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Should the "A Rockaway Pk.-Manhattan 'express' run for couple trips on summer weekends?

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I had railfanned a few weeks ago on a Saturday Afternoon around 3pm the (A) train in June to go to Rockaway Park. Of course I took the Far Rock-bound (A)and almost all of the seats was filled.

 

Then when the (A) got to Broad Channel, a huge crowd got off. When the Rockaway Park (S) arrived it was SRO all the way to Beach 116th. It was so bad a few riders at Broad Channel had to wait for the next (S) train.

 

 

So guys a question? With Rockaway Park area now all of sudden becoming a 'cool' place to go especially with the Hipsters, should the (MTA) consider running a couple of 'special trains' direct between Manhattan and Beach 116th on summer weekends only? I am not suggesting all day weekends but maybe similar to the existing rush hour service a few trips. Of Course, the Rock Park (S) would still run 24/7 in addition to this.

 

This weekend (A) Rockaway Park service could similar to the Belmont Park LIRR service from Penn Station during racing season.

 

An example of a proposed schedule summer schedule for direct Manhattan service.

Rockaway Park bound leaving 207th-8am, 9am, 12 Noon and 3pm.

 

207th St bound 3pm, 5pm, 7pm, 8pm.

 

 

With the (MTA) slowly restoring a few cuts to it's subway/bus service, is this an option for 'new' service? What you guys think?

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Isn't an 8 car R46 enough for the (S)?

 

Even on an 8-car SRO Rock Park (S) there was a few standees in every car IRT on that trip. That why i asked this idea/suggestion. It would not run *all day on summer saturdays/sundays.* Just at least couple of trips to help out the Far Rock (A).

 

And no this won't be the JFK Express. It would make the same (A) 'express' stops between Broad Channel and 207th.

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Should they start from 207th or 59th? IIRC, the PM rush trips start deadhead to 59th before starting their run.

 

It would be a good idea to run some through trains, but it may confuse passengers even more if they don't run on a frequency. Most customers aren't aware that the subway has printed schedules or even runs on one publicly.

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Should they start from 207th or 59th? IIRC, the PM rush trips start deadhead to 59th before starting their run.

 

It would be a good idea to run some through trains, but it may confuse passengers even more if they don't run on a frequency. Most customers aren't aware that the subway has printed schedules or even runs on one publicly.

 

true many look over the tracks thinking it will come. I think the C should return to rockaway park will that work??

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Well that depends. If you send the (C) to Rockaway Beach Park-116 Street you could replace the Rockaway Park (S) that goes there.

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Well that depends. If you send the (C) to Rockaway Beach Park-116 Street you could replace the Rockaway Park (S) that goes there.

 

The (C) would never go down there again.... those R32's will break down so fast it's not even funny

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What about a version of the Rockaway Round-Robin where the (A) trains go from the Fulton Line as normal to Rockaway Park, then to Far Rockaway via Hammels Wye, then back up the Fulton Line?

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How about when the new R179's come in? Seems possible then.

 

Hate to repeat it but here goes. Roadcrusier the (C) used to run to Rockaway Park rush hours until 1992. That when the current (A) Rockaway Park 'peak direction' express replaced it. The Fulton Local riders had gotten angry with the frequent delays the (C) had then since at that time it ran between Bedford Park via Concourse Local and Rock Park. Thus it won't work.

 

If anything (not saying I endorse it)would be to extend the (C) to Lefferts only.

So far the best suggestion I heard would be to increase (which should be done anyhow)Far Rockaway (A) and Rock Park (S) service during summer weekends.

Or my idea of running *only 2-3 trips per day peak direction* a special (A) Rockaway Park-207th Street only during the summer.

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Length-wise (and during the nocturnal hours), it's a very long line. In terms of express service, eh...

 

Lefferts Blvd - 30 stops

Far Rockaway - 36 stops

Rockaway Park - 34 stops

 

Not counting Aqueduct Racetrack since it's open at a certain time. Not to mention that the (C) has 40 stops from Washington Heights to Euclid Avenue.

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Given by next summer the Casino at Aqueduct will have fully opened, here's what I'd be looking at for at least the summer of 2012 on weekends and holidays (and also PM rush hours on Fridays):

 

(C) replaces the (A) to/from Lefferts Blvd, possibly with extended hours.

 

ALL (A) trains run on the Rockaway branch, alternating between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park, eliminating the (S) to/from Broad Channel.

 

Lefferts riders would be upset, but they would have to realize with the casino opening and the sudden jump in popularity of the Rockaway Park area, it likely would be necessary to have ALL (A)'s run to the Rockaways on weekends, holidays and Friday PM rush hours.

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The (C) to Lefferts Park has been proposed many times, and it has been shot down by the community many times. The residents don't want local service, and the R179's are supposed to replace the R32's and the R42's.

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Not a bad idea. Personally I don't think Rockaway Park needs 'all day' service on weekends. Instead to serve the new 'casino at Aqueduct' I have alternative (A) terminate at Howard Beach/JFK. Another growing segment on the Rockaway branch that *overlooked* is those going to/from JFK Airport via the AIRTRAIN.

 

Plus even during late evenings/overnights the Rock Park (S) is still fine. If anything I still believe that only a couple of trips (unless someone else has a better idea)of the (A) extended to Rockaway Park during the rush hours like currently and also during the summer weekends only is enough.

 

 

Given by next summer the Casino at Aqueduct will have fully opened, here's what I'd be looking at for at least the summer of 2012 on weekends and holidays (and also PM rush hours on Fridays):

 

(C) replaces the (A) to/from Lefferts Blvd, possibly with extended hours.

 

ALL (A) trains run on the Rockaway branch, alternating between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park, eliminating the (S) to/from Broad Channel.

 

Lefferts riders would be upset, but they would have to realize with the casino opening and the sudden jump in popularity of the Rockaway Park area, it likely would be necessary to have ALL (A)'s run to the Rockaways on weekends, holidays and Friday PM rush hours.

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The (C) to Lefferts Park has been proposed many times, and it has been shot down by the community many times. The residents don't want local service, and the R179's are supposed to replace the R32's and the R42's.

 

I understand that, but this is a different situation.

 

You have a casino opening at Aqueduct early this fall that when completely opened either at the end of this year or early next will be the largest on the east coast, and one of the few accessible by subway. Having a split (A) train is not going to cut it for casino patrons, so unless you're willing to revive having the (C) go to Rockaway Park during Friday PM rush hours and also have the (C) go there on weekends and holidays (AND have the (C) run 24/7), something is going to have to give. Given the situation with the Rockaway Park area (that is only likely to improve for 2012) in addition to what will be happening at Aqueduct by next summer, to me, the best solution is to have the (C) replace the (A) to Lefferts (perhaps with during Friday PM rush hours some peak-hour (A)'s to Lefferts to placate those) during PM rush hours on Fridays as well as all day on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

As a compromise, perhaps this could be done with the (C) made a 24/2 line to Lefferts from Friday PM rush hour to the normal end of service on Sunday night, perhaps extended a little beyond that, meaning no overnight (S) from Lefferts to Euclid on Friday and Saturday nights since the (C) would be running at that time, with the (A) running as an express in Brooklyn and Manhattan during the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning since the (C) would also be running at that time. That to me can placate Lefferts riders since this would be a Friday PM rush-Sunday situation there during the summer next year.

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I always have had this feeling they should make the Aqueduct Racetrack station a permanent station with entrances/exits for the nearby communities to use the station as well.

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If that the case you might as well have the (C) run 24/7 to/from Lefferts not just weekends.:confused:

 

I understand that, but this is a different situation.

 

You have a casino opening at Aqueduct early this fall that when completely opened either at the end of this year or early next will be the largest on the east coast, and one of the few accessible by subway. Having a split (A) train is not going to cut it for casino patrons, so unless you're willing to revive having the (C) go to Rockaway Park during Friday PM rush hours and also have the (C) go there on weekends and holidays (AND have the (C) run 24/7), something is going to have to give. Given the situation with the Rockaway Park area (that is only likely to improve for 2012) in addition to what will be happening at Aqueduct by next summer, to me, the best solution is to have the (C) replace the (A) to Lefferts (perhaps with during Friday PM rush hours some peak-hour (A)'s to Lefferts to placate those) during PM rush hours on Fridays as well as all day on Saturdays and Sundays.

 

As a compromise, perhaps this could be done with the (C) made a 24/2 line to Lefferts from Friday PM rush hour to the normal end of service on Sunday night, perhaps extended a little beyond that, meaning no overnight (S) from Lefferts to Euclid on Friday and Saturday nights since the (C) would be running at that time, with the (A) running as an express in Brooklyn and Manhattan during the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning since the (C) would also be running at that time. That to me can placate Lefferts riders since this would be a Friday PM rush-Sunday situation there during the summer next year.

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Given by next summer the Casino at Aqueduct will have fully opened, here's what I'd be looking at for at least the summer of 2012 on weekends and holidays (and also PM rush hours on Fridays):

 

(C) replaces the (A) to/from Lefferts Blvd, possibly with extended hours.

 

ALL (A) trains run on the Rockaway branch, alternating between Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park, eliminating the (S) to/from Broad Channel.

 

Lefferts riders would be upset, but they would have to realize with the casino opening and the sudden jump in popularity of the Rockaway Park area, it likely would be necessary to have ALL (A)'s run to the Rockaways on weekends, holidays and Friday PM rush hours.

 

The (C) is not going to Lefferts...at all. Ozone Park is a high NIMBY area. Its not as bad as other places *cough Springfield Gardens* but its still up there. Those people will fight tooth & nail to keep their 1 seat express ride to the city.

 

As for the original question, there's no need for it. Every PM rush, there's only 3-5 trains that go to Rockaway Pk. As for the (S), its 8 cars on summer weekends just for the beach people (since that's when you have the most ridership at those near-abandoned stations)

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The (C) is not going to Lefferts...at all. Ozone Park is a high NIMBY area. Its not as bad as other places *cough Springfield Gardens* but its still up there. Those people will fight tooth & nail to keep their 1 seat express ride to the city.

 

As for the original question, there's no need for it. Every PM rush, there's only 3-5 trains that go to Rockaway Pk. As for the (S), its 8 cars on summer weekends just for the beach people (since that's when you have the most ridership at those near-abandoned stations)

 

Correction, the Lefferts Blvd area on the (C) is technically part of Richmond Hill. The last time this was officially proposed, it was the late 1990s, when these areas were mostly Italian and Republican voters. Nowadays, it's mostly South Asian and Guyanese. Unlike their predecessors, these guys prefer more frequent service. They are turned off by the split (A) that most prefer to take the Q10 to Union Turnpike for the (E)(F) lines due to the frequency.

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The (C) to Lefferts Park has been proposed many times, and it has been shot down by the community many times. The residents don't want local service, and the R179's are supposed to replace the R32's and the R42's.

 

on top of that the (C) is LESS frequent than the (A)

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