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Remember the Pilot Program on the (4) In the Bronx..done last Year???...Does anyone Know if and When the MTA Will institute the New service??? It wud be Nice since its the only Bronx Line without some sort of Peak direction Express..Thanx..:cool:

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Thats not true every weekday in the AM and after AM and PM rush every 2 or 3 (4)'s run express from 167th to Burnside and terminate skipping 170,Mt Eden and 176th M track.

 

PM RUSH:Then few (4)'s terminate at Bedford Park some run express from 149th to Burnside and its all local to Bedford Pk then the yard and some run straight local to Bedford and terminate.I dont think its on the schedule though.

 

But there is NO AM Bronx Exp S/B just N/B.

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Ive seen That before Trainmaster...And I didnt Know about the Bedford Park Part tho..Just Burnside with that being said Tho...I meant why wont they or when will they Make it a Permanent In Both Directions...I Actually Think The (4) Should Implement all day Express Service In The same way as The 6 Does Today...The 4 IS ALWAYS CROWDED as far up as Fordham Rd And Rush Hours needs no explaining...

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Miss Typed..Sorry

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Remember the Pilot Program on the (4) In the Bronx..done last Year???...Does anyone Know if and When the MTA Will institute the New service??? It wud be Nice since its the only Bronx Line without some sort of Peak direction Express..Thanx..:cool:

 

Was it really last year? Seems like a very long time ago.

 

PM RUSH:Then few (4)'s terminate at Bedford Park some run express from 149th to Burnside and its all local to Bedford Pk then the yard and some run straight local to Bedford and terminate.I dont think its on the schedule though.

 

They are in the TT.

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Thanks yea I know Burnside is on the TT but not sure about the few that terminate at Bedford Pk Blvd the 1st one terminates there around 6:20-630pm.

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Most (4) trains end at Burnside M track and deadhead str8 to the Yard.

 

Its just like some (5)s run Express on the WPR Northern and ends at GH and deadhead to 239th. I was gonna add this at Wiki, but a mr Wiki Foamer denied it lolz.

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Just me playing devil's advocate here, but I agree with "Mr. Wiki Foamer" over there. The (5) has a crazy enough routing with the trains coming from/going to Nereid Av and terminating at Flatbush Av sometimes and Bowling Green at others. There's no need to add more confusion by stating that some trains go out of service northbound at E 180 St, especially when it's not listed in the schedule, unlike the <4>'s express service in the mid mornings and afternoon hours. Plus, Wikipedia is a global encylopedia, not a railfan's guide to the subway.

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Was it really last year? Seems like a very long time ago.

 

 

 

It was in 2009. I remember taking one of those southbound (4) express trains to the Yankee parade at Bowling Green. I might be wrong though.

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Personally:

 

I would bring back the <4> on at least Saturdays as "Racino Express" trains (connecting with the 20 bus at Woodlawn) for those looking to get to the casino at Yonkers Raceway, going to Woodlawn from say 10:00 AM-7:00 PM (just before first race post time for Saturday night cards at Yonkers) and in reverse from 7:30 PM-end of express service in Manhattan.

 

I suspect having trains that only stop after 149th at Burnside Avenue and then Woodlawn would be attractive for people in Manhattan who might head to the casino at Yonkers.

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Personally:

 

I would bring back the <4> on at least Saturdays as "Racino Express" trains (connecting with the 20 bus at Woodlawn) for those looking to get to the casino at Yonkers Raceway, going to Woodlawn from say 10:00 AM-7:00 PM (just before first race post time for Saturday night cards at Yonkers) and in reverse from 7:30 PM-end of express service in Manhattan.

 

I suspect having trains that only stop after 149th at Burnside Avenue and then Woodlawn would be attractive for people in Manhattan who might head to the casino at Yonkers.

 

Cant do it during yankee games (baseball specials stored on M track starting at 167), and the middle track (which im assuming u want to utilize) is used to store trains/yard moves sometimes between Bedford Park and Woodlawn. The <4> does not and will not help with the crowding at all, all of the stations between 149 and Woodlawn have good ridership at them. 161 and Fordham are among the more packed variety and they are both "local stops". As said earlier when 4 trains return to the yard, they need the middle track at Bedford Park to do so (along with the spur just north of the station).

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The <4> pilot program operated twice maybe three times for 4 week periods I believe. I only got to take it twice. Although some say it only saved you 3-4 minutes compared to the local it didn't seem that way to me more like 10+ minutes saved.

 

As for the evening peak (4) service, its annoying. Especially when you get on a Woodlawn train and it turns into a Burnside train because its late. I think these "express" trains should operate to Bedford Park Rather than Burnside. Trains terminate at Bedford Pk sometimes then go to the yard why not all the Burnside trains. To leave so many people waiting for another train is ridiculous.

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PM RUSH:Then few (4)'s terminate at Bedford Park some run express from 149th to Burnside and its all local to Bedford Pk then the yard and some run straight local to Bedford and terminate.I dont think its on the schedule though.

 

But there is NO AM Bronx Exp S/B just N/B.

 

I think I remember riding on one, but the train was going to Woodlawn. It skipped the stations on the local track, if that's right.

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I think I remember riding on one, but the train was going to Woodlawn. It skipped the stations on the local track, if that's right.

 

Even though the train is scheduled to be a layup, every now and again Woodlawn really needs the train when the road is bad, and instead of taking a regular Woodlawn bound train and making it skip stops, its easier to just take that train (which already in ATS will get an express lineup at 167 automatically) and make it continue up to Woodlawn (typically after Burnside they would tell it to do Fordham/Bedford/Moshulu - one of the three - then Woodlawn. Fordham/Moshulu are heavy ridership stations and Bedford is a gap station). Those crews generally finish at Woodlawn anyway. On occasion the T/O may get another train to layup once the road works itself out.

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As for the evening peak (4) service, its annoying. Especially when you get on a Woodlawn train and it turns into a Burnside train because its late. I think these "express" trains should operate to Bedford Park Rather than Burnside. Trains terminate at Bedford Pk sometimes then go to the yard why not all the Burnside trains. To leave so many people waiting for another train is ridiculous.

It's not annoying its just most of the sets don't have a program for Burnside some do.When I get on 1st thing I look at the Strip Map or the interior display b\c when its a Burnside Av bound (4) train the interior will be correct highlighting no further stops after Burnside also the display will say Burnside Av The Next Stop is etc....

 

And no its not late if it was it would run express on the local.

 

The reason why they terminate at Burnside is b\c once the crew is done discharging the train they can take it right to the yard w/o disrupting service b\c the (4)'s headways are good it will cause a backup so when that Burnside Av bound (4) train gets to Burnside the next Woodlawn train should be 2-4min away then a Burnside bound train about 5-7min. Then theres about a 6 or 7 min gap b\c there are 3 trains in a period of 7-10 minutes(Burnside-Woodlawn-Burnside) then that gap then its 3 trains in that 7-10 min again.

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Just me playing devil's advocate here, but I agree with "Mr. Wiki Foamer" over there. The (5) has a crazy enough routing with the trains coming from/going to Nereid Av and terminating at Flatbush Av sometimes and Bowling Green at others. There's no need to add more confusion by stating that some trains go out of service northbound at E 180 St, especially when it's not listed in the schedule, unlike the <4>'s express service in the mid mornings and afternoon hours. Plus, Wikipedia is a global encylopedia, not a railfan's guide to the subway.

 

Yeah its a bit crazy but the (MTA) should at least place these routing around, especially the <5> going exp to GH and ending.. I mean they do it to the (4) for Mott Ave Upper to Burnside.

 

(5) does the following:

 

Dyre <> 180th (S)

Dyre <> Bowling Green (5)

Dyre <> Flatbush Avenue (5)

Dyre <> Utica Ave (5)

Dyre <> New Lots Ave (5) (Rarely)

180th Street <> Bowling Green/Flatbush/New Lots/ Utica Ave (5)

238th <> Flatbush Ave <5>

238th <> Utica and/or New Lots Aves <5> Rarely

Utica/New Lots/Flatbush Aves to Gun Hill Road via Exp, END and layup to 239th direct

 

I have heard that 1 (5) does a super express in the Bronx and ends at 241st and deadheads to the yard.. Confirmed by friend of mine.. While some (5)s reroute via IRT Bway/7th Ave during RH to prevent Lex ave backups. Confirmed as well, but time various.

 

 

Im not sure if the RTO is not following the MTAs way of routing the (5) for the Downtown to 238th Street, seeing that lots of (5)s that are suppose to head to 238th are going exp and ending at GH.. TBH I rarely see a 238th Bound <5> since a lot of them are going exp..

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161 and Fordham are among the more packed variety and they are both "local stops".

 

Indeed. Plus Fordham also has a good MNRR-connection, so it doesn't really need extra service.

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first of all, the (1) doesnt have any express service. second, why isnt there any two way express service in the bronx at all? when I travel to the bronx there are much more people traveling in both directions than brooklyn has.

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Tracks were not built that way. ROW segments are narrower as well, just like on the west end and flushing trunks. The way the Bronx is laid out the neighborhoods are flanked by subways, they dont run right thru them like some Brooklyn neighborhoods. Also the density is dwarfed only by Manhattan, the idea of a "house with a lil bit of land" is foreign to many Bronxcites (there are houses but they are pretty much built on top of each other).

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