553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #26 Posted June 4, 2011 From what I notice on the 559, the majority of the ridership are in two spots/locales... * b/w Toms River & Lakewood - if what you're sayin is true, then that issue can be solved by adding some 137's that run ONLY b/w Toms River & Lakewood..... (or extend/send 139's, as 553(Bridgeton) states down to Toms River... since he's more familiar w/ what run out of what garages in NJ far more than I do) * b/w Pleasantville/Absecon & Atlantic city - if 553(Bridgeton) is sayin that most 559's are 553's, then there's not much you can do to the 559 route itself... now I see why it runs the full route all day (basically), with no short turns whatsoever.... There aint no where b/w P'ville & Toms River you can end 559's, w/o disrupting those who rely on a particular run, including those seeking Pleasantville, Absecon, & AC on the south end, and Lakewood & Toms River on the northern end of the route.... Either that (anything I colored blue), or just cease the interlining of the 553 w/ the 559..... So that's what it was; the 551 was carved from the 555.... Seeing how the 551 is, it makes sense to have it stop dead at AC, instead of continuing on to ocean city.... Besides, it's easy to "sell" [AC to Philly] nowadays, as opposed to [Ocean city to Philly].... I could imagine all the "Does this go to Atlantic city"... questions, riders of the old 555...... My first time out there (for fanning purposes), I was looking for EVERY route that served AC, to be in that bus terminal... come to find out it's just full service routes, and the greyhounds of the world.... If I'm gettin you correctly, the bus stops along Atlantic av there (the locals) should be spread out, like that of all the bus stops of routes along Hillside av (in Queens).... I would have to agree with you on that one.... Way too many people crowding/loitering/roaming around the south side of the AC bus terminal there... They need to stop those 553s that interlines into 559. The only way 559 service can be better is if you Spilt it with Howell or have it terminate at Toms River and give route 9 north of Toms River to Howell. 80% of Howells buses are on deadmans mode outside of rush hour and weekends. If they split with Howell then those interlines with 553 could stop. Thats where the extra buses would come from. Currently Howell only backs the 559 if a bus breaks down which is sad or if there is a major gap because of a bus being late from a 553 trip. There has been many times where a Howell driver has done the 559 and this is where the confusion came where people thought howell split the 559. Those interlines is what causes a variant for the 553X to not be created. The 553 needs to be a 553 only route by that I mean no interlining. Hell I would go for the idea if even Academy did 559 runs. There is a Academy Garage located on route 9 in Toms River. Yeah all of the locals stop in front of the AC bus Terminal. Its not safe either because alot of scumbags just be chyllen there knowing mainly in the summer that place is full of tourist who walk to the casino/broadwalk. The 501 discharges in front of the Bus Terminal and boards at the gate. And as you said there is no where to short turn a 559. The only way it could happen is ifyou completly overhauled the route and schedule. It runs a daily hour schedule because of that all day everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #27 Posted June 4, 2011 Where are new rtes needed??? If a 553X is created then another route between Mays Landing @ Route 50 and US40 needs to help the 553 Local from Mays Landing to AC. The areas around Mays Landing has a ton of upscale apartments and those peeps jam up the 553. And you also have the shady apartments. Those peeps depend on the 553. Either that or expand the 501 from Brigintine to Mays Landing or have selected trips. The 501 would run via AC Expressway to Hamilton Mall and follow the 553 to Mays Landing at US40 & Route 50. I dont work the locals at all but from hearing the other drivers this is what alot of them suggested. Ill get more info from the Local drivers for ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #28 Posted June 4, 2011 QT, are you some survey person or something? I'm not trying to sound insensitive but you're asking a lot of questions that could be answered by going down there yourself personally or asking some of the NJT Survey team. I'm just saying, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 4, 2011 Share #29 Posted June 4, 2011 QT, are you some survey person or something? I'm not trying to sound insensitive but you're asking a lot of questions that could be answered by going down there yourself personally or asking some of the NJT Survey team. I'm just saying, dude. I've thought that, from the moment he made his presence on this forum..... He doesn't ask questions the way someone w/ a personal interest would... he asks questions, like someone would when they're lookin to obtain information - to forward onto someone else.... and if you note his suggestions, it screams "correct me, because I am so incorrect it isn't even funny"... Shouldn't play people for fools, just be upfront about it, yanno...... I made a point about him tryna siphon information out of us in a backhanded way, as opposed to simply askin folk, in an older post..... They need to stop those 553s that interlines into 559. The only way 559 service can be better is if you Spilt it with Howell or have it terminate at Toms River and give route 9 north of Toms River to Howell. 80% of Howells buses are on deadmans mode outside of rush hour and weekends. If they split with Howell then those interlines with 553 could stop. Thats where the extra buses would come from. Currently Howell only backs the 559 if a bus breaks down which is sad or if there is a major gap because of a bus being late from a 553 trip. There has been many times where a Howell driver has done the 559 and this is where the confusion came where people thought howell split the 559. Those interlines is what causes a variant for the 553X to not be created. The 553 needs to be a 553 only route by that I mean no interlining. Hell I would go for the idea if even Academy did 559 runs. There is a Academy Garage located on route 9 in Toms River. Yeah all of the locals stop in front of the AC bus Terminal. Its not safe either because alot of scumbags just be chyllen there knowing mainly in the summer that place is full of tourist who walk to the casino/broadwalk. The 501 discharges in front of the Bus Terminal and boards at the gate. And as you said there is no where to short turn a 559. The only way it could happen is if you completly overhauled the route and schedule. It runs a daily hour schedule because of that all day everyday. While makin that last post, I actually thought of that Academy garage, and 559's possibly runnin out of it... but I wadn't too sure of what that would mean for the 553 & the interlines & all that.... I'm also tryna get a full (or large enough, to where I feel fit) grasp of NJT's bus system; The routes themselves (and the million & one variants of some of em... lol) I got..... Also, I know of the garages, but don't know where they physically are (except for meadowlands), and what routes run out of all of em.... I realize every bus don't have the garage decals (I only know what wayne's & meadowlands' decals look like), which would make things a lil easier on that note, but anyway... Is that the Howell garage along the 139 route in route 9 (northbound side) ?? last week I was on the 139, and I saw a garage, with a 308 six flags great adventure gettin ready to pull out (lookin as if it was heading to NY for a run) The atlantic av side of the bus terminal, I always found to be shady.... Every single time I've been out to AC, walkin around or w/e, I've entered the terminal from the back end (the same side buses pull in).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #30 Posted June 4, 2011 Yeah the Howell Garage is located on route 9 in Howell. The garage itself you have to really look to see it as its not close to the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #31 Posted June 4, 2011 While makin that last post, I actually thought of that Academy garage, and 559's possibly runnin out of it... but I wadn't too sure of what that would mean for the 553 & the interlines & all that.... I'm also tryna get a full (or large enough, to where I feel fit) grasp of NJT's bus system; The routes themselves (and the million & one variants of some of em... lol) I got..... Also, I know of the garages, but don't know where they physically are (except for meadowlands), and what routes run out of all of em.... I realize every bus don't have the garage decals (I only know what wayne's & meadowlands' decals look like), which would make things a lil easier on that note, but anyway... Is that the Howell garage along the 139 route in route 9 (northbound side) ?? last week I was on the 139, and I saw a garage, with a 308 six flags great adventure gettin ready to pull out (lookin as if it was heading to NY for a run) The atlantic av side of the bus terminal, I always found to be shady.... Every single time I've been out to AC, walkin around or w/e, I've entered the terminal from the back end (the same side buses pull in).... Well, The only garages that I know of that had their respective garage logos on there are Meadowlands, Wayne, Market Street, Big Tree, Fairview, and Orange. Howell has their logo but only on 1 bus: 8202. Dave Mackey had a pic of all the garage logos, but it's in a bad angle. It had the old Paterson - Madison Ave garage logo. I can help you with what routes go with what garages & locations: NJT Owned Garages and Routes: Meadowlands: 2600 Penhorn Avenue, North Bergen 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 89, 121, 122 (with Wayne), 123, 124, 125, 126 (With Greenville and Ironbound), 127, 128 (With Howell), 129, 139 (with Howell on Emergencys only), 166 (With Oradell), 167 (With Oradell), 177 (with Oradell) 181, 188, 190 (With Wayne), 308 (With Ironbound and Howell), 319 (With Egg Harbor), 320, 329, 351 (With Community Coach and assorted Garages: mostly Ironbound and Fairview, sometimes with Wayne, Market Street, and Big Tree), 353 (Same as 351) Wayne: 55 West Belt Parkway, Wayne 75, 122 (with Meadowlands), 151, 161, 190 (with Meadowlands), 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 324 Oradell: 455 New Milford Avenue, Oradell 144, 155, 157, 162, 163, 164 (with Market Street), 165, 166 (with Meadowlands), 167 (with Meadowlands), 168, 177 (with Meadowlands), 186 Market St: 16 Market Street, Paterson 72, 74, 145, 148, 151, 160, 164 (with Oradell), 171, 175, 178, 182, 351 (with Community Coach), 703, 704, 712, 770 Greenville: 53 Old Bergen Road, Jersey City 6, 43, 80, 81, 87, 120, 126 (with Meadowlands and Ironbound) Fairview: 419 Anderson Avenue, Fairview 153, 154, 156, 158, 159, 321, 351 (with Community Coach), 353 Ironbound: 677 Wilson Avenue, Newark 56, 57, 58, 59, 62, 65, 66, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 126 (with Greenville and Meadowlands), 308 (with Howell & Meadowlands), 353 (with Community Coach) Howell: 1251 U.S. 9 North, Howell 63, 64, 67, 68, 128 (with Meadowlands), 130, 131, 132, 133, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139 (with Academy), 307, 308 (with Meadowlands & Ironbound) Hilton: 1450 Springfield Avenue, Maplewood 1, 13 (with Big Tree), 25, 26, 27 (with Orange), 37, 39 (with Big Tree), 42, 52, 70, 90, 107, 108, 361, 375 Big Tree: 1 Washington Avenue, Nutley 13, 30, 39 (with Hilton), 40, 76, 78, 99, 351 (with Community Coach), 353 (with Community Coach), 378 Egg Harbor: 1431 Doughty Road, Egg Harbor 313, 315, 316 (with Washington Township and Newton Avenue), 319 (with Meadowlands), 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 507, 508, 509, 552, 553, 559 Hamilton Township: 600 Sloan Avenue, Hamilton 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 619 Newton Avenue: 350 Newton Avenue, Camden 316 (with Washington Township and Egg Harbor), 317, 318, 404, 405, 407, 409, 413, 417, 418, 419, 450, 451, 452, 453, 455, 457, 460 (with Washington Township) Washington Township: 6000 Black Horse Pike, Turnersville 313, 315, 316 (with Egg Harbor and Newton Avenue), 400, 401, 402, 403, 406, 408, 410, 412, 459, 460 (with Newton Avenue) 463, 551, 554 Contracted Company Garages for NJT Routes: Community Coach: 160 Route 17 North, Paramus 351, 353, 702, 705, 707, 709, 722, 744, 746, 748, 751, 752, 753, 755, 756, 758, 762, 772, 780 Academy Bus Hoboken: 1515 Jefferson St, Hoboken 2, 22, 23, 88 Academy Bus Perth Amboy: 440 Florida Grove Road, Perth Amboy 801, 802, 803, 804, 805, 810, 811, 813, 814, 815, 817, 818, 819, 822 First Student: 177 Route 94, Lafayette 878, 879 Salem County Transit: 350 East Pittsfield Street, Pennsville 468 Suburban Trails: 750 Somerset Street, New Brunswick 986 Trans-Bridge Lines: 2012 Industrial Drive, Bethlehem PA 890, 891 Veolia Transportation: 830 Old Corlies Avenue, Neptune 830, 831, 832, 833, 834, 835, 836, 837 Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #32 Posted June 4, 2011 I've thought that, from the moment he made his presence on this forum..... He doesn't ask questions the way someone w/ a personal interest would... he asks questions, like someone would when they're lookin to obtain information - to forward onto someone else.... and if you note his suggestions, it screams "correct me, because I am so incorrect it isn't even funny"... Shouldn't play people for fools, just be upfront about it, yanno...... I made a point about him tryna siphon information out of us in a backhanded way, as opposed to simply askin folk, in an older post..... Like a undercover NJT employee trying to make someone look bad or to get information to make someone look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #33 Posted June 4, 2011 QT, are you some survey person or something? I'm not trying to sound insensitive but you're asking a lot of questions that could be answered by going down there yourself personally or asking some of the NJT Survey team. I'm just saying, dude. The reason was beacause a planning analyst contacted me for a proposal on streamlining and overhauling the NJT NJ state system. I looked through history to look for creative ways to make new rtes out of modding others into complete lines. So far I had to modify my proposals as in ocean the oceanride lines need to be realigned before combining with NJT lines or academy ones. I looked at several segments of rtes that can be axed or combined. If you were at the NJT meeting in 2010 then u heard me in newark and morristown. I even got weinstein's business card!!!! I had to modify the southern proposal to help out lines like 553 and realign atlantic city runs so all go into the terminal by merging locals into regionals except 553!!! And creating limited stop service in atlantic city via 551 extension. My plan includes the 505/504 being converted into a trunk line with 5 variants that go to wilmington,DE from AC they will still travel the 505 rte but in a streamlined manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #34 Posted June 4, 2011 Like a undercover NJT employee trying to make someone look bad or to get information to make someone look bad. The truth is I am not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #35 Posted June 4, 2011 The reason was beacause a planning analyst contacted me for a proposal on streamlining and overhauling the NJT NJ state system. I looked through history to look for creative ways to make new rtes out of modding others into complete lines. So far I had to modify my proposals as in ocean the oceanride lines need to be realigned before combining with NJT lines or academy ones. I looked at several segments of rtes that can be axed or combined. If you were at the NJT meeting in 2010 then u heard me in newark and morristown. I even got weinstein's business card!!!! I had to modify the southern proposal to help out lines like 553 and realign atlantic city runs so all go into the terminal by merging locals into regionals except 553!!! And creating limited stop service in atlantic city via 551 extension. My plan includes the 505/504 being converted into a trunk line with 5 variants that go to wilmington,DE from AC they will still travel the 505 rte but in a streamlined manner. Then allow me to apologize to you. Honestly, it seemed that you was a spy for NJT, which wouldn't surprise me since there are snitches in NJT that try to get ahead of the game, and 553 knows what I'm talking about. Honestly, all the opinions that we have as drivers and former drivers help, but you got to get a real feel opinion by going on these routes and seeing what's going on, going to each station and seeing the conditions, and talking to the people, the ones that take the bus. I'm saying getting word from mouth is ok but to a extent. As for the meetings, I don't go to them because honestly, NJT drivers have been saying what needs to be done but NJT Corp thinks that we're talking out of our ass just to get more hours and more money. Some might but more aren't. The job is stressful as it is as you're navigating a 13+ bus over rough traffic, bad weather, and dealing with the public: good, bad, sensitive, rough, the able and disabled, the elderly and the youth, and dealing with what's outside. All the suggestions that most the decent thinking drivers give are common sense things that NJT needs to do. I know you read my comments and rants and it's my beliefs. I'm not right or wrong on everything but it's a opinion. That's why I don't go to the meetings because the opinions that the drivers give at times is the same as a piece of paper on the floor: it's garbage to NJT Corp and they dont wanna hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #36 Posted June 4, 2011 Alot of 559 picks require you to do a 553 round trip first. Not many 559s start at the gate. The ones that do start at the gate does 2 559 round trips or 1 559 and 1 553. It is very common for 559s to be up to a 1hr 30mins late. If that 1st 553 trip is 20mins late to upper deerfield and 20mins late to AC then the 559 is already 40mins late leaving AC and bout time you add the stop lights and the pleasantville bus term. its already a hr late before getting to Toms River. The only thing that would save the 559 is adding a 139 variant from Lakewood to Toms River via Route 9 and making the 559s term. Toms River. Those 319 connections are important. Or split the 559 with Howell. why do 507 and 509 use roosevelt blvd to reach ocean city instead of rte 52??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #37 Posted June 4, 2011 The reason was beacause a planning analyst contacted me for a proposal on streamlining and overhauling the NJT NJ state system. I looked through history to look for creative ways to make new rtes out of modding others into complete lines. So far I had to modify my proposals as in ocean the oceanride lines need to be realigned before combining with NJT lines or academy ones. I looked at several segments of rtes that can be axed or combined. If you were at the NJT meeting in 2010 then u heard me in newark and morristown. I even got weinstein's business card!!!! I had to modify the southern proposal to help out lines like 553 and realign atlantic city runs so all go into the terminal by merging locals into regionals except 553!!! And creating limited stop service in atlantic city via 551 extension. My plan includes the 505/504 being converted into a trunk line with 5 variants that go to wilmington,DE from AC they will still travel the 505 rte but in a streamlined manner. If you doing this for free.... ....then you have way too much time on your hands. Im just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #38 Posted June 4, 2011 Then allow me to apologize to you. Honestly, it seemed that you was a spy for NJT, which wouldn't surprise me since there are snitches in NJT that try to get ahead of the game, and 553 knows what I'm talking about.Honestly, all the opinions that we have as drivers and former drivers help, but you got to get a real feel opinion by going on these routes and seeing what's going on, going to each station and seeing the conditions, and talking to the people, the ones that take the bus. I'm saying getting word from mouth is ok but to a extent. As for the meetings, I don't go to them because honestly, NJT drivers have been saying what needs to be done but NJT Corp thinks that we're talking out of our ass just to get more hours and more money. Some might but more aren't. The job is stressful as it is as you're navigating a 13+ bus over rough traffic, bad weather, and dealing with the public: good, bad, sensitive, rough, the able and disabled, the elderly and the youth, and dealing with what's outside. All the suggestions that most the decent thinking drivers give are common sense things that NJT needs to do. I know you read my comments and rants and it's my beliefs. I'm not right or wrong on everything but it's a opinion. That's why I don't go to the meetings because the opinions that the drivers give at times is the same as a piece of paper on the floor: it's garbage to NJT Corp and they dont wanna hear it. So if they wont listen to drivers then maybe consultants and the ppl will be able to get through to em. So what common sense things should NJT do with their rtes????:cool: To think I sounded like an NJT employee is a complement he he:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #39 Posted June 4, 2011 Yeah the Howell Garage is located on route 9 in Howell. The garage itself you have to really look to see it as its not close to the road. Yeah, it's a nice indoor garage. I had my skills test there at the Howell parking lot to actually get my CDL. It's very nice and wide enough. The inside of the garage is kickass, better than Meadowlands. And I've been in Orange, Wayne, Meadowlands, Fairview, and Howell garages before for meetings and meeting people as well as NWK Light Rail (Which is runned by NJT Bus Operations). Howell just kicks ass in everything in the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #40 Posted June 4, 2011 If you doing this for free.... ....then you have way too much time on your hands. Im just saying. Either that or he might be one of the few people that could help NJT and be the voice for the drivers and the people since the people and the drivers speak and NJT says nada (Thanks to to Chris Crispy Creme Cheap-to-get-a-car-but-use-NJ-equipment-like-a-helicopter-to-see-a-baseball-game Christie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #41 Posted June 4, 2011 Well said Sirjoka! Alot of things I post are out of common sense and what would be logical. As for those meetings I dont go to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #42 Posted June 4, 2011 why do 507 and 509 use roosevelt blvd to reach ocean city instead of rte 52??? There's one thing that you gotta remember, brother. NJT doesn't make the routes. The police in each city does. NJT Doesnt make the stops. The police do. The only way a route can be operated on a unauthorized street is if there's a situation (Construction, activity, etc) where the route is blocked and a detour is determined by the driver unless it was pre-made by the police itself. The 507 and 509 probably uses Roosevelt Blvd because it's what the city of Ocean City wants it to do. They dont want buses in operation on that street. Not in service, that's different because that bus won't stop in the middle of traffic or whatnot for a bus stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #43 Posted June 4, 2011 If you doing this for free.... ....then you have way too much time on your hands. Im just saying. ya have a point I will soon start marketing myself and begin with an agreement with NJT in the future I really have plans for CT,MD and NJ the CT one enhances hartford express lines by conbining em with local lines at the end of their rtes via extension. Some lines combine with little modification others extend over the highway to gobble up isolated lines like my NJ plan. The CT and MD one includes organizational restructuring while the other ones dont. There needs to be streamlining of the Network in those 3 states. With NJ requiring the least modification.:cool:. As NJ's real problem is wasteful spending on shuttles!!! CT has too many operators and MD is isolated and disconnected!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #44 Posted June 4, 2011 What I said to get NJT's attention was mention a rte strong enough to extend and devour 10 different bus rtes at once with just 4 variants. That was what led to an NJT guy to ask me for a business card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #45 Posted June 4, 2011 There's one thing that you gotta remember, brother. NJT doesn't make the routes. The police in each city does. NJT Doesnt make the stops. The police do. The only way a route can be operated on a unauthorized street is if there's a situation (Construction, activity, etc) where the route is blocked and a detour is determined by the driver unless it was pre-made by the police itself. The 507 and 509 probably uses Roosevelt Blvd because it's what the city of Ocean City wants it to do. They dont want buses in operation on that street. Not in service, that's different because that bus won't stop in the middle of traffic or whatnot for a bus stop. Damn you beat me to this that post! The buses only can operate where the county and local towns feels the bus should be. Most buses operate on a main highway/road. Detours are made in advance where the bus can go especially since these buses need ample room to make turns. Unexpected detours were told to find our own way. When the ac expressway is backed up they us in advance to take the Black horse pike in. Alot of back tracking is because of how the town wants it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2011 Author Share #46 Posted June 4, 2011 Damn you beat me to this that post! The buses only can operate where the county and local towns feels the bus should be. Most buses operate on a main highway/road. Detours are made in advance where the bus can go especially since these buses need ample room to make turns. Unexpected detours were told to find our own way. When the ac expressway is backed up they us in advance to take the Black horse pike in. Alot of back tracking is because of how the town wants it. My proposal is a double edged sword that punishes towns that force buses to backtrack!!!! The thing with backtracking is it costs money I say if NJT cant take a short cut to ocean city then they should pull out and not even bother serving em in the first place. Cause they are crippling NJT over BS is that why 315 used the rte it does in the islands??? instead of staying on ocean drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted June 4, 2011 Share #47 Posted June 4, 2011 My proposal is a double edged sword that punishes towns that force buses to backtrack!!!! The thing with backtracking is it costs money I say if NJT cant take a short cut to ocean city then they should pull out and not even bother serving em in the first place. Cause they are crippling NJT over BS is that why 315 used the rte it does in the islands??? instead of staying on ocean drive. Pretty much. There's certain areas that the public don't want the buses at. For example, back in the north, during the day, the public didn't like to hear buses on Hackensack Plank Road in Weehawken. So, the police banned all buses going through there at all times. Even deadheads. That area had so many complaints, that even the Port Authority police dept. got involved and made sure no one detoured there unless it was a emergency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #48 Posted June 4, 2011 My proposal is a double edged sword that punishes towns that force buses to backtrack!!!! The thing with backtracking is it costs money I say if NJT cant take a short cut to ocean city then they should pull out and not even bother serving em in the first place. Cause they are crippling NJT over BS is that why 315 used the rte it does in the islands??? instead of staying on ocean drive. Alot of those towns dont want to hear the Jake Brakes. The buses goes via Ocean Drive but it would make sense to stay on Ocean Drive. Truth is those towns dont want buses blocking up the roads. Its one of the reasons outside of the summer bus service is low through there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 4, 2011 Share #49 Posted June 4, 2011 I ran out of thanks, but big up's to SJT & 553 for all the info in this thread thus far ! If I'm gettin both of you correctly, seems like NJT drivers care more about the (how can I say), nooks & crannies... the small details... of the routes with which they drive.... here in NYC, most drivers could give a damn (which is why I give Spring Creek depot; case you're unfamiliar, they're the ones that operate the BM express buses, along w/ the B103.... all the props in the world)..... and to think that the cops have that much power to tell an organization where buses will travel along, is nothin short of disgusting.... I do find that most NJT's travel down main roads and/or commercial(ized) hwy's.... I mean, yeh, bus routes are generally situated on commercial roads in any public transportation system (obvious reasons), but you'd be far more prone to seeing an LIB, an SCT, or Beeline (which I especially applaud them for) on residential type roads.... Alot of those towns dont want to hear the Jake Brakes. Do any twp's down in S. Jersey have those "no jake brake" traffic signs still up? You tend to see those in rural areas down south.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted June 4, 2011 Share #50 Posted June 4, 2011 I have to give Spring Creek all the props. They do a good job imo. The police/towns has alot to say on where the buses go. When you ride njt and see a route making all those damn turns its not because of njt...its the damn police and town. NJT can suggest a route but the town and police have to like it for it to go down. When you took a ride on the 403 you did notice how it back tracked once it left Lindenwold. There is another road once the 403 gets to Voorhees Towne Ctr that would easily lead it back to route 30. If one misses a camden bound bus one can easily run to route 30 and get the same bus that left Lindenwold train station. *Edit* Yes they still have signs with "no jake brakes* however most of them are not on the main roads where service runs. When I do the 313 I dont use the jakes untill I get to vineland because alot of the towns from wildwood are quiet zones. However when I deadhead and see the signs I still use it because its a safety feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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