lilbluefoxie Posted June 12, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 12, 2011 I present to you a very radical idea for the Subway, its called leaving things the way they are. The current routes have basically been the same for decades, they handle traffic just fine. We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Other than that I think that the current routes should stay the way they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melvin Posted June 12, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 12, 2011 I present to you a very radical idea for the Subway, its called leaving things the way they are. The current routes have basically been the same for decades, they handle traffic just fine. We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Other than that I think that the current routes should stay the way they are. Not all of them do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted June 12, 2011 Share #3 Posted June 12, 2011 I present to you a very radical idea for the Subway, its called leaving things the way they are. The current routes have basically been the same for decades, they handle traffic just fine. We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Other than that I think that the current routes should stay the way they are. For the most part I agree on the subway part except for some service expansions when the fiscal crisis ends. If anything that needs to be changed more are the bus lines particuarly in the outerboros and light rail on a couple of select coordiors to provide 'rapid transit' in the population boom of the outerboros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted June 12, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 12, 2011 . We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Nope. I expect the SAS will be completed by 2030-2045, if at all, if the (MTA)'s economic woes continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted June 12, 2011 Share #5 Posted June 12, 2011 Nope. I expect the SAS will be completed by 2030-2045, if at all, if the (MTA)'s economic woes continue. If the Gowanus expressway's mess is finished before the SAS, I'd be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 12, 2011 Share #6 Posted June 12, 2011 I present to you a very radical idea for the Subway, its called leaving things the way they are. The current routes have basically been the same for decades, they handle traffic just fine. We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Other than that I think that the current routes should stay the way they are. I agree, but under one condition: restore the subway back to what it was pre-June 2010. :cool: Aside from that, your post holds water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted June 12, 2011 I agree, but under one condition: restore the subway back to what it was pre-June 2010. :cool:Aside from that, your post holds water. the thing is the orange is more popular than the old brown M and the among riders not necisarily railfans, so i dunno. They could do a from Astoria to Bay Parkway via Broadway and 4th Avenue Locals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted June 12, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 12, 2011 I think that the subway lines that exist could be expanded a bit. We need more lines to help out lines that exist now. Other than that the subway is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted June 12, 2011 Share #9 Posted June 12, 2011 They could do a from Astoria to Bay Parkway via Broadway and 4th Avenue Locals. foamers, unite! :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #10 Posted June 12, 2011 Well we are being truthful here. Broadway and Fourth Avenue lost subway service with the loss of the , and the (Mx). A new from Astoria Ditmars Boulevard to Bay Parkway, or somewhere else in South Brooklyn would fill in the gap that was pulled out in 6/2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted June 12, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 12, 2011 I present to you a very radical idea for the Subway, its called leaving things the way they are. The current routes have basically been the same for decades, they handle traffic just fine. We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Other than that I think that the current routes should stay the way they are. You're right, that is radical :eek:...let's do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted June 12, 2011 Share #12 Posted June 12, 2011 Im surprised that to Culver via express hasn't found its way into this thread yet lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Train Master Posted June 12, 2011 Share #13 Posted June 12, 2011 They could do a from Astoria to Bay Parkway via Broadway and 4th Avenue Locals. Thats interesting:tup: and non-rush hrs it can run from Astoria to Whitehall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted June 12, 2011 Share #14 Posted June 12, 2011 I present to you a very radical idea for the Subway, its called leaving things the way they are. The current routes have basically been the same for decades, they handle traffic just fine. We are getting a new second avenue line in another 5-6 years to help with things on the east side. Other than that I think that the current routes should stay the way they are. There is truth to some of what you are saying, but you must understand that NOT ALL lines handle traffic "just fine." The is packed to the brim, and there doesn't seem to be a nonradical solution to this problem. The should stay because more people like it. After all, it would make no sense to revert back to the old brown M configuration with the success that the has reported from it. The railfan population may consider this blasphemy, but average commuter > railfan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted June 12, 2011 Share #15 Posted June 12, 2011 If anything were to once again push through the Nassau / Montague St Tunnels to South Brooklyn, it would most likely be an extended Train. However, They would probably start it at Broadway Junction, rather then Jamaica Center. Jamaica Center to Bay Parkway would be one heck of a trip. On the same token, can Skip-Stop be saved with Trains going beyond Broad St to 9 Av, Bay Parkway, Kings Highway (Sea Beach) or 95 St? Since the is doing well, they most likely won't change the new routing as well as change the letter again. But an extended or a reinstated like you guys said (Astoria to Bay Parkway) would help as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted June 12, 2011 Share #16 Posted June 12, 2011 The subway is fine as it is, but I sometimes do miss the going express in Manhattan on weekdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share #17 Posted June 12, 2011 There is truth to some of what you are saying, but you must understand that NOT ALL lines handle traffic "just fine." The is packed to the brim, and there doesn't seem to be a nonradical solution to this problem. The should stay because more people like it. After all, it would make no sense to revert back to the old brown M configuration with the success that the has reported from it. The railfan population may consider this blasphemy, but average commuter > railfan. What I mean is theres no big demand for any new routings such as using the now unused express tracks on some of the brooklyn and bronx lines or routing routes to places they dont normally go or ever went. The current routes, while they do have some flaws and capacity issues, as a whole it all works well id say for most of the system. Some solutions may not even require the subway, for one thing the upscale corridor the serves lacks an express bus route, perhaps if they offered one as an alternative to the and sent it over the Williamsburg Bridge to midtown somewhere, there might be enough people to spring for the extra cost just so they aren't crammed into the . If anything, thats more probably than the MTA trying to dig up the entire to add more tracks or trying to dig a tunnel or build another EL in the upscale corridor. (I call the segment from 8th Ave to Halsey St the upscale part as it goes thru much better areas than the part past Halsey) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceya Posted June 12, 2011 Share #18 Posted June 12, 2011 Im surprised that to Culver via express hasn't found its way into this thread yet lol It did, see above^^. S/F, CEYA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted June 12, 2011 Share #19 Posted June 12, 2011 Well we are being truthful here. Broadway and Fourth Avenue lost subway service with the loss of the , and the (Mx). A new from Astoria Ditmars Boulevard to Bay Parkway, or somewhere else in South Brooklyn would fill in the gap that was pulled out in 6/2010. One aspect of the above idea is that the W-train traveling along the R-line to/from Manhattan does not actually replace the old brown M-train to Nassau Street. The W-line has it existed from Astoria to Whitehall Street as a local was good enough, allowing the N-train to be express. I just happen to like the N-train as an express for as much of its routing as possible, until reaches Queens. If I could, I'd like to revive the Chambers Street street station with a new rush hours only line that starts at Chambers Street - travels to Brooklyn via the Montague Street tunnel, and is local along 4th Avenue to 36th Street, and then local to Bay Parkway along with the D-train. It is a kind of borrowing of the old Brown R-train and M-train -- but with a new letter - a brown K-train. Such a scheme would give everyone a little bit of something while being workable. The J/Z routes would remain un-changed. Folks along the Brooklyn 4th Avenue and West End segments regain their extra rush hours local service. The folks who use the current M-train get to keep it. Since this line would be "short" in terns of running time, etc. it would not demand a lot of trains or man-power. Just an idea. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 12, 2011 Share #20 Posted June 12, 2011 I don't wanna leave the stations along the Sea Beach line the way they are.... I don't wanna leave the unfinished stations of the reconstruction project along the Brighton line the way they are... I don't wanna leave the stations along the Concourse line (sans 161st st) the way they are.... But I do agree that these radical suggestions for service changes that some continually suggest, is over the top.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted June 12, 2011 Share #21 Posted June 12, 2011 Well we are being truthful here. Broadway and Fourth Avenue lost subway service with the loss of the , and the (Mx). A new from Astoria Ditmars Boulevard to Bay Parkway, or somewhere else in South Brooklyn would fill in the gap that was pulled out in 6/2010. If you built a Nassau Street connection to the SAS, the could then run to Bay Parkway and take over that role in a much-improved way, also helping ease crowding on the (4)/(5) between Atlantic-Pacific and 125th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of RedBirds Posted June 12, 2011 Share #22 Posted June 12, 2011 If anything were to once again push through the Nassau / Montague St Tunnels to South Brooklyn, it would most likely be an extended Train. However, They would probably start it at Broadway Junction, rather then Jamaica Center. Jamaica Center to Bay Parkway would be one heck of a trip. On the same token, can Skip-Stop be saved with Trains going beyond Broad St to 9 Av, Bay Parkway, Kings Highway (Sea Beach) or 95 St? Since the is doing well, they most likely won't change the new routing as well as change the letter again. But an extended or a reinstated like you guys said (Astoria to Bay Parkway) would help as well. Thats good but how about both The and go there Rush Hours the J runs LCL with the to 36th And the Z runs Express Peak Direction only. J trains run to Coney Island or Bay Pkwy, and the Z to 9 av or bay Pkwy as you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of RedBirds Posted June 12, 2011 Share #23 Posted June 12, 2011 Heres the change backs I would make even though they are Impossible. The Exp Late nights. The ( Runs All Night. runs all night. back to forest hills. Exp in Manhattan and run Exp 24/7. Return. run all times. Go thru the tunnel that the Malbone St wreck happened in and run at a Extremly short speed sheesh. Exist already LOL. Return. Return. Exp late nights. run to new lots LCL or Exp whatever Idc. Run Exp late nights. Run to Bowling green late nights. Return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted June 12, 2011 Share #24 Posted June 12, 2011 That would jam the Montague Street Tunnel, and kill Skip Stop service on the Jamaica Line. Not to mention it would jam the Fourth Avenue Tunnels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted June 12, 2011 Share #25 Posted June 12, 2011 One aspect of the above idea is that the W-train traveling along the R-line to/from Manhattan does not actually replace the old brown M-train to Nassau Street. The W-line has it existed from Astoria to Whitehall Street as a local was good enough, allowing the N-train to be express. I just happen to like the N-train as an express for as much of its routing as possible, until reaches Queens. If I could, I'd like to revive the Chambers Street street station with a new rush hours only line that starts at Chambers Street - travels to Brooklyn via the Montague Street tunnel, and is local along 4th Avenue to 36th Street, and then local to Bay Parkway along with the D-train. It is a kind of borrowing of the old Brown R-train and M-train -- but with a new letter - a brown K-train. Such a scheme would give everyone a little bit of something while being workable. The J/Z routes would remain un-changed. Folks along the Brooklyn 4th Avenue and West End segments regain their extra rush hours local service. The folks who use the current M-train get to keep it. Since this line would be "short" in terns of running time, etc. it would not demand a lot of trains or man-power. Just an idea. Mike This most likely the past plan to reinstate some sort of Nassau St/ South Brooklyn Service. I love seeing that Diamond Brown <R> on the old map running between Chambers & 95 St, rush hours. The Brown K could indeed work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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