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Andres

Nostalgiac Trains

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Its come to my Attention that the ERA,NYCTA, And the Transit Museum work together in preserving subway cars from the past so the next generation can see them. But ive looked at all the cars of the Museum Fleet and historic cars owned by other Rail Preservations groups that the Museum uses but not all of the historic cars are there. Some of the most famous cars are not in the museum fleets such as the

 

BMT Green Hornet

BMT Zephyr

BMT Multi-Section

BMT Triplex (If They have not given up on fixing the issues with the cars)

 

R34

R36

Gibbs Steel Car

Composite Car

IRT Lo-V WF

 

Don't these cars have the same value as the ones kept in the museum? Subway Preservation Groups already existed a few years after the subway was made when it was held as an Engineering Marvel Under NYC so why not Preserve some of the "Pioneer" trains used on the system. Why didnt the museum or any other rail buff association preserve the first cars? why let them be scrapped? And what ever happened to the BMT Triplex set the museum had? whats going to happen to the Nostalgiac cars at the Coney Island Complex? some cars are there being refitted for special trips but they havent been touched. what ever happened to the BMT Standards A/B that ran on a special fan trip with the Triplexes back and forth along the rockaway Branches?

 

The Blue Lo-V's, The BMT Q Type set that the museum had what ever happened to those cars? It seems like most of the older cars the Museum Fleet had have disappeared without a trace.

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The Transit Museum doesn't have real BUs either. It's unfortunate that they can't really run throughout the entire system.

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There are two Manhattan Elevated cars preserved, though they are preserved in their WWII shipyard railway scheme.

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There are plenty of "real SMEEs" preserved. There's even the R16 up in Kingston. While it can't exactly "move", it's there.

 

Personally, I wish there were more Hi-Vs preserved. Only two of them left, one Gibbs and one Deck Roof. The Deck Roof is on my wish list...

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Its come to my Attention that the ERA,NYCTA, And the Transit Museum work together in preserving subway cars from the past so the next generation can see them.

 

MTA NYCT (aka NYCTA) works together with the Transit Museum and Railway Preservation Corp to save subway cars.

 

NY Division of the ERA has nothing to do with anything, and has devolved to the point where it is nothing but a bunch of senile old foamers who look at slide shows and make sound effects. They used to organize trips but they have pretty much never been involved in preservation of equipment.

 

But ive looked at all the cars of the Museum Fleet and historic cars owned by other Rail Preservations groups that the Museum uses but not all of the historic cars are there. Some of the most famous cars are not in the museum fleets such as the...

 

My comments on each car type appear in red below:

 

BMT Green Hornet All scrapped

BMT Zephyr All scrapped

BMT Multi-Section All scrapped

BMT Triplex (If They have not given up on fixing the issues with the cars) Three sets preserved - one displayed in NYTM, two currently in storage. Restoration needed, but incomplete and pending.

 

R34 see R-11. One car saved

R36 A handful saved through NYCTA property

Gibbs Steel Car None saved in NYC. One preserved at Seashore Trolley Museum in Kennebunkport, ME

Composite Car All scrapped

IRT Lo-V WF One saved, needs restoration

 

Don't these cars have the same value as the ones kept in the museum? Subway Preservation Groups already existed a few years after the subway was made when it was held as an Engineering Marvel Under NYC so why not Preserve some of the "Pioneer" trains used on the system. Why didnt the museum or any other rail buff association preserve the first cars? why let them be scrapped?

 

Because some things over the years were out of those association with preservation's control. Also, a lot of the older stuff wasn't saved because subway cars weren't really saved until the 1960's, at least with any kind of regularity. Anything retired before then pretty much does not have a surviving example. In the case of the BMT experimentals, WWII steel needs dictated the destruction of the cars.

 

And what ever happened to the BMT Triplex set the museum had?

 

See above.

 

whats going to happen to the Nostalgiac cars at the Coney Island Complex? some cars are there being refitted for special trips but they havent been touched. what ever happened to the BMT Standards A/B that ran on a special fan trip with the Triplexes back and forth along the rockaway Branches?

 

Preserved, need restoration. Work ongoing. No timetable for completion.

 

The Blue Lo-V's, The BMT Q Type set that the museum had what ever happened to those cars? It seems like most of the older cars the Museum Fleet had have disappeared without a trace.

 

Many of them have. Re: Q Types - In the 1980's there was a big purge. The original plan to save a 3 car set of Q types and a 3 car set that would be restored back to BU appearance was downsized to just include the 3 BU cars on display in the museum.

 

Hopefully that kind of purge never happens again. But a lot of people are working hard to safeguard what has been saved and restore what can be restored as well as most importantly keep running what is operable.

 

As for the Lo-V's 4 of them were saved and those are the cars you see operable on the Lo-V trips each year.

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Isn't there a Q left in Kingston? I know, I know...Kingston.

 

The scrap yard? Yea they have 1.

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Hah, scrap yard. I've been there once. It's an interesting place, that's for sure.

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And a sad place.

 

All museums face tough times. Give them a chance, they've got some interesting plans going for them.

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