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MTA plans v 2.0

 

BxM4 - Extended to Yonkers Avenue, one extra stop on McLean Avenue & Aqueduct Avenue added before Woodlawn Heights. Rush hour service could have every other bus skip stops below Fordham Road going straight to Manhattan. Off peak service every other bus can skip stops after Tremont going straight to Manhattan. This is like every other bus on the BxM1 skipping 207 St and 219/220 Sts at times.

BxM5 - rush hours only (5:00-9:00am, 3:00-7:00pm), split and renumbered from BxM4 service. Starts from Tuckahoe Road goes straight down Central Park Avenue, Jerome Avenue, Bainbridge Avenue to 205 St (skipping Woodlawn Heights), then straight to Manhattan.

BxM8 - renumbered from BxM7A, a few more rush hour City Island trips added.

City Island trips will skip Crosby Avenue and Westchester Avenue, speeding up the trip. Summer weekend service extended to/from City Island to increase ridership and tourism.

BxM11 - rush hour run offs and put ins to/from Yonkers Depot extended to/from Downtown Mount Vernon (makes same stops as W41 and W43 from 241 St to Downtown Mount Vernon bus transfer area, maximize revenue and profit). All other buses to/from 241 St only

BxM18 - Extended to/from Getty Square via Riverdale Avenue (run offs, put ins to/from Yonkers Depot maximize revenue and profit by picking up some Yonkers passengers instead of deadheading)

Bx23 - late night service added

Q50 - Whitestone Cinemas stop added to increase ridership and accessibility. Late evening service headways decreased from 60 minutes to 30 minutes.

 

The BxM5 should make the Norwood and Yonkers people happy by having that route skip the Concourse completely. The BxM4 should make some Woodlawn and Yonkers people happy by having some buses skip stops after Fordham or Tremont. Other buses would still make all stops.

 

Weekend BxM4 service would run every 30 minutes, the extra buses would skip all stops below Tremont Avenue, while the existing 60 minute service at Yankee Stadium remains. Everyone gets something.

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MY plan DOES NOT put the bus on the deegan it puts BXM4 on the bruckner expressway to bronx river parkway then gun hill all trips period a separate extention of the M35 to grand concourse yankee stadium via madison ave bridge to make links with BX1 limited again let those grand concourse riders use BX1 limited or bring back BX2 limited. No express bus should even touch grand concourse if it does it should not be called express period.

 

Split the BxM4 like the BxM1 stops in Upper Manhattan are every other bus during the daytime. Half of the BxM4 buses would go express after Fordham or Tremont Av /177 St. This makes everyone happy. Much better than having NYCT spend money just to replace an express bus.

 

M35 to the Bronx, what a waste of MTA funds. Money would be better spent extending the Bx39 down to Clason Point 24/7.

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Again why the need for "A" and "B" buses for the BXM4 Greatone? Have you riden on the BXM4 at all or recently in last year or so Great One?

 

Trust me the BXM4 does not need a 'super express' maybe other than 1-2 trips during rush hours in peak direction if down the road ridership increases.

The (MTA) cancelled late in 2010(correct me if wrong) a BXM4 'super express' between Manhattan and 233rdSt/Jerome Ave. Hell the BXM7 Coop City Branch does not have a 'super express.'

 

Just run the BXM4 in current form IMO with an extension to Yonkers Raceway/Empire City or Cross County and can stops *south* of Tremont Ave/Concourse.

 

 

On your idea to extend the W40/41 to 241st at least on all day Weekdays and even on Saturdays, I do agree 100%.

 

The BxM7 has some trips that only serve 1 or 2 sections of Co-Op City during rush hour, and bypass the other sections, so those are super-expresses (not to mention the fact that, once it gets out of Co-Op City, it goes nonstop to Manhattan)

 

Yeah, we need all the express bus service we can get. :cool:

 

Under his plan, the BxM4 skips Yankee Stadium, so you wouldn't benefit (but riders further north would)

 

Gotham heard of the BXM3? It already serves Downtown and South Side Yonkers. So why not have the BXM4 go a quick trip to Yonkers Raceway.

 

Plus quiet a few riders from Yonkers use the BXM4 already that live near McClean Ave. With that said, I do agree Yonkers residents should pay for costs for running NYC based buses BXM3 and BXM4.

 

I agree with the extensions, but I'm not sure if it will generate extra revenue for the MTA. Remember: Metro-North has higher fares than express buses, so if those riders are switching to the new BxM4, the MTA is actually losing a little bit of money.

 

:tdown:

 

its called the 4 train or D train or pay metro-north DO NOT SLOW DOWN A BUS THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE EXPRESS

 

The Express Bus Plus MetroCard allows you to use any express bus in the city and get on and off at whatever stops you choose, as long as they are official stops. If it happens to slow down other people on the bus, so be it.

 

ERR the disabled folk can use BX1 limited the BX1 limited can be extended to manhattan to appease the disabled folk. Then BXM4 will LOSE ALL STOPS ON GRAND CONCOURSE period no questions asked!!!!!!! If anything the BX1 limited will provide a transfer to other express buses that will have one pickup for transfer ppl. Heck I think BXM4 service on grand concourse should run at rush hr only with 4 trips to and from then the rest express via bronx river parkway

 

The Yankee Stadium stop is ADA accessable, so they can take the Bx1 or Bx2 to the 161st Street, and then either walk or take the Bx6/Bx13 to the subway station (riders further north can do this at Fordham Road on the (4))

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Again why the need for "A" and "B" buses for the BXM4 Greatone? Have you riden on the BXM4 at all or recently in last year or so Great One?

 

Trust me the BXM4 does not need a 'super express' maybe other than 1-2 trips during rush hours in peak direction if down the road ridership increases.

The (MTA) cancelled late in 2010(correct me if wrong) a BXM4 'super express' between Manhattan and 233rdSt/Jerome Ave. Hell the BXM7 Coop City Branch does not have a 'super express.'

 

Just run the BXM4 in current form IMO with an extension to Yonkers Raceway/Empire City or Cross County and can stops *south* of Tremont Ave/Concourse.

 

 

On your idea to extend the W40/41 to 241st at least on all day Weekdays and even on Saturdays, I do agree 100%.

 

No I have never been on the BxM4 before, I have been on the BxM4C before and if the BxM4 gets extended into Yonkers, canning stops south of Tremont all together is not going to work. It would be better to split the routes up somehow to preserve Grand Concourse service for those who use it (and yes the buses can get empty on the weekends), but to speed up the trip for Woodlawn and the others above (if it goes to Yonkers). Having every other bus skip all stops south of Tremont/177 makes more sense than canning all stops completely. Grand Concourse riders may complain to the politicians. Woodlawn riders by themselves can't fill up a bus, but with more Yonkers riders the bus could be full (especially if the 4C is canned). The super express was only Woodlawn before, this will obviously be different since the bus won't be empty entering Woodlawn.

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Under his plan, the BxM4 skips Yankee Stadium, so you wouldn't benefit (but riders further north would)

 

Actually, that's not correct. Under his plan, some BXM4s skip Yankees Stadium, but hourly service to Yankees' Stadium is maintained. That's quite reasonable IMO. :cool: The point is ridership could grow thus providing more frequent service, which is what I want to see as an express bus rider. :cool:

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That wasn't in the original plan that you responded to, though.

 

Wrong, under that plan a BxM4A would still make all stops including Yankee Stadium. I would not want to wipe out all service to/from Yankee Stadium. I'm sure NYC would be happy to know that NYC stops are being totally wiped out in exchange for Yonkers stops.

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Split the BxM4 like the BxM1 stops in Upper Manhattan are every other bus during the daytime. Half of the BxM4 buses would go express after Fordham or Tremont Av /177 St. This makes everyone happy. Much better than having NYCT spend money just to replace an express bus.

 

M35 to the Bronx, what a waste of MTA funds. Money would be better spent extending the Bx39 down to Clason Point 24/7.

 

ur NO no buses go down grand concorse period seriously take the D train or 4 train they are express buses for a reason Extending BX1 limited makes more sense all BXM4 goes nonstop between gun hill and bronx river to manhattan this will increase ridership. Let those lazy ass folk learn to use a little something called M35 extension and BX1 limited no express buses belong there STOP!!!! Its like running a bus with stops on queens blvd and calling it express it does not work at all southern bronx needs no express service limited is fast enough

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Wrong, under that plan a BxM4A would still make all stops including Yankee Stadium. I would not want to wipe out all service to/from Yankee Stadium. I'm sure NYC would be happy to know that NYC stops are being totally wiped out in exchange for Yonkers stops.

 

NOT ENOUGH PPL EVEN USE THAT!!!! use metro-north stop duplicating its beyond retarted heck BXM4 is already slow enough as it is with an extension do u really think anyone would use a bus to yonkers that makes ALL STOPS on grand concourse??? SERIOUSLY GET REAL PPL DO NOT WANT THE BUS THERE THEY want it to be express!!!!! period. Have u even used the line at rush some only carry 5 ppl

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MTA plans v 2.0

 

BxM4 - Extended to Yonkers Avenue, one extra stop on McLean Avenue & Aqueduct Avenue added before Woodlawn Heights. Rush hour service could have every other bus skip stops below Fordham Road going straight to Manhattan. Off peak service every other bus can skip stops after Tremont going straight to Manhattan. This is like every other bus on the BxM1 skipping 207 St and 219/220 Sts at times.

BxM5 - rush hours only (5:00-9:00am, 3:00-7:00pm), split and renumbered from BxM4 service. Starts from Tuckahoe Road goes straight down Central Park Avenue, Jerome Avenue, Bainbridge Avenue to 205 St (skipping Woodlawn Heights), then straight to Manhattan.

BxM8 - renumbered from BxM7A, a few more rush hour City Island trips added.

City Island trips will skip Crosby Avenue and Westchester Avenue, speeding up the trip. Summer weekend service extended to/from City Island to increase ridership and tourism.

BxM11 - rush hour run offs and put ins to/from Yonkers Depot extended to/from Downtown Mount Vernon (makes same stops as W41 and W43 from 241 St to Downtown Mount Vernon bus transfer area, maximize revenue and profit). All other buses to/from 241 St only

BxM18 - Extended to/from Getty Square via Riverdale Avenue (run offs, put ins to/from Yonkers Depot maximize revenue and profit by picking up some Yonkers passengers instead of deadheading)

Bx23 - late night service added

Q50 - Whitestone Cinemas stop added to increase ridership and accessibility. Late evening service headways decreased from 60 minutes to 30 minutes.

 

The BxM5 should make the Norwood and Yonkers people happy by having that route skip the Concourse completely. The BxM4 should make some Woodlawn and Yonkers people happy by having some buses skip stops after Fordham or Tremont. Other buses would still make all stops.

 

Weekend BxM4 service would run every 30 minutes, the extra buses would skip all stops below Tremont Avenue, while the existing 60 minute service at Yankee Stadium remains. Everyone gets something.

 

err the BXM4 PART= FAIL The BXM5 should be the one running all day the BXM4 should get only rush hr service limited service adjusted to the demand it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE RUNNING EMPTY BUSES EVERY 30 MINS!!!! use the 4 and u will know what I mean Its like trying to enhance the QM3

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err the BXM4 PART= FAIL The BXM5 should be the one running all day the BXM4 should get only rush hr service limited service adjusted to the demand it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE RUNNING EMPTY BUSES EVERY 30 MINS!!!! use the 4 and u will know what I mean Its like trying to enhance the QM3

 

 

Yeah, that's right, cut the BXM4 and provide no substantial alternative to an overcrowded (4) train. Great idea!!

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The BxM4 doesn't take off a significant number of passengers from the (4) train. It sucks for those 10 people who take the BxM4 along the Grand Concourse, but it benefits everybody further north.

 

That's not the point though. My point is if you're going to suggest slashing service, then provide a real alternative. The (4) which is crushloaded is not a relative alternative for BXM4 riders.

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That's not the point though. My point is if you're going to suggest slashing service, then provide a real alternative. The (4) which is crushloaded is not a relative alternative for BXM4 riders.

 

But why should they have an alternative if people in areas that are similar demographically don't have alternatives? There is no alternative in Bed-Stuy, or Morrisania (Except for the overpriced Metro-North)

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But why should they have an alternative if people in areas that are similar demographically don't have alternatives? There is no alternative in Bed-Stuy, or Morrisania (Except for the overpriced Metro-North)

 

Well if that's the case then why should Mariners Harbor get the X30??? They've got the X12 for starters AND the X17 further over and the X12 isn't even heavily used in Mariners Harbor.

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I've been silent in this thread for a reason...

but with a lot of what I'm reading here, I gotta stop/pause/delete - start/defeat...

 

 

- First of all, since when did express service to Yankee Stadium become so important.... just keep buses @ 161st/GC & be done w/ it....

 

- Next, as far as extending the M35 to the Bronx, that is 100% pointless.... Especially when you got the Bx15 right there on 125th... and on top of that, especially when the M35 has a very specific purpose... Why do you think the M35 was cut back from serving Astoria many moons ago.... If you don't know/realize who's riding these services to/from where @ what capacity, I suggest that you either do some researching before you blurt out ideas, or don't post them at all, for the sake of not looking straight up ignorant....

 

- As far as extending the Bx1 to Manhattan, forget about that also.... Riverdale/Kingsbridge folk will fight against that.... The Bx2 has no connection w/ the (1) train up there (while the Bx1 does)... don't undermine that... Bx1 service isn't ONLY folks hopping along the Concourse.....

 

- All this service to/from Yonkers; extending BxM18's, creating different variants of the BxM4 (again).... Why is any of this necessary? (and don't give me, well, because Yonkers depot is right there).... If that's the case, a s**tload of local routes here in the boroughs should be extended....

 

Furthermore, and granted, the BxMc4 has a high chance of dying off eventually.... but my thing is, why are/should we (as in, NYC) supplying EXPRESS bus service up & from some Tuckahoe road, at all?.... I wouldn't even bother, but hell, you wanna supply service to the Casino, fine - the parking lot could even serve as park & ride... but let's not get crazy here with supplying excessive services, regardless if it's "zero cost"....

 

 

the rest of GreatOne2k's ideas I didn't comment on, I don't have much of, or any problem with....

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That's not the point though. My point is if you're going to suggest slashing service, then provide a real alternative. The (4) which is crushloaded is not a relative alternative for BXM4 riders.

 

DID you even read my earlier post what point of use BX1 limited then transfer to another bus do u not get. Plus the 4 isnt the only subway its called the D train at rush hr the D is faster. Seriously 10 ppl CMON now that makes the service on grand concourse even more useless than I thought!!!!! NOW it is just plain WASTE. Express bus on grand concourse= WASTE= EPIC FAIL!!!!!

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I've been silent in this thread for a reason...

but with a lot of what I'm reading here, I gotta stop/pause/delete - start/defeat...

 

 

- First of all, since when did express service to Yankee Stadium become so important.... just keep buses @ 161st/GC & be done w/ it....

 

- Next, as far as extending the M35 to the Bronx, that is 100% pointless.... Especially when you got the Bx15 right there on 125th... and on top of that, especially when the M35 has a very specific purpose... Why do you think the M35 was cut back from serving Astoria many moons ago.... If you don't know/realize who's riding these services to/from where @ what capacity, I suggest that you either do some researching before you blurt out ideas, or don't post them at all, for the sake of not looking straight up ignorant....

 

- As far as extending the Bx1 to Manhattan, forget about that also.... Riverdale/Kingsbridge folk will fight against that.... The Bx2 has no connection w/ the (1) train up there (while the Bx1 does)... don't undermine that... Bx1 service isn't ONLY folks hopping along the Concourse.....

 

- All this service to/from Yonkers; extending BxM18's, creating different variants of the BxM4 (again).... Why is any of this necessary? (and don't give me, well, because Yonkers depot is right there).... If that's the case, a s**tload of local routes here in the boroughs should be extended....

 

Furthermore, and granted, the BxMc4 has a high chance of dying off eventually.... but my thing is, why are/should we (as in, NYC) supplying EXPRESS bus service up & from some Tuckahoe road, at all?.... I wouldn't even bother, but hell, you wanna supply service to the Casino, fine - the parking lot could even serve as park & ride... but let's not get crazy here with supplying excessive services, regardless if it's "zero cost"....

 

 

the rest of GreatOne2k's ideas I didn't comment on, I don't have much of, or any problem with....

 

SMART I only suggested M35 extension to silence my opponents thats all. If I had my way they would use BX1 limited then transfer to BX15!!! NO express bus needed on grand concourse period checkmate 13 admitted it It has less than 10 ppl

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But why should they have an alternative if people in areas that are similar demographically don't have alternatives? There is no alternative in Bed-Stuy, or Morrisania (Except for the overpriced Metro-North)

 

Those areas have subway there is no need for express buses there otherwise they wont be express. It's like extending B44 to manhattan and calling it BM6 seriously!!!!! Express means it uses the highway period. If the highway is not involved its not express just a rip-off most ppl on grand concourse know this hence why they DO NOT use BXM4!!! seriously who would use an express bus to bed stuy??? err no one.

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DID you even read my earlier post what point of use BX1 limited then transfer to another bus do u not get. Plus the 4 isnt the only subway its called the D train at rush hr the D is faster. Seriously 10 ppl CMON now that makes the service on grand concourse even more useless than I thought!!!!! NOW it is just plain WASTE. Express bus on grand concourse= WASTE= EPIC FAIL!!!!!

 

You just love yelling and ranting about express bus service being a waste. Just calm down already. Jesus. B) If you actually would stop using caps everywhere, maybe I'd consider having a civil conversation with you. Do you know how many times you've b*tched and moaned about the BXM4 express buses and the QM4 and QM3? It's like never ending! What other ideas do you have besides eliminating these 4 express bus lines?? If folks like you were so "passionate" about waste, the (MTA) wouldn't had to have cut any subway, local bus or express bus service to begin with because they would've had their fiscal house in order.

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I've been silent in this thread for a reason...

but with a lot of what I'm reading here, I gotta stop/pause/delete - start/defeat...

 

 

- First of all, since when did express service to Yankee Stadium become so important.... just keep buses @ 161st/GC & be done w/ it....

 

- Next, as far as extending the M35 to the Bronx, that is 100% pointless.... Especially when you got the Bx15 right there on 125th... and on top of that, especially when the M35 has a very specific purpose... Why do you think the M35 was cut back from serving Astoria many moons ago.... If you don't know/realize who's riding these services to/from where @ what capacity, I suggest that you either do some researching before you blurt out ideas, or don't post them at all, for the sake of not looking straight up ignorant....

 

- As far as extending the Bx1 to Manhattan, forget about that also.... Riverdale/Kingsbridge folk will fight against that.... The Bx2 has no connection w/ the (1) train up there (while the Bx1 does)... don't undermine that... Bx1 service isn't ONLY folks hopping along the Concourse.....

 

- All this service to/from Yonkers; extending BxM18's, creating different variants of the BxM4 (again).... Why is any of this necessary? (and don't give me, well, because Yonkers depot is right there).... If that's the case, a s**tload of local routes here in the boroughs should be extended....

 

Furthermore, and granted, the BxMc4 has a high chance of dying off eventually.... but my thing is, why are/should we (as in, NYC) supplying EXPRESS bus service up & from some Tuckahoe road, at all?.... I wouldn't even bother, but hell, you wanna supply service to the Casino, fine - the parking lot could even serve as park & ride... but let's not get crazy here with supplying excessive services, regardless if it's "zero cost"....

 

 

the rest of GreatOne2k's ideas I didn't comment on, I don't have much of, or any problem with....

 

The Bx1 extension to Manhattan wouldn't even do any good anyway: You're still connecting to the crowded Lexington Avenue Line (and the M15 +SBS+). Maybe if the Second Avenue Subway were built, that would work (though like you said, it would make the Bx1 more unreliable), but without it, forget it.

 

I think people are advocating for the BxM18 extension to Yonkers because those buses are all deadheading there anyway. For other routes that end near a depot, it might not make as much sense to terminate them there, since only a couple of runs are benefitting from the increased proximity to the depot (since they aren't actually going into the depot itself)

 

The thing about running service up to Tuckahoe Road is that it miight not be as "zero-cost" as you think: I'm sure that 95% of all of the people who intend to use transit to travel around that area are already using it, so you might be causing some riders to switch from Metro-North (which is more expensive than the express bus), or possibly from the BL-20/BL-21, so you'll probably still lose money on the extension.

 

By the way, who operates the BxM4C? Is it the Westchester DOT? Is it possible that the MTA could run the extended BxM4 and the DOT can reimburse them for the expenses of running in Westchester?

 

further proving my point that the BXM4 has no business running on grand concourse

 

10 people is an exaggeration: I doubt ridership is that low along the Grand Concourse, but I was just saying how few people would actually be affected.

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Yes, the BxMc4 is a Bee-Line route....

 

....and I had zero cost in quotes, because quite frankly, it had zero bearing on what I said in that last post...

 

 

I'll admit, express usage along the Concourse isn't great, but nowhere near being THAT low (10 ppl).... If that were the case, the 4a AND the 4b would have been gone....

 

I agree w/ what the MTA did, in getting rid of the 4a, ridding itself of the 4b notation & calling it the 4, and altering what resembles a combination of service levels on the 4a & 4b, to reflect what is the current 4....

 

...b/c at one point, weekend service on the 4a was every hour (which was simply too much), and service on the 4b was every 2 hrs (which was absolutely useless to potential riders)..... you can check the stats for your reassurance or w/e, but IMO, out of all the Bronx expresses, the 4a had to be the lowest used route, weekend and/or weekday...

 

^^ I'm not counting the 7b... that only had like what, 2 runs....

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