JubaionBx12+SBS Posted January 19, 2017 Share #19576 Posted January 19, 2017 It would be interesting if the BusTime app or BusTracker can be used as a visual to show just how bad service is performing on any given route. You could have one overlay that shows the buses moving at the rate they would if they all followed the schedule to a tee (something like the TRAVIC client someone posted to SubChat) and in the same app an overlay showing the real-time service. Obviously the bus symbols would need to be differentiated between the schedule based feed and the real-time one but having that kind of feature in a tracking app would sure be a wake up call to folks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 19, 2017 Share #19577 Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) It would be interesting if the BusTime app or BusTracker can be used as a visual to show just how bad service is performing on any given route. You could have one overlay that shows the buses moving at the rate they would if they all followed the schedule to a tee (something like the TRAVIC client someone posted to SubChat) and in the same app an overlay showing the real-time service. Obviously the bus symbols would need to be differentiated between the schedule based feed and the real-time one but having that kind of feature in a tracking app would sure be a wake up call to folks. Aside from visualizing the disparity between the real-world runtimes and the schedule, no one cares. Someone using Transit or Google Maps wants to know where their bus is now, not where it is hypothetically. If the hypothetical bus doesn't show up for the user of the app, they don't blame the MTA, they think the app is busted and they switch to an app showing the real-time ones only. The other issue with displaying information like that is that it would be very computationally intensive, for both the app and the MTA. In fact I believe someone had to take down a site displaying every real-time bus in the five boroughs on the same map, because of the amount of data it was requesting every second. Edited January 19, 2017 by bobtehpanda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #19578 Posted January 19, 2017 It would be interesting if the BusTime app or BusTracker can be used as a visual to show just how bad service is performing on any given route. You could have one overlay that shows the buses moving at the rate they would if they all followed the schedule to a tee (something like the TRAVIC client someone posted to SubChat) and in the same app an overlay showing the real-time service. Obviously the bus symbols would need to be differentiated between the schedule based feed and the real-time one but having that kind of feature in a tracking app would sure be a wake up call to folks. The thing is, what purpose would it serve in practice? Maybe it would let them know to expect extra crowding compared to how the service is normally scheduled, but that's about it. If I see the next bus is 15 minutes away, I want to know "What can I do about it?" (Walk, use an alternate bus line or alternate form of transportation). The fact that there should be a bus coming in 2 minutes according to the schedule doesn't do me any good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2017 Share #19579 Posted January 19, 2017 It would be interesting if the BusTime app or BusTracker can be used as a visual to show just how bad service is performing on any given route. You could have one overlay that shows the buses moving at the rate they would if they all followed the schedule to a tee (something like the TRAVIC client someone posted to SubChat) and in the same app an overlay showing the real-time service. Obviously the bus symbols would need to be differentiated between the schedule based feed and the real-time one but having that kind of feature in a tracking app would sure be a wake up call to folks. I don't see what's wrong with the apps that we have now. Whoever is going to track their bus already is and once you use the apps enough, you get a feel for how accurate they are and how to adjust your commute accordingly. If I know that there isn't a bus for another 20 minutes, I may just jump in a cab or run an errand and then go to the stop so as to mitigate a long wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19580 Posted January 20, 2017 So apparently there was an RTS on the M101 earlier this evening. No idea why that was on there... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19581 Posted January 20, 2017 My app idea wasn't meant with the general commuter in mind. It was meant for the very niche group of folks who would want to play watchdog and put the MTA's feet to the fire regarding the quality of service being provided. Basically, folks like us. I never said that a major tech company should produce such a thing, just some tech-savvy transit watchdog type. With the way the MTA is going, there needs to be a group of studious watchdogs (with all the tools possible) on their case making sure the service provided is up to snuff because lots of times the service is inexcusable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19582 Posted January 20, 2017 (edited) So apparently there was an RTS on the M101 earlier this evening. No idea why that was on there... There still is; 5202 is on the M101 (however only running to 96 Street). EDIT: As I look at the M103, there's a southbound gap between E. 9 Street and E. 109 Street. There's also 3 buses going close to each other on the UES, couldn't they short-turn one at 42 Street or something. Edited January 20, 2017 by BM5 via Woodhaven Bl 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19583 Posted January 20, 2017 Two oddities: - Artic traveling EB along ENY av (well, it turns into Jamaica at that point)... Couldn't see the logo, as I was already on the B12 as it was making the left turn off Alabama..... - Bus w/ a Flatbush depot logo on it was parked at the B20 SB bus stop @ Alabama (under the el there).... It was there from the time I got to the B12 stop, to the time I finally got on a bus (about 40 mins, after letting 2 packed ass buses fill up; was not attempting to board them shits)... For all I know, its probably still there.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19584 Posted January 20, 2017 Two oddities: - Artic traveling EB along ENY av (well, it turns into Jamaica at that point)... Couldn't see the logo, as I was already on the B12 as it was making the left turn off Alabama..... - Bus w/ a Flatbush depot logo on it was parked at the B20 SB bus stop @ Alabama (under the el there).... It was there from the time I got to the B12 stop, to the time I finally got on a bus (about 40 mins, after letting 2 packed ass buses fill up; was not attempting to board them shits)... For all I know, its probably still there.... That Flatbush unit could of been one of the earlier B12 school trippers. Those tend to park near that bus stop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19585 Posted January 20, 2017 That Flatbush unit could of been one of the earlier B12 school trippers. Those tend to park near that bus stop. Didn't even think of that.... You're right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train92 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19586 Posted January 20, 2017 Two oddities: - Artic traveling EB along ENY av (well, it turns into Jamaica at that point)... Couldn't see the logo, as I was already on the B12 as it was making the left turn off Alabama..... - Bus w/ a Flatbush depot logo on it was parked at the B20 SB bus stop @ Alabama (under the el there).... It was there from the time I got to the B12 stop, to the time I finally got on a bus (about 40 mins, after letting 2 packed ass buses fill up; was not attempting to board them shits)... For all I know, its probably still there.... I do remember seeing 4721 on the RFK yesterday... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19587 Posted January 20, 2017 There still is; 5202 is on the M101 (however only running to 96 Street). EDIT: As I look at the M103, there's a southbound gap between E. 9 Street and E. 109 Street. There's also 3 buses going close to each other on the UES, couldn't they short-turn one at 42 Street or something. One of those southbound buses wasn't on BusTime. Caught me by surprise when I was doing last-minute deliveries last night. I was waiting for an M102 when that showed up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted January 20, 2017 Share #19588 Posted January 20, 2017 #6752 on the M34 and #3804 on the M34A. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19589 Posted January 21, 2017 4267 and 4277 are back on the S79-SBS this morning according to the tracker. The rest of the service are the LFS's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19590 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 4267 and 4277 are back on the S79-SBS this morning according to the tracker. The rest of the service are the LFS's.That's odd. I checked yesterday and the S79 was nothing but NG's. Edited January 21, 2017 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19591 Posted January 21, 2017 Was riding an RTS on the Q67 a few weeks ago, looked like it had just been pulled off the scrap line. Haven't seen an RTS on that line since the Queens Surface days- brings back memories... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19592 Posted January 21, 2017 Who would I go to push for the BusTime countdowns that have been installed at stops along various SBS routes to be installed at a bunch of Bx12 SBS stops? It's a travesty that such a feature was implemented without the busiest route in the city being addressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19593 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Who would I go to push for the BusTime countdowns that have been installed at stops along various SBS routes to be installed at a bunch of Bx12 SBS stops? It's a travesty that such a feature was implemented without the busiest route in the city being addressed. The Bx12 aint the busiest anymore. The B46 took that title. ^Disregard this, looked at the wrong information. My apologies. Edited January 22, 2017 by Cait Sith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19594 Posted January 21, 2017 Wait, how come the Bx12 has artics and the B46 doesn't? People keep saying there's no demand for it right now but if its the busiest line, then it might as well, you can put them on the local too. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19595 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) The Bx12 aint the busiest anymore. The B46 took that title. Again? Lol.... ------------ Anyway, I originally came here to share what happened this past Wednesday... After getting fed up with the (there was some kind of delay at 75th around 5pm that day, that had trains crawling from Sutphin, to 71st - a ride that took a whopping 37 mins), getting off at 21st Queensbridge instead of Church, I went to my backup plan & wanted to take the B32 to the B46..... Here's the kicker... Whenever I take the B32 towards WBP, I have this habit of always looking to see if there's an oncoming B43 (here is where I should've stuck to my guns & rode the full 32 out instead).... There was an oncoming bus in the distance, so I got off... B43 Lefferts gardens Prospect park sta (or whatever the signage exactly says) right? Nope..... By time I got off the bus & crossed the street to go around the corner to the B43/B62 stop, the signage had changed to Not in Service..... I was livid, and had to suppress the anger I already had, to not ending up getting into a fight w/ some a**hole Lance Armstrong-ing on the sidewalk that almost hit me.... So I walked it out to the , and surprise, surprise - a plethora of commuters are walking up the steps as I'm walking down them - meaning, I just missed the train... Great. So the train arrives, and I shit y'all not - this train was so packed (all 4 cars), that the car that I ended up entering, had a guy's face pressed up against the glass part of the door.... I was going to let that train go if enough people didn't disembark, but luckily, enough from that car did..... Alright, so we get to Broadway.... Walk up the steps to commence the wait for a B46 (for those that don't know, only B46 locals run north of Dekalb now)..... I Waited... ...and waited.... and waited.... Guess what? Nothing showed up in 32 minutes..... Yep, the almighty B46 has no buses heading in any singular direction around 6:30pm for at least a 1/2 hour.... The first time I looked at the schedule on the pole there, a lady then states that she's been "f***ing standing here" (her words) for 15 minutes.... If I take her word for it, that means that there were no SB 46's for about 45 minutes? The f***? And it wasn't like I saw a sea of WBP bound B46's either - From the time I got off the to the time I walked to the Flushing av (well, technically thornton/throop) stop, I only saw 5 buses... After I reached the McDonalds, I turned around to see if infact any SB B46's were in the distance... And, there weren't any. The best part of the whole (broken) commute was that the B43 was on the right side of Broadway (forget what side street that is)... So I hoofed it (once I saw 3 people already at the stop, there was no need to run) to the stop... and that's all she wrote. Some of this is my fault, some of it isn't..... After doing what I had to get done whilst in Jamaica: - Yeah I could've taken the to Alabama for the B12 - Yeah I could've taken the Q24 or Q56, for the same B12 - Yeah I should've stayed on that to Church - Yeah I could've stayed on that B32 to catch a B46 (armchair QB-ing would have me believing this one wouldn't have made a difference anyway) - Yeah I could've waited for a B43 (at Manhattan/Freeman) - one that was actually going to Lefferts Gardens.... But I'm not taking responsibility for epic delays on a train.... Not taking responsibility for a b/o miraculously being in service one minute, and then POOF - not in service, the next..... Not taking responsibility for no buses arriving along Broadway in the needed direction in 32 minutes.... Nope..... And now that I say that, it's actually worse than 32 minutes (even if I ignore the lady's 15 minute claim), because there was not one bus in that direction that passed by as I was walking to the B43, nor one in the see-able distance either.... Forgot to mention that in my walk to the B43, I actually considered taking the B48 - made my way to the stop & looked at the posted schedule - noted that the next bus was to arrive 12 mins after the fact... Basically, I was hoping for lightning in a bottle & got carpet burn instead.... In any case, F*** you, MT-lle (pronounced M-T-yay) - for those that know what llello is. end transmission... Edited January 21, 2017 by B35 via Church 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19596 Posted January 21, 2017 The Bx12 aint the busiest anymore. The B46 took that title. Since when? http://web.mta.info/nyct/facts/ffbus.htm#routes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19597 Posted January 21, 2017 Since when? http://web.mta.info/nyct/facts/ffbus.htm#routes Those are ridership figures from 2015. The B46 claimed the top spot last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19598 Posted January 21, 2017 Those are ridership figures from 2015. The B46 claimed the top spot last year. We have no available ridership figures from 2016 to confirm this so until April, my point stands. It would be nice if the MTA got the numbers out earlier or did what CTA does and posted month by month ridership reports. It would be much easier to follow the trends in usage if the reports were posted on a monthly basis. Given the trends in usage these days I would not expect to see any big differences from 2015 unless some of the high ridership routes losing passengers took big dips again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19599 Posted January 21, 2017 The Bx12 aint the busiest anymore. The B46 took that title. Those are ridership figures from 2015. The B46 claimed the top spot last year. I'm clearly out of the loop & must have missed something.... Did the 2016 stats come out already? How do you two know this...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BronxBombers Posted January 21, 2017 Share #19600 Posted January 21, 2017 Anyway, I originally came here to share what happened this past Wednesday... After getting fed up with the (there was some kind of delay at 75th around 5pm that day, that had trains crawling from Sutphin, to 71st - a ride that took a whopping 37 mins), getting off at 21st Queensbridge instead of Church, I went to my backup plan & wanted to take the B32 to the B46..... Here's the kicker... Whenever I take the B32 towards WBP, I have this habit of always looking to see if there's an oncoming B43 (here is where I should've stuck to my guns & rode the full 32 out instead).... There was an oncoming bus in the distance, so I got off... B43 Lefferts gardens Prospect park sta (or whatever the signage exactly says) right? Nope..... By time I got off the bus & crossed the street to go around the corner to the B43/B62 stop, the signage had changed to Not in Service..... I was livid, and had to suppress the anger I already had, to not ending up getting into a fight w/ some a**hole Lance Armstrong-ing on the sidewalk that almost hit me.... So I walked it out to the , and surprise, surprise - a plethora of commuters are walking up the steps as I'm walking down them - meaning, I just missed the train... Great. So the train arrives, and I shit y'all not - this train was so packed (all 4 cars), that the car that I ended up entering, had a guy's face pressed up against the glass part of the door.... I was going to let that train go if enough people didn't disembark, but luckily, enough from that car did..... Alright, so we get to Broadway.... Walk up the steps to commence the wait for a B46 (for those that don't know, only B46 locals run north of Dekalb now)..... I Waited... ...and waited.... and waited.... Guess what? Nothing showed up in 32 minutes..... Yep, the almighty B46 has no buses heading in any singular direction around 6:30pm for at least a 1/2 hour.... The first time I looked at the schedule on the pole there, a lady then states that she's been "f***ing standing here" (her words) for 15 minutes.... If I take her word for it, that means that there were no SB 46's for about 45 minutes? The f***? And it wasn't like I saw a sea of WBP bound B46's either - From the time I got off the to the time I walked to the Flushing av (well, technically thornton/throop) stop, I only saw 5 buses... After I reached the McDonalds, I turned around to see if infact any SB B46's were in the distance... And, there weren't any. The best part of the whole (broken) commute was that the B43 was on the right side of Broadway (forget what side street that is)... So I hoofed it (once I saw 3 people already at the stop, there was no need to run) to the stop... and that's all she wrote. Some of this is my fault, some of it isn't..... After doing what I had to get done whilst in Jamaica: - Yeah I could've taken the to Alabama for the B12 - Yeah I could've taken the Q24 or Q56, for the same B12 - Yeah I should've stayed on that to Church - Yeah I could've stayed on that B32 to catch a B46 (armchair QB-ing would have me believing this one wouldn't have made a difference anyway) - Yeah I could've waited for a B43 (at Manhattan/Freeman) - one that was actually going to Lefferts Gardens.... But I'm not taking responsibility for epic delays on a train.... Not taking responsibility for a b/o miraculously being in service one minute, and then POOF - not in service, the next..... Not taking responsibility for no buses arriving along Broadway in the needed direction in 32 minutes.... Nope..... And now that I say that, it's actually worse than 32 minutes (even if I ignore the lady's 15 minute claim), because there was not one bus in that direction that passed by as I was walking to the B43, nor one in the see-able distance either.... Forgot to mention that in my walk to the B43, I actually considered taking the B48 - made my way to the stop & looked at the posted schedule - noted that the next bus was to arrive 12 mins after the fact... Basically, I was hoping for lightning in a bottle & got carpet burn instead.... In any case, F*** you, MT-lle (pronounced M-T-yay) - for those that know what llello is. end transmission... Glad to know that I am not the only impulsive commuter in the world. I have a habit to getting off trains or buses for a "quicker" commute, only to have Satan take over and make me regret choices I've made. I guess it's the Aries in me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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