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It seems most of the people in this thread either drive or (of course) use public transportation, but does anyone actually bike? If so, then you'd know that biker culture, consisting of not stopping at red lights, is rampant. Some do it more carefully than others, treating the red light as a stop sign and looking both ways to see if they could actually keep going or not, but imo the only way that will stop is from enforcement. You can throw as many lights and cameras as you want, but w/o enforcing the rules, incidents and the skipping of red lights will keep happening. The other question is... by how much should these rules be enforced? I imagine that if police began ticketing every biker who skipped a red light even if it wasn't a danger to others on the road, the bikers would get pretty annoyed. Not saying that they should be skipping lights, but it wouldn't be that big of a problem if they would be a bit more careful about it. Also, this begs the question--should bikers have to go through the same training and license acquisition as car drivers so that they would learn how to actually follow the rules of the road? lol

11 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Bikers, who lead to a fatality maybe once every six years, can be our focus with after we tackle car fatalities, which lead to a dozen dead bikers, 130 dead pedestrians, and 50 or so dead drivers each year. Proportionality – don't miss the forest for the trees.

OK, but of those dozen biker fatalities, how do you know that the problem was not caused by a lack of care from the bikers themselves?

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On 1/3/2021 at 12:13 PM, GojiMet86 said:

One of these SBA/PBA dupes thought he and his family could park there because he had that membership card. We spent 5 minutes arguing about it, and he insisted he could park anywhere he wanted to, total bs.

So I've never had sympathy for these jackasses.

I stopped having sympathy for them many years ago.  When I was 12, some punk stole my bike from in front of a supermarket in Queens; store had camera footage of the act, but NYPD never even bothered- they closed the case after 3 days.  And then of course you hear these stories break about the ticket-fixing scandals, bribery, the above-the-law mentality, other BS and so on.

Maybe there are a few good cops (who knows), but too many of them act like just another street gang when it comes to who they choose to help.  If I had been somebody's cousin, the bike would've turned up instantly probably....

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2 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Although the majority of buses I've seen still has it displayed, I'm also noticing an increasing amount of buses (regardless of borough) removing those two messages from the destination signage....

They're not removed, they're PR messages that have to be input separately from the destination sign. I stopped bothering with it because the destination signs take too long to cycle and getting constantly bombarded with the same questions about what route I am despite going in the direction posted on the bus stop get annoying...

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23 minutes ago, SoSpectacular said:

They're not removed, they're PR messages that have to be input separately from the destination sign. I stopped bothering with it because the destination signs take too long to cycle and getting constantly bombarded with the same questions about what route I am despite going in the direction posted on the bus stop get annoying...

I mean you could be a short-turn or some other route on the pole for all they know. 

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2 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

If so, then you'd know that biker culture, consisting of not stopping at red lights, is rampant. Some do it more carefully than others, treating the red light as a stop sign and looking both ways to see if they could actually keep going or not, but imo the only way that will stop is from enforcement.

It's called an Idaho Stop or something like that.

But very few bike riders actually do it correctly, or for situations where pedestrians are in the intersection or crossing a right-of-way.

Of all the examples we can think of, the one that truly sticks out to me is this woman riding the wrong way on Met Av at Union Av in W'burg, got broadsided by a box truck that had the green light on Union, and she berated the driver before getting back on her bike and continuing.

That made me "anti-cyclist" over every other incident where I almost got run over by one because the entitlement of this woman is emblematic of much of the city bike lobby - that they don't have to follow rules of the road and they're never at fault in incidents.

That can never be codified into law or implemented into citation-writing.

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4 hours ago, Deucey said:

Does make me wonder what the fare evasion rate is now...

If it's better than before, might be worth it to keep that message in the display.

LOL! It is going to take way more than a message in a mere destination sign (that folks barely/rarely/ever read in the first place) to decrease the rate of farebeating in a culture where it's widely pervasive in... Although I will say, that ought to make the Eagle Team feel like shit, if a message in a destination sign can go ways to deter system-wide farebeating.

4 hours ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

It seems most of the people in this thread either drive or (of course) use public transportation, but does anyone actually bike? If so, then you'd know that biker culture, consisting of not stopping at red lights, is rampant. Some do it more carefully than others, treating the red light as a stop sign and looking both ways to see if they could actually keep going or not, but imo the only way that will stop is from enforcement. You can throw as many lights and cameras as you want, but w/o enforcing the rules, incidents and the skipping of red lights will keep happening. The other question is... by how much should these rules be enforced? I imagine that if police began ticketing every biker who skipped a red light even if it wasn't a danger to others on the road, the bikers would get pretty annoyed. Not saying that they should be skipping lights, but it wouldn't be that big of a problem if they would be a bit more careful about it. Also, this begs the question--should bikers have to go through the same training and license acquisition as car drivers so that they would learn how to actually follow the rules of the road? lol

The first sentence read as if you were about to staunchly defend biker culture... But yeah, a large part of the gripe people have with bikes/bikers is the lack of enforcement/responsibility placed on them.... Fact of the matter is that bikers in general want to have their cake & eat it too.... Have some of them tell it, they do no wrong & [pedestrians & motorists] are always in the wrong....

4 hours ago, R10 2952 said:

I stopped having sympathy for them many years ago.  When I was 12, some punk stole my bike from in front of a supermarket in Queens; store had camera footage of the act, but NYPD never even bothered- they closed the case after 3 days.  And then of course you hear these stories break about the ticket-fixing scandals, bribery, the above-the-law mentality, other BS and so on.

Maybe there are a few good cops (who knows), but too many of them act like just another street gang when it comes to who they choose to help.  If I had been somebody's cousin, the bike would've turned up instantly probably....

Hence, anarchists...

I'm not exactly pro-cop (blue lives matter or w/e the f***), but I just don't have it in me to have that much damn hate for cops either - and I'm someone that's been stopped & frisked 4 times.

3 hours ago, SoSpectacular said:

They're not removed, they're PR messages that have to be input separately from the destination sign. I stopped bothering with it because the destination signs take too long to cycle and getting constantly bombarded with the same questions about what route I am despite going in the direction posted on the bus stop get annoying...

Just to be clear, I did not mean "removed" in the sense that it's no longer possible to have them ever inputted or whatever....

If you're one of the b/o's that stopped bothering with it, then you're a first-hand example of what I was saying with that...

2 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

I mean you could be a short-turn or some other route on the pole for all they know. 

 To be quite honest, I thought it (the displaying of the 2 msgs. in the signage) was window-dressing from jump.... Still do, as a matter of fact.

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On 1/4/2021 at 9:10 PM, Bay Ridge Express said:

Speak to us again once you report all of the buses on a weekday rush hour failing to arrive within one minute of their scheduled arrival time at each stop.

I never did that?

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I wish BusTime and the apps showed the coach number or the control ID number of the next bus scheduled - at least at terminals. False hope hurts feelings when it’s hot, cold, or you’re late.

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Q114 does really good along Rockaway Turnpike. Every single stop has a dozen on/offs

So I took the Q111 from Cedarhurst yesterday. Bus surprisingly had six ons. Five on Peninsula and one along Brookfield Rd. I really thought it would carry no one. That corridor seems like it deserves more than one trip in each direction, but its Nassau's jurisdiction so I guess its more likely that Q111 would be completely cut in that area. 

Kind of weird seeing an artic in that part of Nassau County

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7 hours ago, lil hershey said:

I respect the Fresh Pond Driver. Why do i get hate . I would have done the same, we are all humans

You posed the remark as if you were complaining, that's why...

2 hours ago, Mtatransit said:

Q114 does really good along Rockaway Turnpike. Every single stop has a dozen on/offs

So I took the Q111 from Cedarhurst yesterday. Bus surprisingly had six ons. Five on Peninsula and one along Brookfield Rd. I really thought it would carry no one. That corridor seems like it deserves more than one trip in each direction, but its Nassau's jurisdiction so I guess its more likely that Q111 would be completely cut in that area. 

Kind of weird seeing an artic in that part of Nassau County

Did you have any issues boarding at the first stop? Did the b/o actually stop in front of the gas station, or in front of one of those houses just past it?

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I've actually been trying to get (photo+ video) footage of those Q111 buses in Nassau. I started back in the late spring of 2019, was only to do it a few times because of my schedule, and after I got my phone last year, I've been trying to get additional footage of it. It's hard to do it when it's one trip a day in each direction. Anyways covid basically hampered that, but even then, working from home and stuff has made me a bit lazy to even bother catching it. 

Also what doesn't help is that the bus tends to leave late, so you seem suspicious just waiting around in the street in those areas. 

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23 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

I mean you could be a short-turn or some other route on the pole for all they know. 

Yeah exactly If I have to be turned short gotta make sure the sign is readable so I don't get the "This is the last stop??"

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19 hours ago, B35 via Church said:

Did you have any issues boarding at the first stop? Did the b/o actually stop in front of the gas station, or in front of one of those houses just past it?

From what I could tell the bus op did stop in the house in front of the gas station. But I decided to walk down Peninsula a bit and boarded at Arlington road, a few blocks down. The bus was actually on time. Left at 4:02PM exact

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Does anyone know if I were to pay to get onboard a local bus, transfer to an express bus, is there still a transfer valid for another express bus ride after that? This is using pay-per-ride btw. I think the breakdown is as follows: So when I first board the local bus ($2.75), transfer to an express bus (+$4.00), is there still another express bus transfer left?  

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1 minute ago, danielhg121 said:

Does anyone know if I were to pay to get onboard a local bus, transfer to an express bus, is there still a transfer valid for another express bus ride after that? This is using pay-per-ride btw. I think the breakdown is as follows: So when I first board the local bus ($2.75), transfer to an express bus (+$4.00), is there still another express bus transfer left?  

No. Its just like using a transfer between local buses, bus-subway, etc. You'll have to pay the full fare for the next express bus once you used your first transfer.

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6 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

Does anyone know if I were to pay to get onboard a local bus, transfer to an express bus, is there still a transfer valid for another express bus ride after that? This is using pay-per-ride btw. I think the breakdown is as follows: So when I first board the local bus ($2.75), transfer to an express bus (+$4.00), is there still another express bus transfer left?  

I'm not too certain if any of the permissible 3-legged transfers (on one fare) left involves 2 express buses, but the general answer to your question is no.....

6 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

No. Its just like using a transfer between local buses, bus-subway, etc. You'll have to pay the full fare for the next express bus once you used your first transfer.

I get what you're saying with the bus to subway bit, but it wouldn't matter... He's introducing a third mode regardless.

6 hours ago, Mtatransit said:

From what I could tell the bus op did stop in the house in front of the gas station. But I decided to walk down Peninsula a bit and boarded at Arlington road, a few blocks down. The bus was actually on time. Left at 4:02PM exact

Didn't wanna take no chances huh.... Can't say I blame you....

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41 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

I'm not too certain if any of the permissible 3-legged transfers (on one fare) left involves 2 express buses, but the general answer to your question is no.....

I get what you're saying with the bus to subway bit, but it wouldn't matter... He's introducing a third mode regardless.

Didn't wanna take no chances huh.... Can't say I blame you....

My thinking was, I paid $6.75 in total, is there a transfer included on top of that? LOL

But I totally see how the transfer is an extended courtesy as it is and that's the fare at the end of the day.

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https://qns.com/2021/01/queens-judge-denies-business-owners-bid-to-delay-dots-main-street-busway-in-flushing/

 

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Queens judge denies business owner’s bid to delay Main Street busway in Flushing

By Mark Hallum     Posted on January 5, 2021

 

A Queens Supreme Court judge has rejected a bid by business owners to waylay the city Department of Transportation’s (DOT) busway on Main Street in Flushing.

At first glance, it would seem the monthslong litigation was not more successful than any other attempts by mass transit naysayers to halt the city in their tracks when it comes to dedicating space to buses for improved commute times.

On Tuesday, court papers showed that the Article 78 petition, which put a temporary restraining order on the project, was summarily denied by Judge Kevin Kerrigan and DOT’s busway between Sanford Avenue and Northern Boulevard will remain in place under Mayor Bill de Blasio’s Better Buses Action Plan.

“Today’s decision is a huge victory for 150,000 bus riders across Queens and the Bronx. Citywide, judges have now ruled decisively that when riders win well-deserved priority on busy streets, opponents can’t sue and get their way,” Riders Alliance Senior Organizer Jolyse Race said on Jan. 5. “Just as Trump and his supporters can’t overturn the vote, neither can courts ‘invade the province’ of transportation policymakers on behalf of a few rich NIMBYs.”

The Flushing Chinese Business Association and attorney Randall Eng launched the suit over the summer claiming there had been little input from the community and charging that the majority of foot traffic along the commercial corridor got the via private auto.

“It’s not a final disposition, he has simply vacated the temporary restraining order and denied a preliminary injunction,” Eng explained. “Our Article 78 proceeding has not been dismissed, he must decide that. So it is still open, but he has denied to provisional relief that we sought. He denied a preliminary injunction that would have been in place until the matter was decided.”

Eng, however, said this is not over depending on how far his client planned to go, in which case it would head to an appeals court.

“This ruling is more than just good news for the 150,000 New Yorkers who will use the Flushing Main Street busway every day,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said. “It’s a victory for everyone who believes that mass transit is the future of this city and the engine of our economic recovery. New York City is proud to offer safe, reliable and fast transit options for riders in Queens and across the five boroughs, and we look forward to building on this success with even more Better Buses initiatives this coming year.”

Judge Kerrigan was not completely convinced that the busway should proceed based on the traffic maps provided to him by the city, as his concluding remarks indicate.

“How efficacious the Busway player will be or what precisely its impact will be upon the community, if any, is presently unknown. Although petitioners have not shown that the determination to implement the Busway plan was made arbitrarily and irrationally, and thus have failed to demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits of their article 78 petition, looking at the proposed new traffic maps does make this court wonder whether the plan, as currently drawn, is a wise one,” the final paragraph read.

Kerrigan’s comments regarding these doubts about the plan itself were admittedly irrelevant, the statement reads.

 

 

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I don't really get the whole notion that bus lanes are going to bring a car apocalypse to Flushing, because Flushing is already a car apocalypse. You haven't been able to "quickly" drop someone off, let alone find parking, in Flushing anywhere between the post office and Northern for at least the last 15 years. You couldn't pay me to drive in the actual gridlock that is Downtown Flushing.

At least with a bus lane some people (the bus riders) will actually be able to move down the street.

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1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said:

I don't really get the whole notion that bus lanes are going to bring a car apocalypse to Flushing, because Flushing is already a car apocalypse. You haven't been able to "quickly" drop someone off, let alone find parking, in Flushing anywhere between the post office and Northern for at least the last 15 years. You couldn't pay me to drive in the actual gridlock that is Downtown Flushing.

At least with a bus lane some people (the bus riders) will actually be able to move down the street.

Well that's how you know the sentiment is disingenuous..... This isn't anything more than the typical, automatic defense trigger whenever any serious mention of implementing bus lanes are concerned....

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9 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Well that's how you know the sentiment is disingenuous..... This isn't anything more than the typical, automatic defense trigger whenever any serious mention of implementing bus lanes are concerned....

Exactly.

Short of punching another through street in Downtown Flushing (and I don't think it'd help much) you're not going to get road congestion improvement in Flushing doing much of anything. 

All the people who drive "into Flushing" these days are either actually on Northern, College Point Boulevard for Skyview, or the Main and LIE area.

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On 1/6/2021 at 4:35 PM, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

I've actually been trying to get (photo+ video) footage of those Q111 buses in Nassau. I started back in the late spring of 2019, was only to do it a few times because of my schedule, and after I got my phone last year, I've been trying to get additional footage of it. It's hard to do it when it's one trip a day in each direction. Anyways covid basically hampered that, but even then, working from home and stuff has made me a bit lazy to even bother catching it. 

Also what doesn't help is that the bus tends to leave late, so you seem suspicious just waiting around in the street in those areas. 

I honestly forgot the Cedarhurst Q111 even existed until recently, never seen it all the times I've been driven down Peninsula. I thought it ran more often actually, just one a day SB and NB is basically nothing and the route probably won't even touch Nassau in due time. Kinda sad though since I haven't been able to find any video of the route on Cedarhurst over all these years.

I do understand the waiting around fear, especially SB on the 111 since there's a stop light and store at the end of the route which plenty of cars stop at. But NB near the first few houses (next to the red gas station), most drivers are moving and likely care less about someone waiting for a bus, the area is pretty dead pedestrian wise beyond the cars tbh. 

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3 hours ago, bobtehpanda said:

I don't really get the whole notion that bus lanes are going to bring a car apocalypse to Flushing, because Flushing is already a car apocalypse. You haven't been able to "quickly" drop someone off, let alone find parking, in Flushing anywhere between the post office and Northern for at least the last 15 years. You couldn't pay me to drive in the actual gridlock that is Downtown Flushing.

At least with a bus lane some people (the bus riders) will actually be able to move down the street.

Having seen it for myself, I'm glad to have someone else doing the driving for me, though I can't help but feel kinda bad for the bus drivers who have to put up with that shit on a daily basis. Major props to them for willingly subjecting themselves to that in order to transport others, particularly on the Q44, which goes well into the Bronx and down to the also-gridlocked Downtown Jamaica.

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11 hours ago, Lex said:

Having seen it for myself, I'm glad to have someone else doing the driving for me, though I can't help but feel kinda bad for the bus drivers who have to put up with that shit on a daily basis. Major props to them for willingly subjecting themselves to that in order to transport others, particularly on the Q44, which goes well into the Bronx and down to the also-gridlocked Downtown Jamaica.

Downtown Jamaica is bad, though from what I've seen (from the limited perspective of a Q43) it seems to mostly be on the major roads that buses are on, and it's not too bad outside of weekday commute hours.

Every single block of DT Flushing is a shitshow, pretty much most hours of all days of the week. Buses blocking other buses, cars blocking other cars, blocked boxes at every intersection. Before the sidewalk expansions you had to throw pedestrians spilling into the roadway there as well.

I know this forum doesn't have the greatest opinion of bikes, but tbh a lot of Flushing traffic is short-medium distance, and if the infrastructure and parking were remotely safe to be on it'd be a lot better if at least some of that traffic was on bikes. As it stands right now, on a bike you'd basically be the middle part of a bus sandwich.

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