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Speaking of the M125...


All credit goes to transit sylveon hitomi & Willf40ph for the content.

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21 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Ironically, some drivers in the advocacy group complained at first that the (MTA) had no masks or gloves for them and we advocated for them to get them. Now they have them and don't want to wear them.

I can think of several reasons off top as to why that would be the case... The two I'll run with for now are [initially perturbed with masks/gloves being an actual requisite for the job], and/or [they've gotten too comfortable with the front portion of the bus being blocked off, over time].....

Generally speaking to the former, one thing that absolutely pisses me off about any employer/workplace, is not being given the proper tools for the job... Makes it too easy to pin any failures on its workforce.... I have walked off of assignments in the past due to that BS, but that's neither here, nor there.....

17 hours ago, Missabassie said:

Been noticing a lot more bus-stop blocking since this corona-thingy.... Yes its always been an issue, but its gotten much worse from March onward.

I've noticed that also - but as an aside, one thing I'll give any b/o all the credit in the world for, is constantly having to rely on their mirrors..... That would drive me nuts to drive 6,7,8,9+ miles in one direction (alone), pulling out of 'x' amount of curbside stops along the way.... That aspect of the profession is severely underestimated (and IMO, nerve-wracking).... Vast majority of motorists are not defensive drivers.

19 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

Something I was taught as a child. There's always another route home if your primary is blocked. Motor Instructor told my school car class of conductors " people are getting dumber by the day. Next thing you know the C/R will have to take you to your front door" 😀

I'd say it's actually worse than simple stupidity... I'll explain.

I find that far too many commuters put all their eggs in one basket (so to speak)..... I'd even go as far as to say that it likely stems from having a severely poor sense of direction.... I used to chuckle at it, but these days I just find it straight up sad when people run around like chickens with their heads cut off when "their" (rail) line for example, has been delayed to the point of suspension..... Frantically pacing around frenetically to the point of mental & physical exhaustion (I've literally seen people have anxiety attacks at PABT, Penn, Atlantic Terminal, LIRR Jamaica & LIRR Mineola).... I have a story for each of those incidences, but to sum it up, that's what happens when you pigeonhole yourself...

I understand that the general public aren't/wouldn't be as privy as someone that's been a public transit enthusiast (and somewhat of a cartophile) since childhood, but like come on....

But yup, to your ultimate point, there's a saying that goes "all roads lead to Rome" - and boy, does it apply here.

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13 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

 

Generally speaking to the former, one thing that absolutely pisses me off about any employer/workplace, is not being given the proper tools for the job... Makes it too easy to pin any failures on its workforce.... I have walked off of assignments in the past due to that BS, but that's neither here, nor there.....

 

 

Luna Park is famous for this. I've had so much frustration due to lack of tools. 

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Hey guys. It has been awhile since I last commented on any thread. But anyways, I haven’t done train/bus fanning since March 10th. The day before the WHO declared the Coronavirus a pandemic. The last route I did was the Q48. It was an Orion VII NG #4217. That route was great and the operator was quick. Just wanted to make a comment on this thread.

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1 hour ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Speaking of the M125...


All credit goes to transit sylveon hitomi & Willf40ph for the content.

I have a suggestion for the forum here....

Being that we have the heart, the thank you, the confused, the +rep, the laughter, and the sobbing post reactions, maybe we should add 1 more reaction - One for a facepalm....

wA3JsR2.png can be used for the icon.... because AFAIC, it applies here.

1 hour ago, Jdog14 said:

Luna Park is famous for this. I've had so much frustration due to lack of tools. 

I believe you.

Another way these workplaces now are setting people up to fail, is by piling duties onto its workers that have absolutely nothing to do with their trade/area of expertise.... Then charging/shaming you with not being a team player & having a go-getter type of attitude (among other things)... I hear of people getting let go, due to that a lot.... What it is, is that they want a jack-of-all-trades in the workplace, without paying people a "jack-of-all-trades" salary; aka cutting down on overhead, aka being Cheap....

Any employer making sob stories about not finding good workers mindless, spineless ass-kissers, I don't feel sorry for.

1 hour ago, MTAbus677 said:

Hey guys. It has been awhile since I last commented on any thread. But anyways, I haven’t done train/bus fanning since March 10th. The day before the WHO declared the Coronavirus a pandemic. The last route I did was the Q48. It was an Orion VII NG #4217. That route was great and the operator was quick. Just wanted to make a comment on this thread.

Well, enjoy the Q48 while you can - because if what's being proposed in the Queens bus network redesign gets the green light, airport service out of Flushing will become part of the Q50.

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Does anybody know if the Eagle Team still does inspections ever since the local buses became free? Yes, I know you still gotta pay on SBS but if nobody is enforcing that fare....

 

I try to avoid the SBS only because the machines you put your Metrocard in are garbage and there's a good chance your card will get messed up using those machines.

 

Somewhat related, I know of someone (pre pandemic) who farebeated on the SBS and the eagle team cought him, when the eagle team took off of the bus, he took off running! They didn't bother to chase him so he pretty much got away with it LMAO

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2 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Does anybody know if the Eagle Team still does inspections ever since the local buses became free? Yes, I know you still gotta pay on SBS but if nobody is enforcing that fare....

 

I try to avoid the SBS only because the machines you put your Metrocard in are garbage and there's a good chance your card will get messed up using those machines.

 

Somewhat related, I know of someone (pre pandemic) who farebeated on the SBS and the eagle team cought him, when the eagle team took off of the bus, he took off running! They didn't bother to chase him so he pretty much got away with it LMAO

 

I have been told that they aren't allowed to collect the fare (how true that is I don't know)

 

I personally haven't seen them around on the B46 SBS but I still put my card in ( I usually take the train in some fashion during the trip)

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8 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I'd say it's actually worse than simple stupidity... I'll explain.

I find that far too many commuters put all their eggs in one basket (so to speak)..... I'd even go as far as to say that it likely stems from having a severely poor sense of direction.... I used to chuckle at it, but these days I just find it straight up sad when people run around like chickens with their heads cut off when "their" (rail) line for example, has been delayed to the point of suspension..... Frantically pacing around frenetically to the point of mental & physical exhaustion (I've literally seen people have anxiety attacks at PABT, Penn, Atlantic Terminal, LIRR Jamaica & LIRR Mineola).... I have a story for each of those incidences, but to sum it up, that's what happens when you pigeonhole yourself...

I understand that the general public aren't/wouldn't be as privy as someone that's been a public transit enthusiast (and somewhat of a cartophile) since childhood, but like come on....

But yup, to your ultimate point, there's a saying that goes "all roads lead to Rome" - and boy, does it apply here.

The thing is that as urban (or inner suburban) residents, we take for granted that there are generally multiple alternatives. In the suburbs, there are some areas where there's obvious, reasonable alternatives (e.g. @N6 Limited's famous example of a Long Beach resident claiming she was "stranded" in Mineola while an N15 with a "Long Beach" sign passed in the background). But there are a lot of areas where alternatives are difficult to come by (I'm sure you've experienced some of those last trips of the day on SCT where people are frantically trying to make a connection, or realize they already missed the last bus and have to start calling in favors to get a ride home). If someone was stuck at NY Penn Station trying to get to say, Bellport or Port Jefferson (or some far-out suburb in NJ or Orange County where the train runs infrequently even if you can make it to Newark or Hoboken), I could definitely understand feeling stressed. 

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2 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

The thing is that as urban (or inner suburban) residents, we take for granted that there are generally multiple alternatives. In the suburbs, there are some areas where there's obvious, reasonable alternatives (e.g. @N6 Limited's famous example of a Long Beach resident claiming she was "stranded" in Mineola while an N15 with a "Long Beach" sign passed in the background). But there are a lot of areas where alternatives are difficult to come by (I'm sure you've experienced some of those last trips of the day on SCT where people are frantically trying to make a connection, or realize they already missed the last bus and have to start calling in favors to get a ride home). If someone was stuck at NY Penn Station trying to get to say, Bellport or Port Jefferson (or some far-out suburb in NJ or Orange County where the train runs infrequently even if you can make it to Newark or Hoboken), I could definitely understand feeling stressed. 

If there's anything that's being taken for granted, it's public transportation period (regardless if you live in the city or the suburbs)... This isn't about not expecting people to feel stressed.... What I'm getting at, is that people get way too accustomed to one itinerary/commute & as cliche as it sounds, public transit isn't guaranteed to pan out the way you want it to 100% of the time.... That isn't to say that constant delays should be tolerated, but to expect perfection every single time? Ridiculous.... There's a reason some of us on here got annoyed with that dude Axis (or whatever his name was) that kept bitching about the Q44 & the Q113/4 on here.....

That's the shit some people (urbanites, suburbanites, w/e) are on & that's what I'm speaking on with this.....

 

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10 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I used to chuckle at it, but these days I just find it straight up sad when people run around like chickens with their heads cut off when "their" (rail) line for example, has been delayed to the point of suspension..... Frantically pacing around frenetically to the point of mental & physical exhaustion (I've literally seen people have anxiety attacks at PABT, Penn, Atlantic Terminal, LIRR Jamaica & LIRR Mineola).... I have a story for each of those incidences, but to sum it up, that's what happens when you pigeonhole yourself...

I understand that the general public aren't/wouldn't be as privy as someone that's been a public transit enthusiast (and somewhat of a cartophile) since childhood, but like come on....

But yup, to your ultimate point, there's a saying that goes "all roads lead to Rome" - and boy, does it apply here.

the main complaint I get from other students from my school is "I had to wait an hour just for the <insert line here> to show up," and though cognizant of the delay schedule, people never seem to want to pursue alternatives. idk why tbh, you'd save yourself a lot of time (though with how unpredictable service changes are, maybe staying on that train would be faster, you never know)

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11 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

I have a suggestion for the forum here....

Being that we have the heart, the thank you, the confused, the +rep, the laughter, and the sobbing post reactions, maybe we should add 1 more reaction - One for a facepalm....

wA3JsR2.png can be used for the icon.... because AFAIC, it applies here.

 

The thing that gets me more than the M125 destinations is that one word neighborhood destinations is becoming more popular within the MTA. This agency was never too fond with providing passengers with enough information anyways. They instead do away with any useful info expecting everyone to be a pro at navigating around the city. If it’s my first time in NY riding the M14, how useful is a one word neighborhood destination like “M14A Westside” or “Q44 Jamaica”. These areas are large as it is, at least provide the street it ends at like they did before. In some cases it makes sense like “M15 South Ferry” because it’s a specific location within an area but just having “M125 Manhattanville or “Q44 Jamaica” is just pitiful in my opinion. 

Guess we should be expecting more one word destinations when the redesigns roll out. 

 

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3 hours ago, Q43LTD said:

Staten Island and the Bronx already do it. 

Shoot now that I think about it a lot of short turns in Queens just say a street name. Instead of saying “Q25 Flushing-Main St Station” it says “Q25 Roosevelt Av”. Or “Q27 Jamaica Av” instead of “Q27 Queens Village-LIRR”. I just don’t get why this agency isn’t a fan of things being uniform. 

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@B35 via Church Well, that and the blatant lying/exaggeration, talking about how he missed the last Q44 of the night on a 24/7 route.

@NewFlyer 230 I don't think that's a huge issue TBH. Crosstowns run east-west, so if you're on 14th Street and see a bus that says "Westside" you have a general idea of where the bus will take you. Jamaica is a huge hub with different portions (Jamaica Center, LIRR station, 179th Street/Hillside) but at the same time, you at least know it'll get you to that general area.

What I liked about the SIM redesign is that they added "via" to every single route, so you know what the main corridor is that it serves (so for example the X17A said "Annadale Rd" and "Downtown/Worth Street". Now it says "Annadale -> via Richmond Avenue" and "Downtown/Worth Street -> via Church Street". So you know that on Staten Island it runs down Richmond Avenue, and in Manhattan, it serves the center of Downtown along Church Street. (And that's also an advantage of straightening out the routes: It makes it easier to define a route as the (**insert corridor here**) route)

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9 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

If it’s my first time in NY riding the M14, how useful is a one word neighborhood destination like “M14A Westside” or “Q44 Jamaica”. These areas are large as it is, at least provide the street it ends at like they did before. In some cases it makes sense like “M15 South Ferry” because it’s a specific location within an area but just having “M125 Manhattanville or “Q44 Jamaica” is just pitiful in my opinion. 

Yeah i still don't understand why the M14A changed from "Abingdon Sq" to "West Side" or why so many new codes just use street corners like "M5 31 St 6 Av" "M7 14 St-6 Av" or "M55 44 St 6 Av"

We know that [neighborhood/street] works and they really need to get back to that...

"M1 SoHo Grand St" "M5 Herald Sq 31 St" "M7 Chelsea 14 St" "M55 Bryant Park 44 St" etc etc

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10 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

the main complaint I get from other students from my school is "I had to wait an hour just for the <insert line here> to show up," and though cognizant of the delay schedule, people never seem to want to pursue alternatives. idk why tbh, you'd save yourself a lot of time (though with how unpredictable service changes are, maybe staying on that train would be faster, you never know)

Right... It's that reluctance that I'm getting at, in conjunction with the whole fish out of water shit (analogously speaking)......

4 hours ago, Q43LTD said:

Staten Island and the Bronx already do it. 

...and there should be less of it.

8 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

The thing that gets me more than the M125 destinations is that one word neighborhood destinations is becoming more popular within the MTA. This agency was never too fond with providing passengers with enough information anyways. They instead do away with any useful info expecting everyone to be a pro at navigating around the city. If it’s my first time in NY riding the M14, how useful is a one word neighborhood destination like “M14A Westside” or “Q44 Jamaica”. These areas are large as it is, at least provide the street it ends at like they did before. In some cases it makes sense like “M15 South Ferry” because it’s a specific location within an area but just having “M125 Manhattanville or “Q44 Jamaica” is just pitiful in my opinion. 

Guess we should be expecting more one word destinations when the redesigns roll out.

At one point, they were getting a little better with being more informative with the destination signs, but yeah, I guess they're going to make the one-line shit reign prominent in the future....

The reason for my reply (the whole spiel regarding facepalming) though, was based on the soon-to-be be existence of the route itself.... The M101 can R.I.P. for all I care, but IDRC for the neutering of the Bx15 & the M100 to justify the thing......

52 minutes ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

@B35 via Church Well, that and the blatant lying/exaggeration, talking about how he missed the last Q44 of the night on a 24/7 route.

@NewFlyer 230 I don't think that's a huge issue TBH. Crosstowns run east-west, so if you're on 14th Street and see a bus that says "Westside" you have a general idea of where the bus will take you. Jamaica is a huge hub with different portions (Jamaica Center, LIRR station, 179th Street/Hillside) but at the same time, you at least know it'll get you to that general area.

What I liked about the SIM redesign is that they added "via" to every single route, so you know what the main corridor is that it serves (so for example the X17A said "Annadale Rd" and "Downtown/Worth Street". Now it says "Annadale -> via Richmond Avenue" and "Downtown/Worth Street -> via Church Street". So you know that on Staten Island it runs down Richmond Avenue, and in Manhattan, it serves the center of Downtown along Church Street. (And that's also an advantage of straightening out the routes: It makes it easier to define a route as the (**insert corridor here**) route)

The irony of the point that NewFlyer's ultimately raising, is the redundancy of even displaying the word "crosstown" on the destination signs.... It's one thing for the expresses to display Midtown or Downtown, but it's excessive for the Manhattan crosstown routes to display crosstown on them.... Just have them read "via ___ st" and be done with it....

I shouldn't have to assume where in what neighborhood some bus route terminates at, nor should I have to assume that the route number of a crosstown bus route corresponds to the street it primarily runs along...... The former is clearly not solely an MTA issue, but it is inclusive.....

Your point about adding via's to all the SIM routes, should be the standard for every single bus route in the city (two "via's" max.) - Which segues into a point I'm going to make here...... While IDC much for the one-line shit that NewFlyer's pointing out either, the issue I more have with the MTA with these destination signs, are the lack of overall  uniformity (e/g B35 & B70 at Sunset Park.... B35 has "Sunset Park 1 av" & the B70 has "Sunset Park 39 st - 1 av".... Same exact terminal & they both run out of JG & this isn't remotely a new thing either.... Not to say that both should have one-over-the-other, but the destination sign should read the exact same thing for both).....

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9 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

While IDC much for the one-line shit that NewFlyer's pointing out either, the issue I more have with the MTA with these destination signs, are the lack of overall  uniformity (e/g B35 & B70 at Sunset Park.... B35 has "Sunset Park 1 av" & the B70 has "Sunset Park 39 st - 1 av".... Same exact terminal & they both run out of JG & this isn't remotely a new thing either.... Not to say that both should have one-over-the-other, but the destination sign should read the exact same thing for both).....

At one point they were uniform, and then they chose to change the B11 and B70 signs to specify which street they terminate at (since both routes cross each other). All three lines used to say Sunset Park 1 Av at one point but now the B11 reads Sunset Park 58 St-1 Av and the B70 reads Sunset Park 39 St-1 Av.

 IIRC they changed it around 2008-ish. 

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40 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Yeah i still don't understand why the M14A changed from "Abingdon Sq" to "West Side" or why so many new codes just use street corners like "M5 31 St 6 Av" "M7 14 St-6 Av" or "M55 44 St 6 Av"

We know that [neighborhood/street] works and they really need to get back to that...

"M1 SoHo Grand St" "M5 Herald Sq 31 St" "M7 Chelsea 14 St" "M55 Bryant Park 44 St" etc etc

 News to me that it reads West Side now..... This is the lack of uniformity I'm talking about..... They're running roughshod with these destination signs.

Even if the notion behind that change had anything to do with Abingdon sq. (as a destination) not being all that popular, to bastardize it by displaying "West Side" takes the cake.... But I bet anything the M23 still displays "Chelsea Piers 12 av", the M34 still displays "Javits Center 12 av", and the M42 still displays "West Side Pier 12 av" <_<

I'm done if, in the future for the crosstown routes, the destination signs start simply showing "West Side" → "Crosstown" (and "East Side" → "Crosstown" for the opposite direction)....

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2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

 News to me that it reads West Side now..... This is the lack of uniformity I'm talking about..... They're running roughshod with these destination signs.

Even if the notion behind that change had anything to do with Abingdon sq. (as a destination) not being all that popular, to bastardize it by displaying "West Side" takes the cake.... But I bet anything the M23 still displays "Chelsea Piers 12 av", the M34 still displays "Javits Center 12 av", and the M42 still displays "West Side Pier 12 av" <_<

I'm done if, in the future for the crosstown routes, the destination signs start simply showing "West Side" → "Crosstown" (and "East Side" → "Crosstown" for the opposite direction)....

Anybody remember when the Q42 said Sayres Av-180 St? Q83 saying 227 St-114 Av via Liberty? Bx36 saying Olmstead Av-Randall Av? The Bx5, 11, 27 and 35 still saying West Farms Rd-Southern Bl? (I think it should be Longwood-West Farms Rd. That's what the schedules say) So the M14A says West Side? OK, where on the West Side do you end? The piers or West End Av? When I was considering revamping the Manhattan sign codes, I got rid of Crosstown, East Side and West Side and gave the routes actual neighborhoods. All moot now since there's a redesign a-comin'

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4 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

Shoot now that I think about it a lot of short turns in Queens just say a street name. Instead of saying “Q25 Flushing-Main St Station” it says “Q25 Roosevelt Av”. Or “Q27 Jamaica Av” instead of “Q27 Queens Village-LIRR”. I just don’t get why this agency isn’t a fan of things being uniform. 

I am a fan of things being uniform. That was my feeling when all the ex PBL's were taken over. For example, if the Q46 says Kew Gardens-Queens Bl, the Q10 should say the same thing

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38 minutes ago, Q43LTD said:

Anybody remember when the Q42 said Sayres Av-180 St? Q83 saying 227 St-114 Av via Liberty? Bx36 saying Olmstead Av-Randall Av? The Bx5, 11, 27 and 35 still saying West Farms Rd-Southern Bl? (I think it should be Longwood-West Farms Rd. That's what the schedules say) So the M14A says West Side? OK, where on the West Side do you end? The piers or West End Av? When I was considering revamping the Manhattan sign codes, I got rid of Crosstown, East Side and West Side and gave the routes actual neighborhoods. All moot now since there's a redesign a-comin'

Yep, I remember all of those....

Just for the hell of it, how would you revamp the EB destination signs for the M66 , M72, and M96 ?

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Bus 7397 on the Q20 now scrolls "essential workers" and masks required" on the destination sign besides the usual Q20 info

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1 hour ago, QM1to6Ave said:

Bus 7397 on the Q20 now scrolls "essential workers" and masks required" on the destination sign besides the usual Q20 info

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1 hour ago, QM1to6Ave said:

Bus 7397 on the Q20 now scrolls "essential workers" and masks required" on the destination sign besides the usual Q20 info

what happens if you go on a bus and not an essential worker? The pandemic is almost over most likely. Why be so strict? Especially if they wear masks.

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