qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2011 Share #276 Posted August 4, 2011 Quick question, how can the BxM4 merge with the 4C when they're from 2 different bus companies? An express route terminating at an airport is a bad idea. The LIRR will not kill the QM3. Do you realize the distance between the Little Neck LIRR and Horace Harding Expwy? And the (Q79) was eliminated last summer? I meant after bee-line kills the 4C actually. Cause bee-line doesn't want the rte I don't blame em either. How many ppl ACTUALLY USE QM3 AT LIE I-495??? Is it enough to justify the line??? I would have kept the Q79 and slightly adjust rush hr service to meet LIRR trains better. Then let QM3 get axed instead of Q79 the Q79 costs less to operate than QM3!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2011 Share #277 Posted August 4, 2011 The QM3 has it niche and LIRR will not cross honor unless emergency. When was QM15 traffic going to Queens because going to Manhattan is not problem. BxM4C is bee line and BxM4 is MTA Bus. White Plain is farther from Yonker depot than the BxM4 and BxM4C travel time increase by having it go through McLean, Katonah, and 233 St I won't have the new bxm4 go to white plains as no one really uses it past tuckahoe rd service to white plains eliminated. Truncate it there at rush hr at off peak ends at cross county after empire casino. Plus the new bxm4 will bypass the fail that is I87 instead using bronx river parkway to allerton before going through brainbridge on normal bxm4 rting then mclean to central park ave. BUT rush hr one to woodlawn and other to tuckahoe rd via bronx river parkway/bruckner. Plus cross honoring is cheaper than running a duplicate bus at least for rush hr only period. QM3 sorry I don't see it's niche just as I don't see the 4C's importance sorry but if it duplicates and is slower without unique segments that are major I just can't see why it should stick around. Again it's faster to use LIRR. Most ppl using QM3 are in NE queens don't they have cars?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted August 4, 2011 Share #278 Posted August 4, 2011 The MTA should get rid of express bus lines that run adjacent to a subway line. They are so unnecessary. They should run in areas that have limited transportation access like Staten Island. By that logic, alot of local lines would be unnecessary also.....I rather the express bus. Take away the express buses and you have insane crowding on the subway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2011 Share #279 Posted August 4, 2011 By that logic, alot of local lines would be unnecessary also.....I rather the express bus. Take away the express buses and you have insane crowding on the subway. That logic is well 50% right and 50% wrong true some places where train and express bus copy each other the train is the better option However other places in the bronx and queens The express bus copies a local bus that links to the subway that doesn't count as complete duplicate cause in that senario the express bus is mostly faster therefore unique and nessesary. But in places where the express bus literally has very few spots the train doesn't go the express bus is very likely to have low ridership and therefore useless cause almost always the train would be faster. For example the BXM4 vs the always wins hands down as it is faster with fewer stops. Plus very few ppl use BXM4 to get to grand concourse most use it for woodlawn therefore the bus can become useful and unique if it were to reroute away from grand concourse plus most BXM4 riders DO NOT want the BXM4 on grand concourse anyway. I agree take away express bus and the subway turns to HELL to a certain extent. Hence why X68 and X63 only run at rush hour heck they are only needed at that time when subway ridership is too high and a spill off mode is needed. However in NJ many buses go non-stop and don't make the stops the trains make however very few bus lines completely copy the train and ones that do like 116 are generally faster than the NEC to 62 perth amboy which can become unreliable due to it's length. So NYC and NJ are very different but the concept remains the same buses and trains need to have very unique functions and fill in all different needs in a unified manner without completely copying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted August 4, 2011 Share #280 Posted August 4, 2011 You cant compare NJ to NYC; NJs rail system is not as complex as NYC, and NJT buses serve as a feeder to its trains and some take the train to the bus. As for the BxM4 that I do agree with to an extent. But just because "most" want Woodlawn doesnt mean all wants Woodlawn. There are people who want Grand Concourse. The can be suspect at times especially when its running exp and the is local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 4, 2011 Share #281 Posted August 4, 2011 The QM3, I side w/ QJT, but not for his reasons.... The LIRR isn't the only factor as to the route's lack of usage... Yeah it gets it's few riders, but the problem w/ the route - is the routing itself.... Barely anyone's thinkin twice about an express bus in Flushing (same reason why the x51 failed)... once you get south of crocheron on the QM3, those residents are not gonna wanna make their way to Northern Blvd to catch the express... and quite frankly, I don't blame them.... It's no accident as to why the QM2/a works, and the QM3 continues to fail.... only residential portion the 3 really pans down, is that little stint down LNP.... The QM3 isn't fast b/c it takes one stretch of road all the way down; they coast down northern b/c buses are damned near empty.... that is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2011 Share #282 Posted August 4, 2011 You cant compare NJ to NYC; NJs rail system is not as complex as NYC, and NJT buses serve as a feeder to its trains and some take the train to the bus. As for the BxM4 that I do agree with to an extent. But just because "most" want Woodlawn doesnt mean all wants Woodlawn. There are people who want Grand Concourse. The can be suspect at times especially when its running exp and the is local. Sorry but bus service especially express service needs to cater to what "MOST" riders want you can't cater to all. Cause in BXM4's case you get most ppl getting dissatisfied and eventually ridership will drop if you ignore what MOST ppl want. Sometimes you have to sacrifice the few to save the many in this case sacrifice the few grand concourse ppl put em on the subway so the many can get a faster ride and many more will use the route as it becomes more attractive due to enhanced speed. The concourse has too many alternatives to justify the bxm4 running there. Sometimes you have to lose 5 riders to gain 50 more riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 4, 2011 Share #283 Posted August 4, 2011 Sometimes you have to sacrifice the few to save the many in this case sacrifice the few grand concourse ppl put em on the subway so the many can get a faster ride and many more will use the route as it becomes more attractive due to enhanced speed. The concourse has too many alternatives to justify the bxm4 running there. Sometimes you have to lose 5 riders to gain 50 more riders. That scenario won't happen if you sent BxM4's to some Tuckahoe rd, or pretty much anywhere else w/i Westchester county.... You make it sound like ridership is booming on the C4.... It's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2011 Share #284 Posted August 4, 2011 That scenario won't happen if you sent BxM4's to some Tuckahoe rd, or pretty much anywhere else w/i Westchester county.... You make it sound like ridership is booming on the C4.... It's not. ehh ur right C4 is crap keeping bxm4 at woodlawn would be better and it can go no farther than the casino anyway so it can reach the garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted August 4, 2011 Share #285 Posted August 4, 2011 Again it's faster to use LIRR. Most ppl using QM3 are in NE queens don't they have cars?? First of all, people use the express bus in order to avoid driving to and from the city, because parking is horrible, and driving to an LIRR station to try to find parking is not much better. It is easier to park along the express bus line, or even better, simply walk to the express bus stop if you live close enough, which is more likely than being able to walk to the LIRR stations near there. It is also more environmentally friendly to cut out the driving part of the equation if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 4, 2011 Share #286 Posted August 4, 2011 First of all, people use the express bus in order to avoid driving to and from the city, because parking is horrible, and driving to an LIRR station to try to find parking is not much better. It is easier to park along the express bus line, or even better, simply walk to the express bus stop if you live close enough, which is more likely than being able to walk to the LIRR stations near there. It is also more environmentally friendly to cut out the driving part of the equation if at all possible. err one problem barely anyone uses the QM3 if anything give QM6 or 5 that segment. again northern blvd does NOT NEED express buses!!!! QM2 and QM6= WIN. QM3 and 18= EPIC FAIL OR WASTE!!!!! place service where it is actually needed!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted August 5, 2011 Share #287 Posted August 5, 2011 err one problem barely anyone uses the QM3 if anything give QM6 or 5 that segment. again northern blvd does NOT NEED express buses!!!! QM2 and QM6= WIN. QM3 and 18= EPIC FAIL OR WASTE!!!!! place service where it is actually needed!!!! What?? Tat has absolutely nothing to do with the point that I made. Anyway, the QM6 and QM5 are long enough routes as it is, and are jam packed in rush hour runs, so it would be stupid to make those routes even longer and take even more time to complete the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 5, 2011 Share #288 Posted August 5, 2011 What?? Tat has absolutely nothing to do with the point that I made. Anyway, the QM6 and QM5 are long enough routes as it is, and are jam packed in rush hour runs, so it would be stupid to make those routes even longer and take even more time to complete the route. I guess what he's tryna say is that, more cars wouldn't be (being) kept off the road by having the QM3 & 18 around - b/c no one rides them to begin with.... of course, he'll come around & clarify what he meant.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted August 5, 2011 Share #289 Posted August 5, 2011 I guess what he's tryna say is that, more cars wouldn't be (being) kept off the road by having the QM3 & 18 around - b/c no one rides them to begin with.... of course, he'll come around & clarify what he meant.... nope ur right on the money. The QM3 and 18 are utterly useless and no one uses them alot to begin with eliminating em won't add many cars to the road. If anything it would only increase ridership on the QM21/X63 due to QM18 elimination. And increase LIRR ridership and to an extent QM5/6 ridership but Most of the few QM3 ppl will switch to the LIRR without qm3 around. While killing QM18 would help QM21 indirectly and add more ppl to q10 LTD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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