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19 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

Also, nobody ever explained to me why 6695 and 6712 were retired prematurely. Pretty early given the 2005 OGs are still running in BK.

6695 ON THE M1 RN.

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3 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

6695 ON THE M1 RN.

6695 was never retired. I saw it run a couple times throughout these 2 weeks. The only bus that I believe is retired is 6712 which I as you ask why?

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4 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Yeah 7602 and 7610. We'll see if those stick out the weekend. 

^ Edit: jinx!

Also, nobody ever explained to me why 6695 and 6712 were retired prematurely. Pretty early given the 2005 OGs are still running in BK.

Oh speaking of that unit #6695 it's  on the M1 rn.

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2 hours ago, MHV184 said:

6695 was never retired. I saw it run a couple times throughout these 2 weeks. The only bus that I believe is retired is 6712 which I as you ask why?

Wasn't 6803 also retired? Also, the oldest buses in this batch are 14 years old, about when retirement would begin.

Separately, is there a plan for a summer pick, now that NYC is slated to move to Phase 1 on June 8, and likely will be at Phase 2 by summer pick or soon after? (I presume that the B1 articulated conversion would also be on line for summer pick.)

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From most of the times I used the express bus, such as the BM3 to Emmons Av or Manhattan, there's always a "Hello/Hi There" and "How are you?" from each passenger. While on drop offs, a "Thank you" is always given by each passenger getting off the bus. 

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1 hour ago, aemoreira81 said:

Wasn't 6803 also retired? Also, the oldest buses in this batch are 14 years old, about when retirement would begin.

Separately, is there a plan for a summer pick, now that NYC is slated to move to Phase 1 on June 8, and likely will be at Phase 2 by summer pick or soon after? (I presume that the B1 articulated conversion would also be on line for summer pick.)

Staten Island goes back to Winter Pick June 7th and there will be a separate Summer Pick June 28th.

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59 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

4331 is being used as a police bus, I wonder if the person driving the bus is MTA or NYPD?

 

 

 

That bus is trending on Twitter, as the driver didn't want to be the one transporting arrestees (the bus was comandeered off its B41 run) (I'm tempted to say his own safety). The NYPD could easily have requested articulated buses from Flatbush or Gleason (under a police escort) which could better handle those being arrested from the riot at Barclays, to take them up to Rikers. (They do know that the top speed on these buses is 40 mph, right?)

The NYPD knew this could happen...the NYPD could request 7 diesel articulated buses from Quill (for the Foley Square protests) and 7 articulated buses from Gleason and/or Grand Avenue on standby.

Speaking of Grand Avenue... this happened to bus 4720: 

https://twitter.com/KatieVasquezTV/status/1266541252817948679

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50 minutes ago, aemoreira81 said:

 

That bus is trending on Twitter, as the driver didn't want to be the one transporting arrestees (the bus was comandeered off its B41 run) (I'm tempted to say his own safety). The NYPD could easily have requested articulated buses from Flatbush or Gleason (under a police escort) which could better handle those being arrested from the riot at Barclays, to take them up to Rikers. (They do know that the top speed on these buses is 40 mph, right?)

The NYPD knew this could happen...the NYPD could request 7 diesel articulated buses from Quill (for the Foley Square protests) and 7 articulated buses from Gleason and/or Grand Avenue on standby.

Speaking of Grand Avenue... this happened to bus 4720: 

https://twitter.com/KatieVasquezTV/status/1266541252817948679

I just saw this on twitter

 

 

 

Its crazy to see NYC B/O's take such a bold stance, this is historic. 

 

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1 hour ago, aemoreira81 said:

 

That bus is trending on Twitter, as the driver didn't want to be the one transporting arrestees (the bus was comandeered off its B41 run) (I'm tempted to say his own safety). The NYPD could easily have requested articulated buses from Flatbush or Gleason (under a police escort) which could better handle those being arrested from the riot at Barclays, to take them up to Rikers. (They do know that the top speed on these buses is 40 mph, right?)

The NYPD knew this could happen...the NYPD could request 7 diesel articulated buses from Quill (for the Foley Square protests) and 7 articulated buses from Gleason and/or Grand Avenue on standby.

Speaking of Grand Avenue... this happened to bus 4720: 

https://twitter.com/KatieVasquezTV/status/1266541252817948679

The union is refusing to transport ANY arrestees in solidarity with the protests (good for them)

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Good shit. Insane they would commandeer a bus like that and even more insane they'd ask the B/O to drive with 40 people packed in a contained space. Proud of the union. 

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The bus drivers in Minneapolis were the first in refusing to move them.

 

I'm not even understanding why they "asked" in the first place. Don't they have their own schoo- I mean Rikers Island buses?

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Could've swore the TWU fought (as in, filed a lawsuit) against commandeering MTA buses, back during that Occupy Wall Street demonstration.....

In any case, although I could give a damn about any of these protesters, simply put - it's not a city bus driver's place to do the work of a police officer.... Unions protect workers against shit like this.... Had the b/o transported those rioters that got apprehended & got into some accident or something, the NYPD would not be liable..... I mean honestly, NYPD would most certainly feel some type of way if we had vigilante b/o's interfering in any pursuit of some offender of some crime..... I would even argue that the b/o's life would've been further put in danger by transporting those protesters.... I put nothing past NOBODY.

Bus op' did the right thing AFAIC......

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8 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

I'm not even understanding why they "asked" in the first place. Don't they have their own schoo- I mean Rikers Island buses?

Those rickety things would break down halfway to Barclays!

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39 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Could've swore the TWU fought (as in, filed a lawsuit) against commandeering MTA buses, back during that Occupy Wall Street demonstration.....

In any case, although I could give a damn about any of these protesters, simply put - it's not a city bus driver's place to do the work of a police officer.... Unions protect workers against shit like this.... Had the b/o transported those rioters that got apprehended & got into some accident or something, the NYPD would not be liable..... I mean honestly, NYPD would most certainly feel some type of way if we had vigilante b/o's interfering in any pursuit of some offender of some crime..... I would even argue that the b/o's life would've been further put in danger by transporting those protesters.... I put nothing past NOBODY.

Bus op' did the right thing AFAIC......

the bus operator absolutely did the right thing. not just from a morality standpoint, or for some political message. the comandeering of city buses to perform any law enforcement activities is an outdated process, and should be permanently dismantled. and i'm personally thankful that (to my understanding) TWU stands behind the B/O for not operating that bus. there's no way the operator should face any form of disciplinary retaliation 

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2 minutes ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

the bus operator absolutely did the right thing. not just from a morality standpoint, or for some political message. the comandeering of city buses to perform any law enforcement activities is an outdated process, and should be permanently dismantled. and i'm personally thankful that (to my understanding) TWU stands behind the B/O for not operating that bus. there's no way the operator should face any form of disciplinary retaliation 

Quite sure the majority (if not literally all) of those cheering that Flatbush op' for not moving that bus, was from a supportive fist-pumping moralistic or political standpoint..... IDGAF about any of that.....

It's not my job.

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The (MTA) is NOT in the prison transport business, period.

If the NYPD wants to transport their own officers to a certain area (or use the bus as a staging area) that’s one thing, but a bus operator should never transport any perp on their bus, let alone a bus full of perps. 1. That’s not their job, 2. It’s a safety issue because you have “criminals” on your bus, 3. If the bus gets into an accident while you’re performing duties outside your job description, odds are the NYPD, the MTA, the union will not protect you, and unfortunately you’ll need to find a new line of work.

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3 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Those rickety things would break down halfway to Barclays!

At least they can keep up on the highway. That said, if only a TA bus is available, it should be a diesel or CNG articulated bus on standby for that purpose, using volunteer operators. I understand perfectly why a revenue operator in service wouldn't want to do this duty.

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54 minutes ago, paulrivera said:

It’s a safety issue because you have “criminals” on your bus,....

Yeah, that - But it's also a safety issue from the standpoint of (the potential for) having protesters hurl shit at the bus, shoot up the bus, firebomb it, or god knows what else.....

No thanks.

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1 hour ago, aemoreira81 said:

.......That said, if only a TA bus is available, it should be a diesel or CNG articulated bus on standby for that purpose, using volunteer operators. I understand perfectly why a revenue operator in service wouldn't want to do this duty.

I'll take it a little further - if that was a part of the job description, I wouldn't sign up for it..... Transporting thousands of perpetually disgruntled civilians back & forth from work/school/recreation per day, in this city, is draining/taxing enough......

As far as the initial sentiment, given that stipulation, I suppose - but I'm looking at from the angle of *it isn't the MTA's problem if the NYPD's ill-prepared or ill-equipped for some mission*....

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Damn. Things getting heated. A bunch of protestors blocking a bus now. Idk if it’s a MTA bus or a NYPD bus. 

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6 hours ago, aemoreira81 said:

At least they can keep up on the highway. That said, if only a TA bus is available, it should be a diesel or CNG articulated bus on standby for that purpose, using volunteer operators. I understand perfectly why a revenue operator in service wouldn't want to do this duty.

No bus operator should ever operate a bus commandeered by the police with detainees on board--ever. That is not in the job description. Point blank end of discussion.

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If anyone follows Mike (era__vulgaris) on IG, he posted a pic of a hybrid (probably a FP unit) that was hit with anti-MTA graffiti. (At least with the new buses, the side livery is shrink-wrap and could be peeled off and replaced.)

Might it be time to go with BUSmark livery that could be replaced? That is, buses are only painted white (express and local without USB ports), or blue (local with USB ports), and then the appropriate livery is applied. If someone vandalizes the livery, it could simply be peeled off and replaced with fresh BUSmark.

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24 minutes ago, aemoreira81 said:

Might it be time to go with BUSmark livery that could be replaced? That is, buses are only painted white (express and local without USB ports), or blue (local with USB ports), and then the appropriate livery is applied. If someone vandalizes the livery, it could simply be peeled off and replaced with fresh BUSmark.

That's literally what the new livery is.

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5 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

That's literally what the new livery is.

It might not be a bad idea to print the old style livery on BUSMark also...if there's vandalism to it...one can just peel off the vandalized sticker, or apply a new sticker over it.

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