Cait Sith Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19451 Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Well other than waiting for traffic to go through the m66 can take an alternative route so it can get to the stops faster and Ohh ok. Quill has a lot of say as to which routes it wants why is that? Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Alternate route to get to stops faster? Like where? You do understand that the M66 runs along 66th & 67th Street on the East Side, and 65th & 66th Streets on the West Side.....and most of the stops are within those streets. What exactly is the problem with the M66 anyway? I only use it on weekends when I do use it to get from the Upper West to the Upper East Side, and it does okay, though the waits aren't the greatest at times. That's what I'd like to know....the M66/M72 are a part of my delivery routes at times, and they seem to be okay. They both get caught in traffic on the transverse, but it's never usually catastrophically bad compared to other routes. Edited January 3, 2017 by Cait Sith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19452 Posted January 3, 2017 That's what I'd like to know....the M66/M72 are a part of my delivery routes at times, and they seem to be okay. They both get caught in traffic on the transverse, but it's never usually catastrophically bad compared to other routes. lol... The M72 on the other hand is atrocious. I avoid that route at all costs. I worked briefly on the Upper West Side years ago and found myself having to use it here and there to get back to the office from visiting job sites, etc. Was horrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19453 Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) They're basically trying to get folks to use the subway. Simple as that. I guess they are. At this point though, it would be much better to just make the entire M5 a local at all times, because stops at 58 and 56 Street were added southbound, and 66 Street is now a stop in both directions (it used to be a NB only stop). It makes every stop in the area around Columbus Circle (however, 61 Street is now a NB only LTD stop). At this point, it'll only be a limited for 6-7 blocks in Midtown, the section before getting to Riverside on the Upper West Side, and in Manhattanville. The route only skips 10 stops at this point. I'd rather have it make all stops instead. It's a relatively fast ride from Manhattanville to Columbus Circle anyway (for those trying to get to the subway). If loads get imbalanced in Manhattanville between the M4 and the M5 at that point, have all the M4's in the peak direction operate limited (which doesn't make as many stops as the M5 LTD in Manhattanville). Edited January 3, 2017 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19454 Posted January 3, 2017 Alternate route to get to stops faster? Like where? You do understand that the M66 runs along 66th & 67th Street on the East Side, and 65th & 66th Streets on the West Side.....and most of the stops are within those streets. That's what I'd like to know....the M66/M72 are a part of my delivery routes at times, and they seem to be okay. They both get caught in traffic on the transverse, but it's never usually catastrophically bad compared to other routes. Yea I know that but what got me thinking just now is why doesn't it become an SBS route that might work. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19455 Posted January 3, 2017 I guess they are. At this point though, it would be much better to just make the entire M5 a local at all times, because stops at 58 and 56 Street were added southbound, and 66 Street is now a stop in both directions (it used to be a NB only stop). It makes every stop in the area around Columbus Circle (however, 61 Street is now a NB only LTD stop). At this point, it'll only be a limited for 6-7 blocks in Midtown, the section before getting to Riverside on the Upper West Side, and in Manhattanville. The route only skips 10 stops at this point. I'd rather have it make all stops instead. It's a relatively fast ride from Manhattanville to Columbus Circle anyway (for those trying to get to the subway). If loads get imbalanced in Manhattanville between the M4 and the M5 at that point, have all the M4's in the peak direction operate limited. I think the whole thing stinks and I have basically stopped using the M5. I don't shop in certain areas any more on the West Side unless I'm getting on the BxM2 back to Riverdale afterwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19456 Posted January 3, 2017 All I have to say is I expected this type of schedule. Bare bones service. Actually, so did I.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19457 Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) Actually, so did I.... it's funny because a lot of these new local lines run with the same frequencies of an express bus. The only difference is a bus here or there, but when you have local buses running with similar frequencies to that of a commuter bus, that tells you something about where local bus service is in this city and what the thinks about service overall. With BusTime, they are trying to aim to run buses like subways, so if you use BusTime, perhaps the waits don't feel as bad. I needed the M1 the other night. The bus was running on 20 minute headways but was okay since I was able to catch my bus and not wait long. Edited January 3, 2017 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted January 3, 2017 Share #19458 Posted January 3, 2017 it's funny because a lot of these new local lines run with the same frequencies of an express bus. The only difference is a bus here or there, but when you have local buses running with similar frequencies to that of a commuter bus, that tells you something about where local bus service is in this city and what the thinks about service overall. And that, my good sir, is quite unfortunate. Its not that people don't want to use buses, its more like we can't rely on them, so they find other means. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19459 Posted January 4, 2017 And that, my good sir, is quite unfortunate. Its not that people don't want to use buses, its more like we can't rely on them, so they find other means. That's exactly the problem. I see plenty of people hailing cabs at bus stops because they get sick of waiting, or can't wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19460 Posted January 4, 2017 Wasn't the M5 a Quill route in the past? I swear I got on an artic on the M5 once about year or two ago. It might have been a rush hour supplement/school tripper or something because it only ran from South Ferry to 14th Street. Do you guys think they'll interline an artic or two from the local M15 onto the M55? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19461 Posted January 4, 2017 Do you guys think they'll interline an artic or two from the local M15 onto the M55? don't think so 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19462 Posted January 4, 2017 Wasn't the M5 a Quill route in the past? I swear I got on an artic on the M5 once about year or two ago. It might have been a rush hour supplement/school tripper or something because it only ran from South Ferry to 14th Street. Do you guys think they'll interline an artic or two from the local M15 onto the M55? I remember what you're talking about. I think those were just extra runs or supplements, but the M5 has always run out of MV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19463 Posted January 4, 2017 Wasn't the M5 a Quill route in the past? I swear I got on an artic on the M5 once about year or two ago. It might have been a rush hour supplement/school tripper or something because it only ran from South Ferry to 14th Street. Do you guys think they'll interline an artic or two from the local M15 onto the M55? I remember what you're talking about. I think those were just extra runs or supplements, but the M5 has always run out of MV. Yeah, Quill ran precious few extras a few summers back on the M5. Had to do with the . I think I have a photo of an LFSA M5 somewhere, definitely a few RTS M5s. One of an LFSA M5 signed as an M20, too. Shane got video, I believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19464 Posted January 4, 2017 How? Maybe he's thinking the B/Os will drag the line moreso than other depots. It takes express buses about 20 minutes from say 23rd or 14th street down to Battery Park City, so I don't know how they came up with such a schedule for local buses. Just insane. They obviously don't expect many people to ride. They're basically trying to get folks to use the subway. Simple as that. All I have to say is I expected this type of schedule. Bare bones service. Yeah, the M5 schedule now has it in the 40-50 minute range for most of the day, which seems more realistic for a typical trip. Bare bones would be the basic 30 minute headways you see on the M12. I was thinking something along the lines of the M20, which is a step above basic headways. But yeah, the M6 used to run every 10-12 minutes the whole day (with the M1 helping out along Broadway as well). I guess they are. At this point though, it would be much better to just make the entire M5 a local at all times, because stops at 58 and 56 Street were added southbound, and 66 Street is now a stop in both directions (it used to be a NB only stop). It makes every stop in the area around Columbus Circle (however, 61 Street is now a NB only LTD stop). At this point, it'll only be a limited for 6-7 blocks in Midtown, the section before getting to Riverside on the Upper West Side, and in Manhattanville. The route only skips 10 stops at this point. I'd rather have it make all stops instead. It's a relatively fast ride from Manhattanville to Columbus Circle anyway (for those trying to get to the subway). If loads get imbalanced in Manhattanville between the M4 and the M5 at that point, have all the M4's in the peak direction operate limited (which doesn't make as many stops as the M5 LTD in Manhattanville). The M4 vs. M5 stops in Hamilton Heights (Manhattanville is south of 135th Street) can be changed. I haven't had much of a reason to use the M5 at my time at CCNY (though I have used the M4 a few times to get up there from Madison Avenue), so I can't say much for the usage of the 140th & 152nd Street stops, but if that's an issue, you can just drop them from the M5. I would personally rather have it bypass 61st Street completely, bypass 56th Street (but stop at 58th Street), and then just stop at 50th, 42nd, 34th, and then the terminal at 31st & 6th. There's enough local buses along both 5th & 6th to make up for those few local stops. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19465 Posted January 4, 2017 Maybe they put those local stops between 42nd and 34th by mistake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19466 Posted January 4, 2017 How does the M12 do now that's it's been around for a little while? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 4, 2017 Share #19467 Posted January 4, 2017 Yeah, Quill ran precious few extras a few summers back on the M5. Had to do with the . I think I have a photo of an LFSA M5 somewhere, definitely a few RTS M5s. One of an LFSA M5 signed as an M20, too. Shane got video, I believe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJQ5218 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19468 Posted January 5, 2017 MJQ is a depot that runs with heavy traffic and it still finds a way to get the passengers on time so for the M66 and M55 that is coming out i think it's good that they send it to Quill depot. Sent from my SM-G920T1 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19469 Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Made this completely fictional Orion VII roster for fun about 3 months ago, never got around to posting it. In this situation, the MTA buys the Orion VII buses from the PA, Bee-Line, Academy, and Roosevelt Island to retire the 1996 RTS. One can fantasize. MTA Orion VII Diesel 3563 1 MTA Bus 6970-69991 30 NYCT Transit (GA) 7000-7089 90 NYCT Transit MTA Orion VII HEV 3500-3562 63 MTA Bus 3564-3783 220 MTA Bus 3784-37872 4 MTA Bus (JFK/FR) 3788-37913 4 MTA Bus (JFK/FR) 6365-6489 125 NYCT Transit 6490-6905 416 NYCT Transit 6906-69194 14 NYCT Transit (MQ) 6950-69565 7 NYCT Transit (GAàB32, B39) MTA Orion VII NG HEV 3800-4278 479 MTA Bus; NYCT Transit 4279-42986 20 MTA Bus (LGA) 42997 1 MTA Bus (JFK/FR) 4330-4702 373 MTA Bus; NYCT Transit 4703-47048 2 MTA Bus (JFK/FR) 4705-47069 2 MTA Bus (JFK/FR) MTA Orion VII CNG 7560-7684 125 NYCT Transit 7685-7819 135 NYCT Transit 1 PANYNJ #4977-4979; #4987-5000; #731-743 30 Orion 7.501 2 Bee-Line #200-203 4 Orion 7.501 HEV 3 RIOC #1-4 4 Orion 7.501 HEV 4 PANYNJ #721-727; #4980-4986 14 Orion 7.501 HEV 5 PANYNJ #701-707 7 Orion 7.502 HEV 6 PANYNJ #744-763 20 Orion 7.501 NG HEV 7 RIOC #7 1 Orion 7.501 NG HEV 8 RIOC #5-6 2 Orion 7.501 NG HEV 9 Academy #2190-2191 2 Orion 7.501 NG HEV Total 2195 MTA 2111 Diesel 121 CNG 260 Hybrid 1730 Acquisitions 84 Academy 2 Bee-Line 4 PANYNJ 71 RIOC 7 Edited January 5, 2017 by GojiMet86 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19470 Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Is this^ true? Edited January 5, 2017 by BDNQ2345 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19471 Posted January 5, 2017 Is this^ true? Made this completely fictional Orion VII roster for fun about 3 months ago, never got around to posting it. In this situation, the MTA buys the Orion VII buses from the PA, Bee-Line, Academy, and Roosevelt Island to retire the 1996 RTS. One can fantasize. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDNQ2345 Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19472 Posted January 5, 2017 oh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19473 Posted January 5, 2017 Has the 2nd Ave line affected the M15? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 5, 2017 Share #19474 Posted January 5, 2017 Has the 2nd Ave line affected the M15? Too early to say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted January 6, 2017 Share #19475 Posted January 6, 2017 Has the 2nd Ave line affected the M15? I would just wait until the entire SAS is built...whenever that is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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