Albany is off it's rocker on new fare discount ideas.

[Shortline Bus]

The police and fire department don't deserve to get everything for free. Make them pay full fare. College students can get special MetroCards, usable only twice a day, and offer a discounted $1.75 fare.

 

If it's non-work related as a compromise I think off duty and only 'current' FDNY, NYPD should ride 1/2 half. They save our lives.

Off course they ride for 'free' only during their active shifts.

 

Also only current Board members work related can ride for 'free.' Full Fare for them off duty.

 

 

Here is should be entitled to 1/2 fares.

 

1)NYC school students-grades 6-12 paid for by the NYC DOE or Albany.

2)Senior and Disabled Communities of course.

3)Off Duty and current FDNY and NYPD employees.

4)Chlidren ages 6-12 weekends and holidays only with an adult paying full fare for a maxium of 2 kids.

 

That it. Everyone else pays the full fare.

[mark1447]

College students don't get Student MetroCards.

 

And the last time I checked, if a MetroCard has 3 rides on it, it isn't an Unlimited MetroCard.

 

But 3 is enough, why give them unlimited? Thats spending more money..

 

Not all students go to college if may add. For that provide them with a College pass(With limited rides) or have them pay.

[checkmatechamp13]

I never said that we should get Unlimited MetroCards.

 

By the way, speaking of free rides, St. John's College, Wagner College, and CSI have free shuttle buses to and from St. George, paid for by the federal government. I think that they should be taken away (in addition to any similar shuttle buses), and the students who are affected by that should receive a free or discounted MetroCard. It is cheaper for the federal government to pay the full $2.25 fare for the students and have them take a regular bus than it is to run a special bus just for them.

 

NOTE: This would only apply to colleges who formerly had these free shuttles and would be losing them.

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[checkmatechamp13]

The federal money that was used to provide the shuttle buses would be used to give the college students free rides. The MTA actually gets more money from the federal government.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I meant 3 free rides on school days. Kids need to go to school, and some families can't afford to use the subway/bus to get their kids to school. If we don't supply them with metrocards then some might drop out and resort to crime and/or violence. College isn't compulsory so free metrocards shouldn't be given out. If anything give them discounted ones at $1.75 usable for 3 free rides a day on school days only.

 

DON'T HAVE KIDS if you can't afford them. Simple as that. I am so tired of hearing this BS about we have to do this and that and the other for someone who chose to have kids. College isn't compulsory and neither is having kids. News flash... I had several jobs when I was in college to pay for my books etc. because I wasn't eligible to get that many students loans, etc. and when I did my last semester in Europe, I took a semester off and worked many hours to pay for my own expenses and got whatever scholarships that I was elegible for. I didn't look for handouts because my expenses are my problems, NOT someone elses. :mad:

 

I worked tutoring Italian and Spanish when I had free time. I also worked at my university's hockey rink as a skate guard on Saturdays during the cold months and I worked in my mail room once a week and the monies I got from those three jobs were more than enough to take care of my expenses. During the summer months I also worked so that I could have my spending money, etc. and I paid for my own Metrocards when I came down to the city.

 

What annoys me is why do folks think that they are "entitled" to these things and do they think these things are paid for by themselves???

[checkmatechamp13]

DON'T HAVE KIDS if you can't afford them. Simple as that. I am so tired of hearing this BS about we have to do this and that and the other for someone who chose to have kids. College isn't compulsory and neither is having kids. News flash... I had several jobs when I was in college to bay for my books etc. because I wasn't elegible to get that many students loans, etc. and when I did my last semester in Europe, I took a semester off and worked many hours to pay for my own expenses and got whatever scholarships that I was elegible for. I didn't look for handouts because my expenses are my problems, NOT someone elses. :mad:

 

Let's face it: You can't stop parents from having kids they can't afford, but you can try to make those kids into a benefit to society rather than a burden.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

Let's face it: You can't stop parents from having kids they can't afford, but you can try to make those kids into a benefit to society rather than a burden.

 

 

Yeah, right at whose expense??? Me as a single professional, I pay through the @ss in taxes, especially NYS and NYC taxes and the mayor has the nerve to say that the city isn't raising taxes. I don't know about you, but I work damn hard for my money and I am tired of it going out of the door to support some oh so less fortunate soul out there. If I can work 8+ hours a day, so can the next guy. This supporting the less fortunate nonsense is nothing more than socialism and the last I checked here in the US we have a capitalist system. Leave it to the liberal Democrats though to steal from those who have to give to the less fortunate who don't work.

[checkmatechamp13]

And isn't our entire tax system based on helping some "oh so less fortunate soul"? In the majority of the country, public transit is seen as a form of assistance for the poor, as are public schools, public hospitals, etc.

 

And you have to consider that a person might not make a lot of money because they never had the opportunity to go to college. Maybe their family fell on hard times and they had to drop out, or maybe they had nobody to guide them and they fell under bad influences. Those types of problems aren't (at least entirely) their fault, and it's these types of programs that can help lift a family out of generational poverty.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

And isn't our entire tax system based on helping some "oh so less fortunate soul"? In the majority of the country, public transit is seen as a form of assistance for the poor, as are public schools, public hospitals, etc.

 

And you have to consider that a person might not make a lot of money because they never had the opportunity to go to college. Maybe their family fell on hard times and they had to drop out, or maybe they had nobody to guide them and they fell under bad influences. Those types of problems aren't (at least entirely) their fault, and it's these types of programs that can help lift a family out of generational poverty.

 

 

I am not against helping those who are less fortunate. Of course there should be programs to help folks like that, BUT there needs to be a limit so that it is not abused, as these monies are not free regardless of where it is coming from. Like I said, I basically supported myself throughout college so as not to be a financial burden on my parents. They had sacrificed enough financially while raising me. With that said, I did get some financial aid mainly via student loans and a few grants and such, but I didn't keep looking for handouts. I helped myself and went out and worked. What pissed me though was I had high grades, yet I wasn't elegible for certain funding because I wasn't poor. Meanwhile these poor kids get everything and have sh*tty grades.

 

My point is at some point you can't keep making excuses for these people. They have to take responsibility for their own actions at some point. No one is dealt a perfect deck and you have to make due with what you're given and not look to others constantly to support you.

 

This is why I'm an Independent. The Democrats want to take take take for those who have and spend spend spend to support the poor. We need more fiscal conservativeness from our elected officials and we can't keep overtaxing the middle class and the wealthy to help the poor.

 

Reforming welfare like Giuliani did, a moderate Republican, who I admired at least when he was the mayor, was a very smart thing to do. Those who can work and are collecting benefits need to make a contribution for the earnings that they are collecting that is being given to them w/taxpayer dollars.

 

The same thing applies here. Give help to college students, but make them understand that they have to contribute to their education also by working if need be. There is nothing for free in this world and this is no different.

[checkmatechamp13]

I am not against helping those who are less fortunate. Of course there should be programs to help folks like that, BUT there needs to be a limit so that it is not abused, as these monies are not free regardless of where it is coming from. Like I said, I basically supported myself throughout college so as not to be a financial burden on my parents. They had sacrificed enough financially while raising me. With that said, I did get some financial aid mainly via student loans and a few grants and such, but I didn't keep looking for handouts. I helped myself and went out and worked. What pissed me though was I had high grades, yet I wasn't eligable for certain funding because I wasn't poor. Meanwhile these poor kids get everything and have sh*tty grades.

 

My point is at some point you can't keep making excuses for these people. They have to take responsibility for their own actions at some point. No one is dealt a perfect deck and you have to make due with what you're given and not look to others constantly to support you.

 

This is why I'm an Independent. The Democrats want to take take take for those who have and spend spend spend to support the poor. We need more fiscal conservativeness from our elected officials and we can't keep overtaxing the middle class and the wealthy to help the poor.

 

Reforming welfare like Giuliani did, a moderate Republican, who I admired at least when he was the mayor, was a very smart thing to do. Those who can work and are collecting benefits need to make a contribution for the earnings that they are collecting that is being given to them w/taxpayer dollars.

 

The same thing applies here. Give help to college students, but make them understand that they have to contribute to their education also by working if need be. There is nothing for free in this world and this is no different.

 

Alright. I do agree that handouts can't be given willy-nilly: They have to be given to people who are truly in need, and people who will make the best use of them.

 

I think they're beginning to do that, at least as far as college is concerned. To get into a CUNY school, you need at least an 85 average, and some SUNY schools (like Binghamton) require a 94. That's one way of ensuring that only the kids who are willing to work hard get into the school, regardless of whether they are rich or poor.

[B35 via Church]

College students would get at least 25% off.

 

Senior citizens wouldn't have to pay at all.

 

Off-duty fire marshals, off-duty police officers and retired cops would all get freebies

 

I still have my college ID.... I haven't stepped foot inside a collegiate bldg in 5 years...

The very idea I can flash that shit to a station agent or a b/o and... whooppee (lol), 25% off.... Unfu**ing believable...

 

I get free rides if I'm an old coot...

 

retired policemen... lofl... (watch how many would end up claiming this feat/status)

How many retired policemen are there over 65?

guess the double bonus (lol) carries over to their wives & children too huh....

 

I don't EVER EVER EVER EVER wanna have to read or hear about the MTA being f***in broke from this point on... Especially since I have been subjected to have read this BS on April 21st, 2011....

 

While the actual service(s) provided under these (suggested discounted) fares are gettin cut left & right.... What the hell good are discounted fares when service is steadily dwindling... When the base fare itself is STILL subject to undergoing increases in the future !

 

Notice they don't make any mention of any of that....

[checkmatechamp13]

I still have my college ID.... I haven't stepped foot inside a collegiate bldg in 5 years...

The very idea I can flash that shit to a station agent or a b/o and... whooppee (lol), 25% off.... Unfu**ing believable...

 

I get free rides if I'm an old coot...

 

retired policemen... lofl... (watch how many would end up claiming this feat/status)

How many retired policemen are there over 65?

guess the double bonus (lol) carries over to their wives & children too huh....

 

I don't EVER EVER EVER EVER wanna have to read or hear about the MTA being f***in broke from this point on... Especially since I have been subjected to have read this BS on April 21st, 2011....

 

While the actual service(s) provided under these (suggested discounted) fares are gettin cut left & right.... What the hell good are discounted fares when service is steadily dwindling... When the base fare itself is STILL subject to undergoing increases in the future !

 

Notice they don't make any mention of any of that....

 

You know what that means: If they are mandated to provide those free rides, they'll cut service past the bone and into the marrow, and then they'll jack up the base fare to whatever is necessary to cover the costs of these free/reduced price rides.

 

Technically, they won't be violating the law, since they'll still be providing the free/reduced-price rides.

 

Like I said, this would be a great idea (except for retired policemen riding for free) if Albany was paying for whatever lost revenue occurs as a result.

[INDman]

You know what that means: If they are mandated to provide those free rides, they'll cut service past the bone and into the marrow, and then they'll jack up the base fare to whatever is necessary to cover the costs of these free/reduced price rides.

 

Technically, they won't be violating the law, since they'll still be providing the free/reduced-price rides.

 

Like I said, this would be a great idea (except for retired policemen riding for free) if Albany was paying for whatever lost revenue occurs as a result.

 

How many retired cops live in the city, not to mention how many of them would even ride the subway? What ever number your thinking, it's alot less. Letting retired cops ride free is nothing.

[checkmatechamp13]

But the intentions behind having them ride free don't make sense: They think that it will make the subways safer when I doubt it will make any difference. They may have experience in dealing with criminals in case something does occur, but I doubt that they would want to risk an altercation when they're already getting their pension.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

But the intentions behind having them ride free don't make sense: They think that it will make the subways safer when I doubt it will make any difference. They may have experience in dealing with criminals in case something does occur, but I doubt that they would want to risk an altercation when they're already getting their pension.

 

A cop is always a cop, whether they're retired or not. They don't take on the job for the pension. They do it because they feel that they are needed to serve and protect their fellow citizens, at least here in the States anyway. Sure they get a pension and some freebies, but there is nothing in terms of salary that compensates them enough for them putting their lives on the line everyday.

[checkmatechamp13]

But that is the thing: At 65+ years old, are they really capable of handling any crime committed? I'm sure there are plenty of cops who wanted to continue, but felt that they were too old to actually handle the duties that are involved with being a police officer.

 

You could give them the free rides as a sign of appreciation, but I don't think it will do much in terms of safety.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

But that is the thing: At 65+ years old, are they really capable of handling any crime committed? I'm sure there are plenty of cops who wanted to continue, but felt that they were too old to actually handle the duties that are involved with being a police officer.

 

You could give them the free rides as a sign of appreciation, but I don't think it will do much in terms of safety.

 

Not all of them are 65+ and most of them do walk around armed as they are allowed to carry their fireweapon w/them for protection to my knowledge, so they can serve as a form of protection and infact they have.

[PopsicleXGirl]

I never said that we should get Unlimited MetroCards.

 

By the way, speaking of free rides, St. John's College, Wagner College, and CSI have free shuttle buses to and from St. George, paid for by the federal government. I think that they should be taken away (in addition to any similar shuttle buses), and the students who are affected by that should receive a free or discounted MetroCard. It is cheaper for the federal government to pay the full $2.25 fare for the students and have them take a regular bus than it is to run a special bus just for them.

 

NOTE: This would only apply to colleges who formerly had these free shuttles and would be losing them.

 

when i went to CSI, i didn't get free shuttle bus service to the ferry. i had to get a job and pay for it myself. if it gets scrapped, tough luck.

[INDman]

But that is the thing: At 65+ years old, are they really capable of handling any crime committed? I'm sure there are plenty of cops who wanted to continue, but felt that they were too old to actually handle the duties that are involved with being a police officer.

 

You could give them the free rides as a sign of appreciation, but I don't think it will do much in terms of safety.

 

You know that an NYPD cop could retire when 41 since you need to be 21 to be hired?

[checkmatechamp13]

when i went to CSI, i didn't get free shuttle bus service to the ferry. i had to get a job and pay for it myself. if it gets scrapped, tough luck.

 

Whatever. The point of the shuttle bus was because it was supposedly hard to get from St. George to CSI. Why they had to make it free I don't know, but giving them a free MetroCard would probably satisfy them, since anybody who doesn't use transfers or an Unlimited MetroCard would still get a free ride.

 

In any case, I'm sure there are a good portion who use transfers and/or Unlimited MetroCards, so they wouldn't be affected.

 

You know that an NYPD cop could retire when 41 since you need to be 21 to be hired?

 

I know. But I figure that there might be some who stay until 65, which is the "traditional" retirement age for other occupations.

 

In any case, cops do start to slow down after 20 years on the job.

[Joel Up Front]

A cop is always a cop, whether they're retired or not. They don't take on the job for the pension. They do it because they feel that they are needed to serve and protect their fellow citizens, at least here in the States anyway. Sure they get a pension and some freebies, but there is nothing in terms of salary that compensates them enough for them putting their lives on the line everyday.

 

There is, that's called the Nassau County Police Department, also known as "All our Police Force is from the city" with its near 100K salaries.

[INDman]

 

I know. But I figure that there might be some who stay until 65, which is the "traditional" retirement age for other occupations.

In any case, cops do start to slow down after 20 years on the job.

 

Not always true, a friend of mine has 19 years on and his partner has 22 and their still on patrol. Don't try to paint a picture with a broad bush, it will look like sh*t.

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[R32 3838]

I could Care less what happens, I rather Buy A monthy Unlimted Metrocard then to have a half fare, And for the ones talking shit, STFU because you don't know how it feels when you can't afford certain things,Alot of people are going through this shit, Not everyone has alot, Yeah People have too many damn kids but oh well, and for the ones kissing the (MTA)'s ass is a F*(king Moron because they are also taking money that we pay to ride their system since 1968 so The MTA isn't the good guy ether, And Jobs are not as easy Minimum wage can't Pay Rent, Half of these college students live in shelters or on the streets and they try hard to get a education, Most of them have roommates, Not everyone is spoiled, See How it feels when Your ass is going though what these people are going though, and Im speaking for the good people, not the bad.