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45 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

Of course agree with all the above.

Not for nothing, and getting off topic, but one day the whole city is gonna have to have a reckoning about what happened to Mr. Goble. That was one of the most horrific – but also the most heroic – events in recent memory and just about the whole public and news media ignored it because the covid business was just getting bad at that point. I don't know if it'll be the form of a movie, report, biopic whathaveyou but that's one of the most moving and ultimately tragic stories I can think of in years, and I have to think it's going to get revisited and taken seriously at some point. Somehow most of NYC just ignored it when it happened and the details never even made it out. Think those kids should get to know that their father was a hero, if you ask me. I understand he was never even given a proper funeral due to the covid situation.

100% agree with this. What is the latest on the investigation? I haven't seen any updates recently, not surprisingly, and that was such a crazy time I can't even remember if they caught a suspect or not.

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Too many transitfans are treating this hobby like it's some sort of Tumblr fan-fiction. 

No, the train is not fine. Neither is the human who died in the fire, but sure, care more about the train.

Yes, it can be really annoying to be constantly DMed or messaged in private about the upcoming bus orders from the year 2045.

 

People have got to understand that buses and trains aren't some sort of cartoon or TV show. Most people who drive and operate them just want to work.

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33 minutes ago, QM1to6Ave said:

100% agree with this. What is the latest on the investigation? I haven't seen any updates recently, not surprisingly, and that was such a crazy time I can't even remember if they caught a suspect or not.

They caught the person responsible for the fire.

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1 hour ago, EastFlatbushLarry said:

give thanks for the sentiments expressed...

by the way... VEHEMENTLY DISCOURAGED by union and management.

re: info sharing... so many decent people have disappeared out of shear self respect, an outright refusal to bicker online with individuals who THINK they have all the answers... injecting fantasy threads in the middle of legit conversations where individuals are attempting to decipher validity on the subject matter... utter nonsense & clutter that devalues the most simplistic form of information trading via electronic devices. it gets to a point where rotten apples will spoil the bunch. in my personal opinion, I expected more tact and dare I say class from people here. I've been truly disappointed in the way things have gone down... aside from other snide remarks & fake tough guy routines (by the way, i don't buy or sell wolf/woof tickets, so miss me with THAT bullshit) i saw that (2) train thread where the brother T/O lost his life... absolutely abhorrent. 

Grandiose sense of entitlement & a severe lack of boundaries, basically.

1 hour ago, MHV9218 said:

Of course agree with all the above.

Not for nothing, and getting off topic, but one day the whole city is gonna have to have a reckoning about what happened to Mr. Goble. That was one of the most horrific – but also the most heroic – events in recent memory and just about the whole public and news media ignored it because the covid business was just getting bad at that point. I don't know if it'll be the form of a movie, report, biopic whathaveyou but that's one of the most moving and ultimately tragic stories I can think of in years, and I have to think it's going to get revisited and taken seriously at some point. Somehow most of NYC just ignored it when it happened and the details never even made it out. Think those kids should get to know that their father was a hero, if you ask me. I understand he was never even given a proper funeral due to the covid situation.

Underrated point.... Props.

re: funeral...

That thought crossed my mind when a distant family member on my cousin's side of the family (I didn't know who she was, but still RIP) had passed away back in April.... Like wait a minute, how are they going to commemorate her when there aren't any funeral homes open.... I mean, I get the whole flattening the curve bit, but at the same time, find it f***ed up that no real type of service could be had for a dead relative or whatever, during the lockdown & all.....

As it all pertains to Goble, I can see there being some sort of documentary or something in the future about him.... Just hope it isn't tastefully/cheaply/lazily done.

34 minutes ago, QM1to6Ave said:

100% agree with this. What is the latest on the investigation? I haven't seen any updates recently, not surprisingly, and that was such a crazy time I can't even remember if they caught a suspect or not.

Avinger the arsonist was apprehended... Apparently he's also facing charges for a fire he set outside one of those Columbia U. buildings along W. 125th (just west of the (1))....

25 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

Yes, it can be really annoying to be constantly DMed or messaged in private about the upcoming bus orders from the year 2045.

...and not even be appreciative of whatever info you do get.

Sit up there asking 50 million questions & still not end up being satisfied....

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22 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said:

So I still never rode the 4700s, but on YouTube, I noticed 4756 has a different transmission set up. I thought it was a ZF bus for a second, but then I realized it makes the air release sound just before coming to a stop. It almost reminds me of the first type of LBSS that the 4800s that gave them that ZF type shifting. 

Did other Allison 4700s have this ZF style shifting, or is 4756 a unique bus? 

 

Start this video at: 0:25, 0:59, and 1:36. 

 

Start this one at 0:11 and 1:49. 

 

And start this one at 1:09, and 2:32. 

 

Best way check if the transmission was updated Allison is looking at the transmission selector keypad. Also it sounds like normal brake release from a dead stop.(This XD60 may have the brake hold feature when coming to a stop)

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17 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I noticed that the old MTA Bus stop signs are slowly being replaced with the updated signs that all NYCT routes have. It seems to be more of a random process but none the less it’s about time. 
 

There is a different funding process for the (MTA) Bus bus stops versus the NYCT ones, which is part of the problem.

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9 hours ago, GojiMet86 said:

Too many transitfans are treating this hobby like it's some sort of Tumblr fan-fiction. 

No, the train is not fine. Neither is the human who died in the fire, but sure, care more about the train.

Yes, it can be really annoying to be constantly DMed or messaged in private about the upcoming bus orders from the year 2045.

 

People have got to understand that buses and trains aren't some sort of cartoon or TV show. Most people who drive and operate them just want to work.

Thank you. The same goes for discussions on transit expansions and operations. A lot of people act as if the transit system is their personal train set, and that the employees and managers in the system should operate as they want. R32s on the B, complaining about the Coney Island subway swap, asking for insider information on subway car swaps, the inside scoop on bus swaps, the bus redesign, and so on. I am not going to name names, but I know people on here who have left or reduced posting due to the reduction in quality of discussions on transit issues on things that are more important than railfanning, like operational fixes to increase capacity. NYCTF and other transit boards have continued to decline as people go to Twitter and Facebook where they can discuss issues with an audience broader than foamers, but also with subway riders and advocates who just want to get to work on time.

A lot of people here claim to want to become transit planners or become the "next Andy Byford," but their comments do not suggest that. They get turned off by paragraphs-long discussions on actual ways to improve service, about discussions on the MTA's finances, and prefer to complain about a change in rolling stock assignments or propose asinine and unrealistic extensions to the subway system that do not contribute to any competent and insightful discussion. I get it, a lot of users here are railfans who are in high school and love the rolling stock. I do too, and I have grown past just foaming over R32s, and have learned more about transit operations, and other aspects of transportation planning. I love NYCTF for the discussions with knowledgable people in New York City Transit who have had first-hand knowledge about the operations of the system and who make poignant comments on the state of transit today, and with other passionate people on the forums who discuss issues with the subway and bus system and engage in thoughtful responses to my queries. These discussions have decreased in number since I came onto the forums, and it is very sad. As a result, I have been sending less time on here. I try to bring attention to information from the MTA Board books, the Capital Program dashboard, bus lane changes from the DOT website, and discuss proposals I have, or provide my two cents on an issue. Though I am something privy to inside information, those occasions are rare. There are ways to contribute without having to pretend to be an insider.

For a lot of users on here, when you go railfanning, see whether trains are on schedule, think about why that is. Are platforms crowded, are there accessibility issues? Is your train stuck at a location for a long time? If you just want to post here to talk about your observations while railfanning or discus which cars are best, fine. However, realize that the transit system was not made for you. It was made to transport people across the city efficiently and affordably. Don't feel entitled to information which you don't have the right to get. Don't complain or interrupt when people are having substantive discussions on ways to improve the system.

I could rant for longer, but I hope that many users her give this a read and think about it.

 

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9 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

They caught the person responsible for the fire.

I hadn't heard anything about this. Is there any public information on this?

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11 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

re: funeral...

That thought crossed my mind when a distant family member on my cousin's side of the family (I didn't know who she was, but still RIP) had passed away back in April.... Like wait a minute, how are they going to commemorate her when there aren't any funeral homes open.... I mean, I get the whole flattening the curve bit, but at the same time, find it f***ed up that no real type of service could be had for a dead relative or whatever, during the lockdown & all.....

Yes, I know a lot of people now who have found themselves in this boat in March/April/May- basically, not allowed to say goodbye and commemorate their loved ones who have passed, not allowed to go to church to say a prayer and light a candle.  It hits a raw nerve and is why I find shallow, BS phrases like "new normal" and "we're in this together" so infuriating.  This can't go on indefinitely.

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2 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Thank you. The same goes for discussions on transit expansions and operations. A lot of people act as if the transit system is their personal train set, and that the employees and managers in the system should operate as they want. R32s on the B, complaining about the Coney Island subway swap, asking for insider information on subway car swaps, the inside scoop on bus swaps, the bus redesign, and so on. I am not going to name names, but I know people on here who have left or reduced posting due to the reduction in quality of discussions on transit issues on things that are more important than railfanning, like operational fixes to increase capacity. NYCTF and other transit boards have continued to decline as people go to Twitter and Facebook where they can discuss issues with an audience broader than foamers, but also with subway riders and advocates who just want to get to work on time.

A lot of people here claim to want to become transit planners or become the "next Andy Byford," but their comments do not suggest that. They get turned off by paragraphs-long discussions on actual ways to improve service, about discussions on the MTA's finances, and prefer to complain about a change in rolling stock assignments or propose asinine and unrealistic extensions to the subway system that do not contribute to any competent and insightful discussion.

I was going to add my two cents to this discussion but you, @EastFlatbushLarry, @B35 via Church, and others seem have that covered.

Particularly in regards to your post, I found the subways proposals/ideas thread to be a good place to discuss complicated operational issues before it got overrun with nonsense create-your-own-route proposals and now I just don't bother. Part of the reason why it is so easy to leave spaces like NYCTF is that I can get the same information and have thoughtful discussion about operational minutiae elsewhere without the drivel and headaches.

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34 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Part of the reason why it is so easy to leave spaces like NYCTF is that I can get the same information and have thoughtful discussion about operational minutiae elsewhere without the drivel and headaches.

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In general, over the decades, the transit fan community in New York City and the United States has largely gone from discussing not just the history of the lines and the mechanics of the vehicles themselves to talking about how cool the sound of a door is. I say NYC and the US because I've noticed the British rail and bus spotters tend to be more in tune with that engineering part of the hobby. If you take a look at older transit publications and magazines, you'll notice more discussion on the mechanical side than what you see now.

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3 hours ago, Union Tpke said:

Thank you. The same goes for discussions on transit expansions and operations. A lot of people act as if the transit system is their personal train set, and that the employees and managers in the system should operate as they want. R32s on the B, complaining about the Coney Island subway swap, asking for insider information on subway car swaps, the inside scoop on bus swaps, the bus redesign, and so on. I am not going to name names, but I know people on here who have left or reduced posting due to the reduction in quality of discussions on transit issues on things that are more important than railfanning, like operational fixes to increase capacity. NYCTF and other transit boards have continued to decline as people go to Twitter and Facebook where they can discuss issues with an audience broader than foamers, but also with subway riders and advocates who just want to get to work on time.

A lot of people here claim to want to become transit planners or become the "next Andy Byford," but their comments do not suggest that. They get turned off by paragraphs-long discussions on actual ways to improve service, about discussions on the MTA's finances, and prefer to complain about a change in rolling stock assignments or propose asinine and unrealistic extensions to the subway system that do not contribute to any competent and insightful discussion. I get it, a lot of users here are railfans who are in high school and love the rolling stock. I do too, and I have grown past just foaming over R32s, and have learned more about transit operations, and other aspects of transportation planning. I love NYCTF for the discussions with knowledgable people in New York City Transit who have had first-hand knowledge about the operations of the system and who make poignant comments on the state of transit today, and with other passionate people on the forums who discuss issues with the subway and bus system and engage in thoughtful responses to my queries. These discussions have decreased in number since I came onto the forums, and it is very sad. As a result, I have been sending less time on here. I try to bring attention to information from the MTA Board books, the Capital Program dashboard, bus lane changes from the DOT website, and discuss proposals I have, or provide my two cents on an issue. Though I am something privy to inside information, those occasions are rare. There are ways to contribute without having to pretend to be an insider.

For a lot of users on here, when you go railfanning, see whether trains are on schedule, think about why that is. Are platforms crowded, are there accessibility issues? Is your train stuck at a location for a long time? If you just want to post here to talk about your observations while railfanning or discus which cars are best, fine. However, realize that the transit system was not made for you. It was made to transport people across the city efficiently and affordably. Don't feel entitled to information which you don't have the right to get. Don't complain or interrupt when people are having substantive discussions on ways to improve the system.

I could rant for longer, but I hope that many users her give this a read and think about it.

The thing about all that complaining is that it appears to be for the simple sake of it, as opposed to wanting to delve into deeper (or "paragraphs long", which is used as a shaming tactic) discussions... It's easier to complain & apparently more difficult to muse about solutions.... Of course we're going to have different opinions/mindsets/ideals on what & how public transit in this city should resemble, but I'm less interested in what fleet should run on what line & more interested in improving the quality of public transit for the masses (not just for myself).... Although not completely insignificant, sometimes I think people get way too caught up in aesthetics & lose sight of (what should be) the end goal.....

I'm not trying to be intentionally insensitive with this, but I tend to question what level of *give-a-damn* people really have about the intricacies & the logistics of public transit on here.... Whatever is whatever, but this isn't just a chill spot for me.... This forum (nor the internet, as a whole) is wholly representative of the extent of how much research/learning I do, on my own accord....

3 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

In general, over the decades, the transit fan community in New York City and the United States has largely gone from discussing not just the history of the lines and the mechanics of the vehicles themselves to talking about how cool the sound of a door is. I say NYC and the US because I've noticed the British rail and bus spotters tend to be more in tune with that engineering part of the hobby. If you take a look at older transit publications and magazines, you'll notice more discussion on the mechanical side than what you see now.

Yep, I've pointed that out a couple of times on here... While not entirely their fault, the younger folks are too caught up in the technological aspect of everything & just about a complete lack of interest & acknowledgment with anything historical....

55 minutes ago, R10 2952 said:

Yes, I know a lot of people now who have found themselves in this boat in March/April/May- basically, not allowed to say goodbye and commemorate their loved ones who have passed, not allowed to go to church to say a prayer and light a candle.  It hits a raw nerve and is why I find shallow, BS phrases like "new normal" and "we're in this together" so infuriating.

Don't get me started with that new normal shit....

37 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

I was going to add my two cents to this discussion but you, @EastFlatbushLarry, @B35 via Church, and others seem have that covered.

Particularly in regards to your post, I found the subways proposals/ideas thread to be a good place to discuss complicated operational issues before it got overrun with nonsense create-your-own-route proposals and now I just don't bother. Part of the reason why it is so easy to leave spaces like NYCTF is that I can get the same information and have thoughtful discussion about operational minutiae elsewhere without the drivel and headaches.

This is more of a problem in the bus section (compared to the subway section), but what bothers me is that people will post ideas, ask for opinions - but will give lame/lazy answers (or worse, catch an attitude) when asked what their rationale is behind those ideas.... I don't get that - if I'm going to pose a proposal, best believe I can break down why I came to the conclusion that I did.... What & where is the difficulty in that?? Something else that I find troubling is that people tend to not take disagreements all that well & are rather aversive to formulating counterarguments.... *It's not that serious* & *Because I said so* are not arguments, I'm sorry.

RD had the right idea/blueprint in (wanting to) welcome the everyday straphanger to the discussion forums - but of course, that turned into what it did, before it eventually went defunct..... I like reading about people's travels & there's not too much of that being shared anymore....

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46 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said:

In general, over the decades, the transit fan community in New York City and the United States has largely gone from discussing not just the history of the lines and the mechanics of the vehicles themselves to talking about how cool the sound of a door is. I say NYC and the US because I've noticed the British rail and bus spotters tend to be more in tune with that engineering part of the hobby. If you take a look at older transit publications and magazines, you'll notice more discussion on the mechanical side than what you see now.

I'd say this is a mix NYC railfans not volunteering at those Trolley museums like shore line, etc. The Subway cars at those museums is maintained by volunteers and that's how one would get inner knowledge of how subway cars work.

 

 

That, and people work in Car Equipment and the mechanics who work on buses at depots rarely ever post on forums. Most buffs who want to work for transit apply for the same three job titles ( T/O C/R or B/O ) and posters who work in transit who post on forums usually work those same three job titles as well lol

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47 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

Most buffs who want to work for transit apply for the same three job titles ( T/O C/R or B/O ) and posters who work in transit who post on forums usually work those same three job titles as well lol

Haha mostly true, although I could've sworn there was a car inspector somewhere on here 10 years ago or so...

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Facebook is okay, but the (transit-related) discussions are just limited to basically one sentence. The (transit-related) back-and-forth style isn't prominent as it is on the Forums or SubChat.

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3 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Something else that I find troubling is that people tend to not take disagreements all that well & are rather aversive to formulating counterarguments.... *It's not that serious* & *Because I said so* are not arguments, I'm sorry.

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2 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

Haha mostly true, although I could've sworn there was a car inspector somewhere on here 10 years ago or so...

There was one who posted here in the early stages of the R179 order and told us about overzealous railfans calling Pikin Yard to see if the 179s were coming out for testing that day... and railfans who weren't TA employees straight up going to the security booth at Pikin asking if they could see the 179s.

 

 

I wonder how much transitbuff f***ery that happens that never makes it to forums or Facebook...

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Man, I remember that. Now most of them are young teens who cannot seem to differentiate between what I called fan-fiction above and serious work. Of course, I said most are TEENS, because some of older dudes are just as crap.

Calling and tweeting a State run Agency for trivial stuff like what times are the R32s going to leave the station is just...a little mind-numbing. Or how about our favorite TSS who keeps hogging the RFW on the R32/R42s and tweets out things that may or may not get train operators in trouble?

There is a disconnect with reality.

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The Bx99 has no business ending in the West Village..... It'd have made much more sense ending the thing where the old M5 used to (W. Houston/LaGuardia Pl.).....

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1 hour ago, B35 via Church said:

The Bx99 has no business ending in the West Village..... It'd have made much more sense ending the thing where the old M5 used to (W. Houston/LaGuardia Pl.).....

I agree however lets see what nonsensical definition of the boundaries of the West Village the MTA/DOT are using before judging

(they did once call the same terminus Bath Beach and Bensonhurst simultaneously)

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1 hour ago, Around the Horn said:

I agree however lets see what nonsensical definition of the boundaries of the West Village the MTA/DOT are using before judging

(they did once call the same terminus Bath Beach and Bensonhurst simultaneously)

 

47 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

Speaking about absurd neighborhood boundaries, it bothers me that they claim the Bx36 terminal (at Olmstead Avenue) is in Soundview.

Isn’t the B25 situation with the DUMBO/Fulton Landing terminal at Front Street being labeled as Downtown Brooklyn similar to those situations?

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