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Joel Up Front

R21/22 (and any other IRT stock that was in service from 1979-1988) question

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When the (MTA) switched to the current bullets in 1979, did all the old IRT stock that had the rollsigns keep their originals or get retrofitted with the new signs? I'm thinking of the early R20s in particular because those weren't retired until 1988.

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Some cars got new signs while others kept the old ones. I have a sets of brand new R12/15 and R17/21/22/26/28/29/33/36 signs at home. Some R26 that were on the (2) line in the 80's had those multicolor signs into the 90's when they went to the (5) line and grey 5 bullets started to show up. The new sins really were on a car by car bases no by car class at all. In the 90's some cars went to the dock with original signs, that's how I got my original R12 sign.

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Related to the topic, I remember there was a redbird set on the (4) back in the 90's that had the regular (4) bullet but the destination sign was the old one where the words were in caps, like "UTICA AVENUE" and "WOODLAWN RD". It looked kinda strange to me then but it was interesting to see that on the occasions that I saw it.

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On the 75px-NYCS-bull-trans-7_svg.png, the R33/R36 WFs had the new route (bullet) signs by 1984, although some retained the older front destination rollsigns a while longer. Some R33/R36s might have had older signs as late as 1989 or even 1991.

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