Grand Concourse Posted July 14, 2011 Share #76 Posted July 14, 2011 Who actually *lives* on Broadway/Jamaica Ave? Ain't it mostly commercial? It is commercial, but when you walk away from that street, the surrounding area is heavily residential. The idea is to have an express option to speed thru Jamaica Av rather than everyone backtracking to Sutphin to transfer to the to get to Lower Manhattan. [before it becomes another fantasy thread: I would include a 1 track el being built b/w Cypress and Alabama so the express would bypass the slow Crescent St curve.] A hypothetical but interesting problem: Say the Liberty Ave line is extended further into Ozone Park. Should the still split then? If it were 10 stations instead of 3, would it be a non-issue? No, riders will still want express service. The as is, is really 2 lines in 1. Just like the in the bronx. Just redesignate one branch as another letter or as I said, reduce service to fit the additional express service. Worse comes worse [and depending how far you are extending Liberty Av], then maybe have some trains run on it, but NOT replacing the other service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 14, 2011 Author Share #77 Posted July 14, 2011 No, it would be the same problem as sending the to Lefferts, you'd piss off people wanting a 1-seat ride. The local is NOT a popular option. Also who's to say casino riders would be taking the subway down? If people are carrying money, they don't want to be on the train where they could be robbed of their money. They'd be better off taking a charter bus or drive there directly. Well maybe NYC residents (majority of them from the Bronx)use mass transit to go to Yonkers Raceway/Empire City. Of course you transfer between the subway at Woodlawn and the Bee Line(Westchester County)Routes #20/21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted July 14, 2011 Share #78 Posted July 14, 2011 I don't like the "two-lines-in-one" deal. If the thing is local it should stay local. The beauty of our system is that one can transfer from a Local to an Express very quickly an efficiently. So this whole thing about substituting a local for an express is stupid. It just turns into snobbery. A one-seat ride does not a subway ride make. I mean, really, if you want that in a city as complex as New York, go drive. There's your one seat ride. If I lived next to Leffrets and the ran there I'd be perfectly fine with that, because then I could transfer at Euclid for a faster train if one is convenient. That's how the system is supposed to work. Why is Leffrets Blvd a weird exception? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 14, 2011 Share #79 Posted July 14, 2011 Not snobbery, the fact is, it hasn't been changed in decades now. To just spring a local on a group of riders, of course there will be an uproar over it. "Just put yourself in their shoes." :sigh: I've made my points, I'm done here. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted July 14, 2011 Share #80 Posted July 14, 2011 I don't like the "two-lines-in-one" deal. If the thing is local it should stay local. The beauty of our system is that one can transfer from a Local to an Express very quickly an efficiently. So this whole thing about substituting a local for an express is stupid. It just turns into snobbery. A one-seat ride does not a subway ride make. I mean, really, if you want that in a city as complex as New York, go drive. There's your one seat ride. If I lived next to Leffrets and the ran there I'd be perfectly fine with that, because then I could transfer at Euclid for a faster train if one is convenient. That's how the system is supposed to work. Why is Leffrets Blvd a weird exception? I have to agree with you since I've taken the Lefferts a few times and I've seen how frustrated riders are at Rockaway Blvd waiting for the Lefferts and a few Far Rockaway trains pass by. No wonder more Richmond Hill riders prefer taking the Q10 to the or . They're more reliable and convenient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted July 14, 2011 Share #81 Posted July 14, 2011 Unless the MTA gets $$$$$$$$$ for its Operating Budget all of these "ideas" wont even see the light of day.... Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted July 14, 2011 Share #82 Posted July 14, 2011 Unless the MTA gets $$$$$$$$$ for its Operating Budget all of these "ideas" wont even see the light of day.... Just saying.... Who knows, some of these proposals may come into light in some form by way of "Doomsday Round II" Cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 14, 2011 Share #83 Posted July 14, 2011 God it's been so long since I used the outside of manhattan it's not even funny. It's so tricky to suggest what it should do because I'm actually old enough to remember the going out to the rockaways. The has a hefty route on its shoulders, but the equipment seems to be proving up to the task of running it. I think it's fine as is. Most of the people who go to the beaches here usually prefer Brighton/Coney Island over the Rockaways. There are plenty of people who go out to the rockaways but its mostly locals who live within straightshot of the area anyway. Probably the easiest way to deal with the weekend ridership is increased frequency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted July 14, 2011 Share #84 Posted July 14, 2011 Not snobbery, the fact is, it hasn't been changed in decades now. To just spring a local on a group of riders, of course there will be an uproar over it. "Just put yourself in their shoes." :sigh: I've made my points, I'm done here. Carry on. I can understand the frustration of Lefferts riders, but there are likely going to at some point need to be some significant changes with the casino opening at Aqueduct later this year. I seriously doubt casino patrons are going to accept the split train to Aqueduct for very long, especially once that is in full operation early next year. That's why to me, if there are enough casino patrons to warrant such having ALL trains go to either Far Rockaway or Rockaway Park (especially with the growing population of Rockaway Park) EXCEPT for a limited number of peak-direction trains to/from Lefferts during rush hours. Especially if it eliminates the overnight on the Lefferts branch (and thus, those riders two-seat ride), then it would be worth it. Oh, and the first underground stop in bad weather patrons could switch to the at is actually Grant Avenue, the stop before Euclid, which many forget about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted July 14, 2011 Share #85 Posted July 14, 2011 You guys are WAY overstating the Casino. It won't change much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted July 14, 2011 Share #86 Posted July 14, 2011 You guys are WAY overstating the Casino. It won't change much. As it now stands the " casino" will only be a video type of operation. We're not talking about a Vegas or AC type casino where the high rollers ($$$$) go to gamble. There will be no high stakes table games allowed. Instead what is being opened is a flashy video arcade which won't draw the real money gamblers. Until that's allowed I can't see the adding much more than few extra trains or buses at first. With the economy in shambles at present I really don't forecast overwhelming crowds after the novelty wears off. Might be great for the foamers to see. Just my opinion, though. Now if a full fledged casino were to open on Long Island I'm sure the LIRR would have special service. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 15, 2011 Author Share #87 Posted July 15, 2011 As it now stands the " casino" will only be a video type of operation. We're not talking about a Vegas or AC type casino where the high rollers ($$$$) go to gamble. There will be no high stakes table games allowed. Instead what is being opened is a flashy video arcade which won't draw the real money gamblers. Until that's allowed I can't see the adding much more than few extra trains or buses at first. With the economy in shambles at present I really don't forecast overwhelming crowds after the novelty wears off. Might be great for the foamers to see. Just my opinion, though. Now if a full fledged casino were to open on Long Island I'm sure the LIRR would have special service. Carry on. Really?:confused: Thanks for the info trainmaster. I guess the hard core gamblers in the metro area will still go to either AC or Moeghan Sun/Foxwoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted July 15, 2011 Share #88 Posted July 15, 2011 As it now stands the " casino" will only be a video type of operation. We're not talking about a Vegas or AC type casino where the high rollers ($$$$) go to gamble. There will be no high stakes table games allowed. Instead what is being opened is a flashy video arcade which won't draw the real money gamblers. Until that's allowed I can't see the adding much more than few extra trains or buses at first. With the economy in shambles at present I really don't forecast overwhelming crowds after the novelty wears off. Might be great for the foamers to see. Just my opinion, though. Now if a full fledged casino were to open on Long Island I'm sure the LIRR would have special service. Carry on. theres been rumors about a casino opening at Belmont Park, in which case the LIRR would have to upgrade the station and service there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted July 15, 2011 Share #89 Posted July 15, 2011 Please there have rumors and proposals of casino opening in Far Rockaway as far back as the 1980's. I know because that was one of the planning projects in graduate school then. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted July 15, 2011 Share #90 Posted July 15, 2011 theres been rumors about a casino opening at Belmont Park, in which case the LIRR would have to upgrade the station and service there. At the present time with the closing of Aqueduct as a racetrack there would only be Belmont Park as a fulltime thoroughbred track in the area. Saratoga only operates in the summer for a few weeks so unless the state and the NYRA are giving up on horse racing and it's revenue Belmont Park will remain open. I know attendance has dwindled at the tracks over the last few decades but I can't see NYS giving up the "Sport of Kings" as long as there is money to be made. Belmont Park and the Belmont Stakes is their crown jewel yet the state has done nothing to upgrade LIRR transportation to the track. BTW the only time I can remember when only one downstate racetrack was open was in the 1950's when Jamaica Racetrack closed down before Aqueduct was opened. I still think the real casino will be opened by the Native Americans out in Suffolk County barring some sort of land swap with NY State and NYC. Out near the Shinnecock lands or maybe a land swap with the old Rockaway Playland might have worked. Just my opinion. Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted July 16, 2011 Share #91 Posted July 16, 2011 Options to Lefferts 1. A good idea would be to bring back the and cut a little service on the . The would go to Lefferts Blvd while the would go to Far Rockaway. 2. You can also just extend the to Lefferts. What's so bad about walking across the platform? Wouldn't it be good to extend the to Rockaway Blvd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share #92 Posted July 16, 2011 Kid. Have you ever been at all on the Lefferts/Rockaway branch? Options to Lefferts 1. A good idea would be to bring back the and cut a little service on the . The would go to Lefferts Blvd while the would go to Far Rockaway. 2. You can also just extend the to Lefferts. What's so bad about walking across the platform? Wouldn't it be good to extend the to Rockaway Blvd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 16, 2011 Share #93 Posted July 16, 2011 People just don't read anymore.... they take one look at the first thread and post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted July 16, 2011 Share #94 Posted July 16, 2011 People just don't read anymore.... they take one look at the first thread and post...Extend the to Lefferts Blvd!!1! Extend the to Rockaway Park!111!! Tis not dat hard becuz of ex, why, and zee!11!!11! /rant over I personally believe that there should be a sticky thread explaining why train service right now is like that, why "easy extensions" are a bad idea, and the like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted July 16, 2011 Share #95 Posted July 16, 2011 Kid. Have you ever been at all on the Lefferts/Rockaway branch? Have I ever seen Far Rockaway on a subway map? Extend the to Lefferts Blvd!!1! Extend the to Rockaway Park!111!! Tis not dat hard becuz of ex, why, and zee!11!!11! /rant over I personally believe that there should be a sticky thread explaining why train service right now is like that, why "easy extensions" are a bad idea, and the like. :tup: Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share #96 Posted July 16, 2011 Have I ever seen Far Rockaway on a subway map? :tup: Thx Just curious. I asked that of almost anyone here sometimes(I been to almost all 400-plus NYC subway stations and every NYC subway line) since a few of the posters here make bus/subway proposals without ever traveling there. Nothing personal kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted July 16, 2011 Share #97 Posted July 16, 2011 Options to Lefferts 1. A good idea would be to bring back the and cut a little service on the . The would go to Lefferts Blvd while the would go to Far Rockaway. 2. You can also just extend the to Lefferts. What's so bad about walking across the platform? Wouldn't it be good to extend the to Rockaway Blvd 1. there's no need to reduce any service, just name one breanch and leave the other ...same frequencies, just a lil less confusing to riders 2. We been through this 3 trillion times...nuff said 3. They do that during the winter months, depending on how bad the weather is. The Rock Pk would go to Euclid so people won't freeze to death out in the Rockaways. All other times, it isn't needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted July 16, 2011 Share #98 Posted July 16, 2011 I'll sum this up in a nutshell in case you are lazy to read the earlier posts: People in Ozone Park want a 1 seat express ride to Manhattan instead of transferring at Euclid for an express which is why the will never go to Lefferts. The best way to solve this is to change the letter of the Lefferts leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 16, 2011 Author Share #99 Posted July 16, 2011 I'll sum this up in a nutshell in case you are lazy to read the earlier posts: People in Ozone Park want a 1 seat express ride to Manhattan instead of transferring at Euclid for an express which is why the will never go to Lefferts. The best way to solve this is to change the letter of the Lefferts leg. Dont forget to add slightly more Far Rockaway and Rock park during the summer and we good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 16, 2011 Share #100 Posted July 16, 2011 Doesn't anyone else notice that whenever "the (A)" & "the Rockaways" is mentioned in a thread, "the ©" & "Lefferts" is GUARANTEED to be brought up in it..... Have I ever seen Far Rockaway on a subway map? I've seen a world map... Doesn't mean I know enough about every country on the planet ! That's why it's not wise to speak on something you never experienced... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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