Fresh Pond Posted June 11, 2011 Share #26 Posted June 11, 2011 When I needed to connect the Main Railway to the Mountain Railway, I made sure I maintained all the necessary roads and bridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceya Posted June 11, 2011 Share #27 Posted June 11, 2011 Re: this post (because I didn't want to quote that wall of text) How Second Avenue Keeps Getting Delayed/Cancelled: first conceived in 1930s by IND (as part of the Second System); cancelled due to Great Depression Concieved around 1919 S/F, CEYA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 11, 2011 Share #28 Posted June 11, 2011 What was really impressive was how massive a trunk line the Second Avenue Subway would have had been if the IND Second System was built. The original idea for the Second Avenue Subway included 6 tracks. There would have had been 2 local tracks, 2 express tracks, and 2 super express tracks. It would have had made a massive dent in the lack of mass transit if the same idea was conceived today. The architects, engineers, and urban planners of the past had a real passion of building and constructing for the future. They had grand dreams, and a powerful vision, but today we lack that vision as other nations improve their mass transit. We lag behind on massive construction at which one point we were the major builders. I am wondering now. What happened to us? What happened to all these past builders? What happened to the dream of building for the future and planning for the people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andres Posted June 11, 2011 Share #29 Posted June 11, 2011 What was really impressive was how massive a trunk line the Second Avenue Subway would have had been if the IND Second System was built. The original idea for the Second Avenue Subway included 6 tracks. There would have had been 2 local tracks, 2 express tracks, and 2 super express tracks. It would have had made a massive dent in the lack of mass transit if the same idea was conceived today. The architects, engineers, and urban planners of the past had a real passion of building and constructing for the future. They had grand dreams, and a powerful vision, but today we lack that vision as other nations improve their mass transit. We lag behind on massive construction at which one point we were the major builders. I am wondering now. What happened to us? What happened to all these past builders? What happened to the dream of building for the future and planning for the people? finally someone pointed that out. back in the day the developers, planners, and architects took chances when forward without looking back took wild steps to get it done, now its not the same we think twice before going forward. eople think about the consequences back in the day they only thought about the benefits it would bring to the people, the city, and the country. now everyone stays idle no movement what so ever, no passion, no heart they see it as a job not as a piece of artwork. when the subway was first created it was a piece of art that everyone admired now its just cement and metal under the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 11, 2011 Share #30 Posted June 11, 2011 He's a friend of mine... He plays as Sir Topham Hatt on this forum... Don't ask me why...:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted June 11, 2011 Share #31 Posted June 11, 2011 I'll be happy if they just get the up to 125th Street. I mean, come on, much of the line above 105th Street was already dug in the 70s. If they can't afford to put those tunnels to good use, the MTA really is the most incompetent transit agency in the Western Hemisphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman1455 Posted June 16, 2011 Share #32 Posted June 16, 2011 I'll be happy if they just get the up to 125th Street. I mean, come on, much of the line above 105th Street was already dug in the 70s. If they can't afford to put those tunnels to good use, the MTA really is the most incompetent transit agency in the Western Hemisphere. That's what they want you to think "Evil laugh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 16, 2011 Share #33 Posted June 16, 2011 Guys, Moses was just following the "in" thing back in those days. Cars were finally booming into the mainstream by the 30s, 40s, and 50s. They were, quite litterally, the way of the future for America. Moses saw this and tried to incorperate this. The Subway was the "old" way of doing things and he believed that Cars would be better and more efficient than Subways or trains, and he was right to some extent. But, because he was so zealous, he took a lot of people down to build his projects. But remember, only one of his cross-Manhattan highways were ever built: the Cross-Manhattan between the GWB and Alexander Hamilton Bridge. This stretch of road is the most traveled piece of road in the entire world. Imagine if there were these types of roads at 125th St, 96th St, 42th St, 34th St, etc. What would Manhattan be like if those were built? There is a lot of truth there. While we now look back and see that it was wrong, there was that level of mentality all over the place back then, and Moses just followed it. It wasn't until Jane Jacobs came along and steerheaded the movement that blocked the LOMEX that Moses lost a lot of his power. We can say it would have been better to have a Moses that understood the needs of transit back then, but even if we had one, I don't know if he would have gotten everything through given the mentality of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted June 16, 2011 Share #34 Posted June 16, 2011 Robert Moses proposed highways going across 125th Street, 33rd Street, and the Lower Manhattan Expressway - with their connections to currently existing river crossings. Remember that Robert Moses did not operate in isolation, there were similar highway planners in other cities in the US, but he was the leading figure. There were other cities that had massive highway and other urban renewal projects going on at the time. Remember also that the automobile, housing, banking, and real estate interests were all behind the movement to build highways and roadways, homes and other features in suburban areas. They were the boosters behind Robert Moses, and the various plans. Remember that the "city" was seen as a BIG BAD PLACE, while life in suburban areas was seen as the much better way of life. The push to the suburbs occurring after WWII aided by the GI Bill, FHA and VA Home loans, and that planning tool called zoning were every much the order of the day. Creating that great sin upon the land called the "Mall" (joking). It was economic silliness NOT TO BUY a home in the suburbs, or to move one's family there. Remember the city was a dangerous place filled with "minorities" and those too ________ to be able to move into better housing, a better job, and a better life - or so it was thought. Robert Moses did however solve several transportation problems - while helping to create some more. Travel from one side of the Bronx to the other was very difficult before the Cross Bronx Expressway, as well as travel to/from New Jersey. Robert Moses was also the builder of much of the public housing in NYC, many of the parks of NYC, and operator of most of the urban renewal projects in the city. Remember that El-trains such as the Second AVenue El, the Third Avenue El, Ninth AVenue and Sixth AVenue - were not always thought of in a nice light - it if one lived next to them or under them. Tenements - Old Law Walkups and other tenement type buildings were pleasant places to live for many residents. Although out lawed in 1901, there are still thousands of such tenements in New York City today. The "magic" of the market having not done away with those buildings. Many of such tenement buildings were the targets of the urban renewal plans and the building of public housing - then seen as much better than the tenement housing they replaced. Many of the super blocks of public housing contained the only parks and playgrounds in neighborhoods where there were originally few parks. Robert Moses was also the Parks Commissioner - the builder of the Central Park Zoo, and the one who acquired for the city massive amounts of land to be used for parks - Riverside Park, Van Cortlandt, Pelham Bay, among many others. He created with the building of the parkways, the placing of highways inside of and alongside parks, and the building of numerous parks and playgrounds through out New York City. Just a few points I wanted to add to this discussion. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted June 16, 2011 Share #35 Posted June 16, 2011 Robert Moses employed lots, and lots of people through his various agencies, built projects, roads and highways. Those activities generated a great deal of economic activity for NYC and the region. The building of roads and highways - made it possible for people to live near NYC and commute about the region. This was in the days when "public works" was thought of as something good. Now to hear Republicans talk about "public works" in any positive way - unless it is something that benefits them or their backers - these days is to believe that pigs can actually fly. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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