M Myrtle Avenue Local

[TwoTimer]

The ( and could switch terminals (uptown to Middle Village, Forest Hills to Brighton) if only a switch north of Bway-Lafayette were added. Just a fantasy note as we know that throws 6Av into knots, lol.

[Bstyles]

The reason they changed it to "MYRTLE AV LCL" was for the renaming of "Court Square-23 Street". Also the doesn't go through Jamaica at all. It would actually be best if they changed it to "QUEENS BLVD LCL, since Myrtle Avenue is already a local line.

 

The reason its called Myrtle Avenue Local is because there's no express service along Myrtle Avenue, not because of the renaming of a station(there hasn't been express service along Myrtle in decades). And it's already called Queens Boulevard Local. Try looking at the destination signs sometime.

[Grand Concourse]

Just like how the has 'Sea Beach exp'. There is no express service on Sea beach. The is express on 4th Av and then local on Sea Beach. Ideally it should be 4th Av exp via Sea Beach or something [but I guess space must be an issue].

[Guest lance25]

"4 AV EXP/SEA BCH" and "4 AV EXP/WEST END" would probably fit on the side signs, but I think it's labeled as it is now because Transit considers Fourth Avenue as a feeder line so "SEA BEACH EXP" means Fourth Avenue Express/Sea Beach Local. Of course, we run into trouble along the West End where there actually is an express track in active use. Send a diverted train as a down the West End and it's displayed as "WEST END EXP", whether or not it actually runs express on the West End line proper.

[Eric B]

Would probably have to use "Super Express" or "Thru Express" (didn't they used to use that on the ?)

[TwoTimer]

Was Thru Express when the redbirds were around...

[Buddy]

"4 AV EXP/SEA BCH" and "4 AV EXP/WEST END" would probably fit on the side signs, but I think it's labeled as it is now because Transit considers Fourth Avenue as a feeder line so "SEA BEACH EXP" means Fourth Avenue Express/Sea Beach Local. Of course, we run into trouble along the West End where there actually is an express track in active use. Send a diverted train as a down the West End and it's displayed as "WEST END EXP", whether or not it actually runs express on the West End line proper.

 

It should be a diverted , right?

[Guest lance25]

Usually, but sometimes the crews change the signs to a train. Same thing with the rerouted trains via the West End.

[KeystoneRegional]

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[EE Broadway Local]

Culver is a historic B.M.T. line name.

 

I like the change to Myrtle Avenue Local (or LCL). :tup:

Culver Lcl should be changed to MCDONALD AV LCL

[peacemak3r]

On the map, it technically runs E 15 St.

 

Technically it runs between E 15 and E 16. It probably look weird if it read: E15-E16 Local.

[MikeGerald]

In the Bronx on the #2 and #5 lines - at the 149th Street-Third Avenue station the question that is on the minds of many of the #5 riders during the rush hours, and the Bronx-bound trips - is whether the #5 train that they are riding is local or express. If it is express, they have to change to the #2 train. It is a simple question - so having signs that say, "Bronx Exp" is a clear answer.

 

During the non-rush hours - #5 trains make all stops in both directions, but that is usually not the case during the rush hours, except for G.O. periods like now. At one time, only #5 trains out of 241st-White Plains Road ran express during the rush hours, while #5 trains out of Dyre Avenue were local, now both are express rush hours - at least on the map.

 

The "#5 Thru-Express or Super-Express" pre-dates the "Red-Bird" trains, especially given the history of the White Plains Road line. The "express" of the #5 train usually referred to the Manhattan operation from 125th Street to/from Brooklyn Bridge (same as the #4). On many lines the "express" section usually refers to the Manhattan section with notable exceptions for 2 Queens lines, and 3 Brooklyn lines.

 

The "super-express" or "thru-Express" referred to the Bronx section from the days when what would be called the #5 route owned the entire route to/from 241st Street-WPR from the 1920's onward. Even as the #5-route was dedicated to the Dyre Avenue segment from 1965 and reduced to a rush hours only operation along WPR - the concept of the "thru-express" remained - it referred to the Bronx section. The model of train car had nothing to do with it.

 

Mike

[MikeGerald]

The M-train has been the Myrtle Avenue local for decades - whether it traveled along the Brighton Beach line in Brooklyn to Coney Island, or along the West End line to Bay Parkway - it's association with the Myrtle Avenue segment has never dimmed.

 

The current edition of the M-train traveling along Queens Blvd still does not diminish the association with Myrtle Avenue. In fact the major reason why the current M-train is on Queens Blvd and is still called the M-train has to do with the Myrtle Avenue segment and its riders.

 

Mike

[R188 7857]

Just like how the has 'Sea Beach exp'. There is no express service on Sea beach. The is express on 4th Av and then local on Sea Beach. Ideally it should be 4th Av exp via Sea Beach or something [but I guess space must be an issue].

 

I wish it was like this :

Coney Island

Broadway Lcl

4 Av Exp

Sea Beach Lcl

[Culver Line]

The Sea Beach Express is also a historical BMT name and should be kept, even though it never ran express along its dedicated tracks (except for the short-lived NX).

[VIP]

I think the old program "JAMAICA LCL" should display on the line going towards Jamaica. technically the (J)/(Z) runs express and skip-stop. the single "NASSAU ST LOCAL" does no justice when its Jamaica bound. the signage can be these examples below;

To Jamaica Ctr : 1] JAMAICA LCL 2] JAMAICA CENTER

To Broad Street : 1] NASSAU ST EXP 2] VIA JAMAICA AV 3 BROAD ST

[Guest lance25]

You know they can't do that. It goes against the unwritten rule that all trunk lines have to be named after streets in Manhattan, even if it is on Nassau Street for a grand total of two stops.

[MikeGerald]

On the MTA website on the current June-2011 Service Guide the J-train is listed as the Nassau Street Local, while the Z-train is listed as the Nassau Street Express.

 

Thus there is a local and an express counterpart, or do you want the maps to list like they did in the 1970's that the F-train is the Sixth Avenue Express because it makes all local stops in Manhattan but was express in Brooklyn and Queens at the time? While the K-train was the only Sixth AVenue local - meaning that non-rush hours the Sixth Avenue line had NO local service?

 

This is similar to the time when the subway maps listed every stop that an "express train" made as an "express stop" even though in every physical sense of the word - the stations physically - track-wise - platform wise - sequence of stops - the stations were NO DIFFERENT from local stops by local trains. But the mighty word "express" seems to have some kind of magical property that seems to make some people's "eyes glaze over like zombies". Please!

 

Why does almost every train HAVE to be listed as an "express" in order to be valid for the transit fan? It sure seems like transit fans like nothing but "express trains".

 

The same current Service Guide on the MTA website also lists the L-train as the 14th Street-Canarsie Local, and the #7-train as the Flushing Local, with a rush hours #7 Flushing Express.

 

Mike

[Roadcruiser1]

The age of express trains will be over when they install timers all over the express tracks. Then we will see what is the use of being express then.

[RTOMan]

Usually, but sometimes the crews change the signs to a train. Same thing with the rerouted trains via the West End.

 

Which they are NOT supposed to do as per Bulletin...

[Fresh Pond]

I think the old program "JAMAICA LCL" should display on the line going towards Jamaica. technically the (J)/(Z) runs express and skip-stop. the single "NASSAU ST LOCAL" does no justice when its Jamaica bound. the signage can be these examples below;

To Jamaica Ctr : 1] JAMAICA LCL 2] JAMAICA CENTER

To Broad Street : 1] NASSAU ST EXP 2] VIA JAMAICA AV 3 BROAD ST

 

When the (J)/(Z) does skip-stop, the interior sign (the one that shows the next stop) shows "NASSAU ST EXPRESS JAMAICA SKIP-STOP" when the C/R first changes the sign but I guess it just says "SKIP-STOP" on the outside due to lack of space

[Guest lance25]

Which they are NOT supposed to do as per Bulletin...

 

Which I still don't get seeing as we're not talking about the older fleet with rollsigns, but rather newer trains with digital displays. I completely understand the issue with the rollsigns, especially if the reading is quite a few turns away from the normal position, but on the NTTs, that's hardly an issue since the signs can be changed at the push of a button. We all know how the masses avoid a rerouted train like the plague, even if the train runs the exact same route as the normal one (like the via Crosstown), so it makes some sort of sense in terms of passengers recognizing a rather than an at Myrtle-Willoughby Avs.

 

Then there's the issue of a particular reroute not being in the system, mostly for emergency routings. If I'm not mistaken, the to 168 St still isn't in the system, so the crews' options are either change the program to one for the or make manual announcements.

[TwoTimer]

I haven't seen what actually is in the computer as I'm up front and I let the C/R handle that. The 142/A program setup is much easier to begin with and to modify.