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1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

So is that free in system bus-subway transfer going to extend to the B6 and B82 or no?

That area is still boarded up so I can't tell. 

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1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said:

So is that free in system bus-subway transfer going to extend to the B6 and B82 or no?

I passed by there eariler and they put up new signs by the new turnstiles outside the station. It says

 

Enter for 

(L)

B6 to Bensonhurst

B82 to Coney Island

B82-SBS to Bensonhurst

 

So, maybe it has, maybe it doesn't IDK yet

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20 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many buses are needed for service on each SBS route? (specifically the Manhttan ones out of Quill)

I’m wondering how many standard buses are needed for the B46-SBS compared to how many articulated buses. Same with the B82-SBS.

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1 hour ago, Snorunts said:

I’m wondering how many standard buses are needed for the B46-SBS compared to how many articulated buses. Same with the B82-SBS.

I've observed the B82 SBS and it usually appears to run around 12-16 Buses.

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Looks like the B42 and co. will resume stopping in the Rockaway Parkway bus terminal on Sunday at 10 AM.

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1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many buses are needed for service on each SBS route? (specifically the Manhttan ones out of Quil)

 

1 hour ago, Snorunts said:

I’m wondering how many standard buses are needed for the B46-SBS compared to how many articulated buses. Same with the B82-SBS.

 

If any of you have the Hillman MTA Tracker app, take a look at each relevant period (morning and afternoon rush, midday, weekend, late night, etc) and the route will show the number of buses.

The B6 and the Bx36 run big loads. The B6 is running 23 buses right now at almost 11 PM. I think I've seen it run up to the high 40s in the rush hours.

The B46-SBS has 4 buses right now, but obviously that's not the same as during the rush. B82-SBS has 4 right now.

Right now all the Quill SBS lines above 14th Street (except the M60 with 😎 have 4 buses. The M14D has 9 and the M14A has 8.

It's a quick but rough way to estimate how many buses there are.

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2 hours ago, MTA Bus said:

I passed by there eariler and they put up new signs by the new turnstiles outside the station. It says

 

Enter for 

(L)

B6 to Bensonhurst

B82 to Coney Island

B82-SBS to Bensonhurst

 

So, maybe it has, maybe it doesn't IDK yet

So if the B82 SBS stops behind the turnstiles... Wouldn’t you have to not only swipe your card at the turnstile, but also dip your card at the SBS machine?

Or would everyone that boards at that stop and gets on the SBS have to eat a fine upon being stopped by the popo for not having a receipt?

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Seeing 6117 few days ago on the M14A-SBS with a Quill sticker. At 6 PM by the South Ferry on the M15-SBS, it has a MCH sticker. Seems like it went back and forth with the placing. 

 

Also, 6001 seems to have the regular font display like the other units. The Aesys isn't visible. I wonder when that was changed. 

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19 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many buses are needed for service on each SBS route? (specifically the Manhttan ones out of Quil)

According to schedule (totals):
 

The Bronx:

Bx12 - 30, Bx41- 12: Gun Hill

Bx6- 12: West Farms

 

Brooklyn:

Q44: 40-42: Casey Stengel

Woodhaven Blvd - Q52: 8, Q53: 20

LGA link Q70: 6-8

 

Manhattan: 

M23- 10, M34/A: 12, M79- 14, M86-16 = 52, M14: 40, M60: 22 Pool total: 114/140

M15 out of 146 St: 30-40

 

Staten Island:

S79: 24 out of 52 2019 LFS units 

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I wonder if the MCH and MJQ XD60 swap has something to do with how sluggish the 2019 XD60s are? 

 

Anyways, personally I would've let MCH have the new LFSAs for the M15 SBS, Flatbush have all XD60s for the B44 SBS and soon to be converted B46 SBS, and Quill have the mixed artic fleet. 

 

The DOB is just proof that the MTA isn't getting right anytime soon. 

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3 hours ago, Calvin said:

According to schedule (totals):
 

The Bronx:

Bx12 - 30, Bx41- 12: Gun Hill

Bx6- 12: West Farms

 

Queens: 

Q44: 40-42: Casey Stengel

Woodhaven Blvd - Q52: 8, Q53: 20

LGA link Q70: 6-8

 

Manhattan: 

M23- 10, M34/A: 12, M79- 14, M86-16 = 52, M14: 40, M60: 22 Pool total: 114/140

M15 out of 146 St: 30-40

 

Staten Island:

S79: 24 out of 52 2019 LFS units 

Just corrected you. You forgot to post Brooklyn figures. 

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45 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Just corrected you. You forgot to post Brooklyn figures. 

 

4 hours ago, Calvin said:

According to bus timetables (totals reflected on units each direction added together):
 

The Bronx:

Bx12 - 30, Bx41- 12: Gun Hill

Bx6- 12: West Farms

 

Queens:

Q44: 40-42: Casey Stengel

Woodhaven Blvd - Q52: 8, Q53: 20

LGA link Q70: 6-8

 

Manhattan: 

Michael Quill: M23- 10, M34/A: 12, M79- 14, M86-16 = 52, M14: 40, M60: 22 Pool total: 114/140

M15 out of 146 St: 30-40

 

Staten Island:

Yukon S79: 24 out of 52 2019 LFS units 

Brooklyn (edited):

Flatbush: B44: 22-24 articulated buses, B46: 40 standards **may change soon in articulated mentioning

Oh! The B82 out of East New York-  18 standards out of 22 during the weekday

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33 minutes ago, Calvin said:

 

Brooklyn (edited):

B44: 22-24 articulated buses, B46: 40 standards **may change soon in articulated mentioning

B44-SBS and B46-SBS, correct?

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8 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

B44-SBS and B46-SBS, correct?

Yes. For now. 

 

Also, the unit swap that's going on at MCH and Quill has a thought to if Stengel will get the newer 6100s for mileage purposes

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3 minutes ago, Calvin said:

Yes. For now. 

 

Also, the unit swap that's going on at MCH and Quill has a thought to if Stengel will get the newer 6100s for mileage purposes

That might be a possibility. However, I don’t foresee that. 

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I don't understand what point was on splitting the M15 and M15 SBS into two different routes and depots. Anyone know why they did that?

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6 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

I don't understand what point was on splitting the M15 and M15 SBS into two different routes and depots. Anyone know why they did that?

I believe there's a specific number at Tuskegee Airmen, Besides the artic fleet plus the M31, there are also express buses that rest there during the weekdays so they cannot add more artic buses at the depot. Hale was the option for the Select. 

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4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I don't understand what point was on splitting the M15 and M15 SBS into two different routes and depots. Anyone know why they did that?

 

I want to bet it has something to do with the amount of buses hale can hold but who knows. 

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7 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I don't understand what point was on splitting the M15 and M15 SBS into two different routes and depots. Anyone know why they did that?

the reason was because (in DOB's mindset) there was no feasible way to house all the combined runs on the 15 in one of the two depots mentioned (100 Street & Hale) there are over 50 local runs on the 15, while the select portion of the 15 is over 60 runs... no way could 100 street do upwards of 130 runs on the 101/2/3 AND approx.110 runs between the select & local 15, aside from the number of artics it would take to cover those runs with spares. 100 street can't fit that many buses in house, believe it or not, and if you've ever actually been in that depot, you'd understand this fact. they'd have to park buses on the street for that, and seeing as the community surrounding 100 street despises that building, there's no way they'll tolerate losing parking spots as well. the Bus Company express midday layovers have no bearing on why 100 street houses the runs they currently do or don't. please remember, they stopped that practice for a certain amount of time, and the amount of runs in 100 street didn't increase, nor did employee parking become any easier. which brings me to my next point... there's no way a depot like 100 street could potentially accommodate the amount of bus operators it would take to make that work. 100 street is already rather congested/crowded as is, with the employee parking situation i previously mentioned.

furthermore, DOB didn't want to house the number of artics it would take to accommodate 110 plus runs at Hale, including spares and the M1/7. basically, DOB is doing their best to keep Hale from turning into 100 street depot North, for reasons i previously stated. DOB has no desire to push the amount of buses, runs or employees in & out of that building that conventional wisdom would lend one to believe could feasibly run out of that yard. there was a rumor at one point about all m15 runs being assigned to Quill, but it quickly died on the vine. and before anyone asks "why not Quill" there would be too many dead miles (non revenue miles) from south ferry or from any created short sign/pull in sign from the east side to Quill. they didn't want to break apart paddles and basically divide m15's at 34 street or 42 street (which is why there are no built in m15 (local) short sign paddles to 96 street) the preferred method has always been for uptown yards to handle the 15... and keep the line paddles intact. 

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also, to add to this convo, the reason why it was decided for the local 15 to be assigned to 100 street and not hale is because DOB had to accommodate the significant loss of RDO's/run pay 100 street suffered when they lost the 86 (first to SBS conversion, then to Quill)

the 86 once upon a time, was about the only way a B/O could see S/S (Saturday/Sunday) RDO's with decent run pay in 100 street. being on the M101/2/3 meant you did alot of hard work for a decent (not great) amount of run pay.. but you definitely had (what some would call) "shitty" RDO's (tues/wed, etc... any combination of days off that wasn't Saturday/Sunday or Friday/Saturday)

the 15 local throughout the day (ESPECIALLY the later pm runs (runs 045 and up) pay out (upwards of 9 hours) have a large amount of Saturday/Sunday RDO's, and no interlining, like the 86 used to be (the 86 eventually did interline paddles with the "avenue" (lex & 3rd) but it wasn't heavily utilized. if you did a 86 interlined paddle, it involved you doing at least 2 trips to fort George on the 101)

alot of senior operators pick the local 15 outta 100 street just as they probably would've picked the 86, avoiding the fight for "good" runs on the m101/2/3 altogether.

btw, you'll find quite a few former two-six operators on the 15 local (and the 31) as they refuse to pick anything else at 100 street. 

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39 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

So what did Tuskegee have before the M101/102/103/15 got transferred?

I remember them having the M86 before it turned into an SBS route. I believe they also had the M96.

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