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Nassau County Exec Mangano & Islanders reach deal on new LI Coliseum pending Voter approval

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New Islanders arena headed for vote

By SELIM ALGAR and BRETT CYRGALIS

NY Post

May 11, 2011

 

The Islanders' prayers for a new arena may finally be answered -- keeping the team on Long Island.

 

A sweeping plan is to be announced today under which the aging Nassau Coliseum would be torn down and replaced by a facility that would be built on the site, along with new housing units and a baseball field, sources said.

 

Officials from the team will join Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano for a morning news conference to unveil plans for a public referendum on whether to raze the 39-year-old Coliseum.

 

Officials with knowledge of the plan said the price could reach up to $500 million, 20 percent more than Mangano's $400 million estimate just last month.

 

Scrapped from the proposal was a public-private partnership with the Shinnecock Indian Nation to develop a gaming casino on the land that surrounds the arena.

 

Civic, religious and business leaders had lined up with Hofstra University against a casino, fearing it could lower the quality of life in the community.

 

County officials instead will sign off on a plan for the Shinnecocks to open up shop at Belmont Park.

 

"A project of this magnitude would create thousands of jobs, generate hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue annually and would increase tourism in Nassau County," Mangano said in his state-of-the-county speech last month. "Best yet, it would help keep our New York Islanders here in Nassau County."

 

Islanders' owner Charles Wang has said he is exploring all options, including pulling the team out of the area if a new arena isn't built. Kansas City has been one rumored destination.

 

The arena plan is not going over without a hitch. Shinnecock leaders say they believe they've been body checked. A source with the tribe said leaders were "disappointed at the abandonment" of the county's proposal.

 

The source said the Belmont Park endorsement would set up a "war" with Genting International, the group that is running slot machines at Aqueduct Raceway."

 

 

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/islanders/new_isles_arena_headed_for_vote_neGB2eN3G29rOdVTeUN5VM#ixzz1M4MyCFJu

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New Islanders arena headed for vote

By SELIM ALGAR and BRETT CYRGALIS

NY Post

May 11, 2011

 

The Islanders' prayers for a new arena may finally be answered -- keeping the team on Long Island.

 

A sweeping plan is to be announced today under which the aging Nassau Coliseum would be torn down and replaced by a facility that would be built on the site, along with new housing units and a baseball field, sources said.

 

Officials from the team will join Nassau County Executive Edward Mangano for a morning news conference to unveil plans for a public referendum on whether to raze the 39-year-old Coliseum.

 

Officials with knowledge of the plan said the price could reach up to $500 million, 20 percent more than Mangano's $400 million estimate just last month.

 

Scrapped from the proposal was a public-private partnership with the Shinnecock Indian Nation to develop a gaming casino on the land that surrounds the arena.

 

Civic, religious and business leaders had lined up with Hofstra University against a casino, fearing it could lower the quality of life in the community.

 

County officials instead will sign off on a plan for the Shinnecocks to open up shop at Belmont Park.

 

"A project of this magnitude would create thousands of jobs, generate hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue annually and would increase tourism in Nassau County," Mangano said in his state-of-the-county speech last month. "Best yet, it would help keep our New York Islanders here in Nassau County."

 

Islanders' owner Charles Wang has said he is exploring all options, including pulling the team out of the area if a new arena isn't built. Kansas City has been one rumored destination.

 

The arena plan is not going over without a hitch. Shinnecock leaders say they believe they've been body checked. A source with the tribe said leaders were "disappointed at the abandonment" of the county's proposal.

 

The source said the Belmont Park endorsement would set up a "war" with Genting International, the group that is running slot machines at Aqueduct Raceway."

 

 

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/islanders/new_isles_arena_headed_for_vote_neGB2eN3G29rOdVTeUN5VM#ixzz1M4MyCFJu

 

 

I find it funny that Mangano has found a way for Nassau County residents to pay for most of the costs of this new $300-$400 Million arena. According to early news reports, the Islanders Owner Charles Wang pay almost nothing other than possible cost overruns.

Yet Mangano did not want to ask those same residents an estimated $30-$40 Million for basic bus service in western Long Island.

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That's because Mangano knows who is voting for him. Long Islanders overall care far more about the Islanders than they do about local bus service. This is great news as the Islanders have been in desperate need of a new arena, and the funds generated from the new arena will probably off set most of the costs passed on to taxpayers. In sum, you can call this an investment of sorts, where as the LI Bus isn't viewed as such by most folks in Nassau.

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That's because Mangano knows who is voting for him. Long Islanders overall care far more about the Islanders than they do about local bus service. This is great news as the Islanders have been in desperate need of a new arena, and the funds generated from the new arena will probably off set most of the costs passed on to taxpayers. In sum, you can call this an investment of sorts, where as the LI Bus isn't viewed as such by most folks in Nassau.

 

 

Good point. An election of getting a project like a new Isles Arena/Entertainment complex has a much better chance of being approved in Car-loving Nassau, LI than a much cheaper multi-million proposal such as increased funding for Local LI Bus service.

 

On same day the Isles got a tenative deal for new home, the NHL Phoenix Coyotes got a new deal to stay in Arizona.

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Good point. An election of getting a project like a new Isles Arena/Entertainment complex has a much better chance of being approved in Car-loving Nassau, LI than a much cheaper multi-million proposal such as increased funding for Local LI Bus service.

 

On same day the Isles got a tenative deal for new home, the NHL Phoenix Coyotes got a new deal to stay in Arizona.

 

Nice to see the Coyotes are staying put in Phoenix, although I still think it would be great to see hockey again in Winnipeg. :cool:

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Nice to see the Coyotes are staying put in Phoenix, although I still think it would be great to see hockey again in Winnipeg. :cool:

 

If the NHL expands again, it should be to Winnipeg and Hamilton, Ontario. Quebec City is too close (about a 90-minute drive)to Montreal.

 

Back to topic. Mangano was just on a short while ago (5/11/11)on WFAN's Mike Francesa talking about the deal. Hope this link works.

 

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdX%2FdM%2FdP%2Fd9%2FXMP9_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561453392811025995_NJcM71SX1F4EKaQu0aRvY2k3UVE&podcast_name=Edward+P.+Mangano&podcast_artist=Mike+Francesa&station_id=91&tag=&dcid=CBS.NY

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If the NHL expands again, it should be to Winnipeg and Hamilton, Ontario. Quebec City is too close (about a 90-minute drive)to Montreal.

 

Back to topic. Mangano was just on a short while ago (5/11/11)on WFAN's Mike Francesa talking about the deal. Hope this link works.

 

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/?podcast_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.podtrac.com%2Fpts%2Fredirect.mp3%2Fnyc.podcast.play.it%2Fmedia%2Fd0%2Fd0%2Fd0%2FdX%2FdM%2FdP%2Fd9%2FXMP9_3.MP3%3Fauthtok%3D5561453392811025995_NJcM71SX1F4EKaQu0aRvY2k3UVE&podcast_name=Edward+P.+Mangano&podcast_artist=Mike+Francesa&station_id=91&tag=&dcid=CBS.NY

 

 

I think Québec City should get a team back also. Did you forget the rivalries that the Nordiques and Canadiens had?? :cool:

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Again Wang's officals told WFAN's Francesa that if this deal is voted down by the Nassau voters he will put the team on the market for sale. Thus places like Winnipeg, Hamilton, Kansas City and even Seattle could be on the market.

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Again Wang's officals told WFAN's Francesa that if this deal is voted down by the Nassau voters he will put the team on the market for sale. Thus places like Winnipeg, Hamilton, Kansas City and even Seattle could be on the market.

 

Yeah, well that he has said that for sometime now because he wants a new arena, so anything is possible.

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Nice to see the Coyotes are staying put in Phoenix, although I still think it would be great to see hockey again in Winnipeg. :cool:

 

The Coyotes are still on shaky ground. They still have not found permemanet owners. This 'deal' also provides temopary relief for now.

 

Also with a cloudy future is the Atlanta Trashers.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/7922/glendale-vote-doesnt-mean-stability-in-phoenix

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The Coyotes are still on shaky ground. They still have not found permemanet owners. This 'deal' also provides temopary relief for now.

 

Also with a cloudy future is the Atlanta Trashers.

 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/7922/glendale-vote-doesnt-mean-stability-in-phoenix

 

Oh, you gave me the impression that Phoenix was out of the clouds...

Anywho, no surprise about the Thrashers. They can buy a sellout there to save their lives and they actually have a pretty good team too.

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Oh, you gave me the impression that Phoenix was out of the clouds...

Anywho, no surprise about the Thrashers. They can buy a sellout there to save their lives and they actually have a pretty good team too.

 

My bad. I had to re-read the article about the Phoneix situation and while they did get a so called 1-time 'bailout' from state of Arizona, it only means the team stays in Glendale for another year or two as they must get new and pememament stable ownership group.

 

 

As far as Atlanta, the NHL will always struggle down there unless the team is a Stanley Cup Contender. I know I been there 2x (once for a weekend trip about 7-8 years ago)Atlanta loves the Braves, NFL Falcons and College Football. That despite fact in last 20 years, many people particuarly from the Northeast US including many from NYC area have re-located down there.

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Why can't Wang just move the Islanders to Brooklyn? At least he could 'co-own' the arena to host his team. Cheaper than to build a brand new arena for just one pro-sports team.

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Why can't Wang just move the Islanders to Brooklyn? At least he could 'co-own' the arena to host his team. Cheaper than to build a brand new arena for just one pro-sports team.

 

I guess its because they want to maintain their name as the "Islanders" lol

 

Aside from all this LIB shit going on, this is a pretty smart move by Mangano. Only problem is, how will people get to the new Coliseum knowing that bus service is going to suck?

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I smell a lot of bull...

 

Nice way to expose yourself further as a corrupt politician

 

EDITED.

Edited by SoSpectacular

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I guess its because they want to maintain their name as the "Islanders" lol

 

Aside from all this LIB shit going on, this is a pretty smart move by Mangano. Only problem is, how will people get to the new Coliseum knowing that bus service is going to suck?

 

Well, Brooklyn is on Long Island :P

 

But I have to doubt ppl will be that gullible to vote for that spending, but not support LIB. Support the team, maybe, but transit should be more important.

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I'd laugh my ass off hardbody if the Islanders just nosedived after everything was done. Sure, care about focking hockey more than peoples' lives hanging in the balance of this whole LIB thing.

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I smell a lot of bull...

 

Nice way to expose yourself as a corrupt politician

 

In this current day in age, what politician isnt corrupt in some way, shape or form?

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I guess its because they want to maintain their name as the "Islanders" lol

 

Aside from all this LIB shit going on, this is a pretty smart move by Mangano. Only problem is, how will people get to the new Coliseum knowing that bus service is going to suck?

 

by car, Exit M4 on the Meadowbrook Parkway or from Hempstead Turnpike (NY 24)

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by car, Exit M4 on the Meadowbrook Parkway or from Hempstead Turnpike (NY 24)

 

The trend foxie with almost all of the new sports stadium/ballparks and arenas in last 10-15 years in America has been trying to bulid at both a major highway and light rail/train location.

 

The new Islanders arena is still a few miles from the nearest LIRR station at Hempstead. I still not sure this will pass.

 

If so Wang's last option to stay in the NY area is to move to the Nets new arena in Brooklyn which I heard he has already turned down.

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In this current day in age, what politician isnt corrupt in some way, shape or form?

 

Yeah, fixed my post there...

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The trend foxie with almost all of the new sports stadium/ballparks and arenas in last 10-15 years in America has been trying to bulid at both a major highway and light rail/train location.

 

The new Islanders arena is still a few miles from the nearest LIRR station at Hempstead. I still not sure this will pass.

 

If so Wang's last option to stay in the NY area is to move to the Nets new arena in Brooklyn which I heard he has already turned down.

 

welcome to Robert Moses' America, there is no major train station by the Nassau Hub area.

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If I was a Nassau county resident, I would be outraged at this.....

They supposedly don't have enough money to fund for the county's (bus) public transportation system, but miraculously the county came in to 400 million - and worse, decide to invest all of that for an arena.... I mean, what a slap in the face....

 

 

Why can't Wang just move the Islanders to Brooklyn? At least he could 'co-own' the arena to host his team. Cheaper than to build a brand new arena for just one pro-sports team.

 

hah... You tryna make Brooklyn the laughing stock of professional sports (teams)....

bad enough we're already inheriting the Nets....

 

speaking of which, I'm still trying to figure out where all these people (when the Nets come here, I mean) are gonna park...

 

 

theyre seriously worried about the Quality of life in Uniondale? how much worse could a casino make it?

Well, casino's have a tendency to attract stragglers (see atlantic city & that casino out in Yonkers).... furthermore, the "spillage" from Hempstead carries over to Uniondale (in other words, the area, currently, isn't much to be desired)... both those areas are synonymous w/ each other.... I'd be a little concerned about the QoL of that area also.....

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Why can't Wang just move the Islanders to Brooklyn? At least he could 'co-own' the arena to host his team. Cheaper than to build a brand new arena for just one pro-sports team.

 

 

He wants an arena that he doesn't have to fight over. That new arena in Brooklyn is already scheduled to host many other events besides the Nets games and having that many events in one place means more than likely sh*tty ice to play on, not to mention longer road trips than usual to accomodate the other events, which could put the team at a disadvantage. He is smart not to move to Brooklyn. He wants an arena that can attract big names in the sport and moving to Brooklyn would not do that. The New York Islanders do have history on Long Island. They have won several Stanley Cups, but their glory days have been long gone, especially because they don't have a new arena to bring in the big names to make the team a contender again.

 

The Rangers are an original six team, so automatically players want to play for the Rangers. The Islanders especially these days are sort of a has been looking to improve.

 

All and all, Mangano is making a smart move. The new arena will create thousands of local jobs, both short term and long term, some of those jobs will be high paying jobs (i.e. construction, etc.) and it will allow Long Island to host other big time events to draw more money into Nassau County. The difference is that the Islanders will still be the big event since they won't be competing for attention from another professional team.

 

 

I also agree with Mangano on the transportation issue. It's as if there is a love affair with the (MTA). Is there no other capable transportation agency around that can move people efficiently and be cost effective??? Clearly the majority of the people that voted for him seem to think that there is. Aside from this forum and the folks that use LIB, I haven't heard many Long Islanders complaining about the whole thing, so it seems to me that the majority of Long Islanders want this. Their property taxes and such are sky high so they're looking for relief wherever they can get it.

 

 

If I was a Nassau county resident, I would be outraged at this.....

They supposedly don't have enough money to fund for the county's (bus) public transportation system, but miraculously the county came in to 400 million - and worse, decide to invest all of that for an arena.... I mean, what a slap in the face....

 

You said the key word... INVEST and this is exactly what it's about. Long Island overall will benefit from the new arena and the $400 million spent will bring back much more in returns by way of jobs, other events where folks will spend money and may help to spur further local growth with people coming to the arena and then going around Long Island to shop etc. If Mangano can get more done with another transportation provider, more power to him. I quite frankly am sick of the (MTA) and their lack of accountability and reckless spending except for when it comes to services. There it's cut cut cut. As an a fiscally conservative Independent, Ed Mangano would certainly get my vote.

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