Rush hour service on Brooklyn’s B15 and B54 buses and Manhattan’s M5 and M20 buses will also be cut — but those routes also will get bigger buses.

I wouldn’t want to read into this and say that the B15 and B54 will get artics just yet. I’m stopping short of saying that right now. 

However, if the TA decides to have the 15 and 54 converted to artic operation at its current climate than both lines would go to GA. 

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4075 still has the Bronx Zoo wrap that Gun Hill gave the bus. Saw it on the M104 a few minutes ago.

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42 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

4075 still has the Bronx Zoo wrap that Gun Hill gave the bus. Saw it on the M104 a few minutes ago.

A few of those Gun Hill and Kingsbridge buses have the Bronx Zoo wraps that got transferred to Flatbush and Manhattanville. It’s very rare that The Bronx and Brooklyn Divisions get driverside wraps. I would hope in the near future that the wraps the Manhattan Division get also expand to Brooklyn and the Bronx.  The Honest Tea wrap is a good example. 

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2 hours ago, King Transit said:

What I am also sad and pissed off....

Blanked out after this part.

I swear sometimes you people overreact on one little @$$ thing. The B15/82 SBS conversion was never going to happen this year anyways because ENY is still being worked on for a new building for the MTA/NYCT merger plus artic conversion since last year. It was planned for 2020 ever since the (M) shuttle bus was in place (or rather after the shuttle bus wasn't needed anymore).

 

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5 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

I don't agree at all with the S74/78 cuts. This shows how bad local service along Hylan Blvd can get when SBS is added to it.

The Stapleton area is also going to suffer as well on Sundays because every mode of transportation is going to run every 30 minutes.

TA’s looking at numbers and right now it is numbers game. If the fare is not being paid. Revenue is lost and for 2 vital routes on Staten Island is pretty bad.  However, most of the island has a big fare evasion problem (didn’t want to go there) but if the fare is paid more services will operate. If not, less service.  

I guess the TA’s new philosophy is pay your fare we will run more services. If not less service and we save money. I guess also that the TA is putting Tompkinsville-Stapleton-New Brighton customers on notice. You will get decreased service until we see good revenue. 

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