B25, BxM7A, Q37, QM2A Changes

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16]

QM2A to be QM20 not sitting well with me only because they say it won't confuse people so my thought would of been to Revise the QM2 and 2A to be the QM19 Bayside and QM20 Clearview but I'm dying to know why we can't get the X to our routes???WHYYYY ohhh whyyyy:p

[transit bx]

QM2A to be QM20 not sitting well with me only because they say it won't confuse people so my thought would of been to Revise the QM2 and 2A to be the QM19 Bayside and QM20 Clearview but I'm dying to know why we can't get the X to our routes???WHYYYY ohhh whyyyy:p

 

You know why KR, thats because we MTA BUS and they NYCT. Maybe when everything finally merge which they need to stop playing and just do it already damit then i guess we will get the X in our routes though out the system. But im with you bro add that X already lol.

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16]

You know why KR, thats because we MTA BUS and they NYCT. Maybe when everything finally merge which they need to stop playing and just do it already damit then i guess we will get the X in our routes though out the system. But im with you bro add that X already lol.

 

Very good and just to let some know here about the X in our Routes wellll ...KR already tested this out

[transit bx]

Very good and just to let some know here about the X in our Routes wellll ...KR already tested this out

 

LOL you should go on a frenzy and put a X on all MTA BUS DEPOTS that have express routes.

[engineerboy6561]

You know why KR, thats because we MTA BUS and they NYCT. Maybe when everything finally merge which they need to stop playing and just do it already damit then i guess we will get the X in our routes though out the system. But im with you bro add that X already lol.

 

That would actually be nice to see; it would certainly make things far less ambiguous and of course would let you take your codebreaking to new heights!

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16]

LOL you should go on a frenzy and put a X on all MTA BUS DEPOTS that have express routes.

Some members in here know what Codebreaking secrets I've done Thus far:)

That would actually be nice to see; it would certainly make things far less ambiguous and of course would let you take your codebreaking to new heights!

 

A great idea in fact:tup:

[Cait Sith]

I have to be honest I HATE mid route diversions NONE make any sense period ever. If anything with Q37 a portion will have to be sacrificed to get the bus in the casino!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Everytime I look at suffolk I get disgusted by the mid rte diversions those same diversions BURNED MY ASS with the unreliability. I think all mid rte diversions should get axed and instead let another line do that!!!!!!!!! Off topic in suffolk the S66 needs to ditch mastic beach and let S71 serve it instead!!!!!!! No one with a car used buses that backtrack!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most of the LI plans I made eliminate mid rte diversions completely without hurting riders. I missed a connection and had to wait an hour!!!!!!!!! Mid rte diversions are disgusting period!!!!!!!!!!

 

To some extent, I agree and disagree. There have been a few mid-route diversions that have helped, others just make no sense.

 

lol...

 

1) You can't extend the Q40 along 135th... it's cut off by the Van Wyck....

 

2) The Q37 down in S. Ozone park is fine as is.... you would be changing those residents' commutes for no real reason if you were to send Q40's on the other side of Van Wyck... Just for the racetrack/casino? I mean, to sit there & suggest that, only shows me that conclusions are being made just by looking at a bus map....

 

You cut the 37 back to aqueduct & extend 40's to aqueduct.... and Q10's would even be more crushloaded than they currently are... I guarantee it.

 

3) the Q9 I wouldn't bother sending that to aqueduct in any capacity... I'd send it to AIRTrain Lefferts blvd instead [rockaway blvd, then turn on lefferts], along the portion where the Q10 LTD's operate along....

 

You can't extend the Q40, period, especially going South. That end at 142nd might not get a lot of folks going to Sutphin (except majorly during the rush hours), but the farthest you can extend it is by the garbage truck facility where the Q10 passes through.

 

The Q37 is by far more reliable than the Q41. The line bunches up too often (I have to deal with that line now...)

 

The Q112....honestly....I wouldnt bother extending it only because it gets a load at Rockaway Blvd alone 80% of the time, then at 111th, then Lefferts. The route empties out after crossing the Van Wyck Expressway for the most part. Along Liberty Ave, it doesnt "crawl" per-say, but it has its choking points.

 

IMO, The Q7 should also serve the Casino or even nearby it, it currently stops by the parking lot (what I like to call the flea market entrance). Also, reroute the Q10 Rockaway Blvd branch to serve the casino instead of discontinuing it as a whole because even though its a short turn, its EXTREMELY HEAVILY USED at Lefferts and at Jamaica Avenue

[Via Garibaldi 8]

The private sector would probably run two trips a day in each direction as well unless they used smaller equipment or ran a tour schedule there.

 

As another poster asked, why is that? I just don't see what two runs does??? Who uses it?? It seems like a waste. Have six runs (one every half hour) during the mornings from from 06:00 until 08:30 and six in the evenings from 17:00 - 19:30.

[transit bx]

Some members in here know what Codebreaking secrets I've done Thus far:)

 

 

A great idea in fact:tup:

 

HOLY Sh*T lol

[transit bx]

Some members in here know what Codebreaking secrets I've done Thus far:)

 

 

A great idea in fact:tup:

 

As another poster asked, why is that? I just don't see what two runs does??? Who uses it?? It seems like a waste. Have six runs (one every half hour) during the mornings from from 06:00 until 08:30 and six in the evenings from 17:00 - 19:30.

 

That sounds good, i think they should, i did the first trip before when i was line training and boy i was like what the hell. I did not even leave CI yet and i was already full. Not to mention that i still had to go though the regular part of the route from pelham bay station.

[B35 via Church]

You can't extend the Q40, period, especially going South. That end at 142nd might not get a lot of folks going to Sutphin (except majorly during the rush hours), but the farthest you can extend it is by the garbage truck facility where the Q10 passes through.

 

The Q37 is by far more reliable than the Q41. The line bunches up too often (I have to deal with that line now...)

 

The Q112....honestly....I wouldnt bother extending it only because it gets a load at Rockaway Blvd alone 80% of the time, then at 111th, then Lefferts. The route empties out after crossing the Van Wyck Expressway for the most part. Along Liberty Ave, it doesnt "crawl" per-say, but it has its choking points.

 

IMO, The Q7 should also serve the Casino or even nearby it, it currently stops by the parking lot (what I like to call the flea market entrance). Also, reroute the Q10 Rockaway Blvd branch to serve the casino instead of discontinuing it as a whole because even though its a short turn, its EXTREMELY HEAVILY USED at Lefferts and at Jamaica Avenue

 

yeah, the streets run funny down there by that holiday inn.... the point I was tryna make about the Q40 was, even if it could, it would still yield absolutely no demand.... it would be detrimental either way...

 

I don't know how reliable the 37 is, but I know how unreliable the 41 is....

matter fact, I have to take the 41 later on today =(

 

far as the Q10 goes, that was Amtrak's idea....

[aemoreira81]

Agree with most of the plans, but I would have chosen QM9 for the QM2A.

 

But for service to Fulton Landing, I would have extended alternate B67 runs and truncate alternate B25 runs to Cadman Plaza.

[qjtransitmaster]

lol...

 

1) You can't extend the Q40 along 135th... it's cut off by the Van Wyck....

 

2) The Q37 down in S. Ozone park is fine as is.... you would be changing those residents' commutes for no real reason if you were to send Q40's on the other side of Van Wyck... Just for the racetrack/casino? I mean, to sit there & suggest that, only shows me that conclusions are being made just by looking at a bus map....

 

You cut the 37 back to aqueduct & extend 40's to aqueduct.... and Q10's would even be more crushloaded than they currently are... I guarantee it.

 

3) the Q9 I wouldn't bother sending that to aqueduct in any capacity... I'd send it to AIRTrain Lefferts blvd instead [rockaway blvd, then turn on lefferts], along the portion where the Q10 LTD's operate along....

sorry I will stick with the Q9

[checkmatechamp13]

As another poster asked, why is that? I just don't see what two runs does??? Who uses it?? It seems like a waste. Have six runs (one every half hour) during the mornings from from 06:00 until 08:30 and six in the evenings from 17:00 - 19:30.

 

It'd definitely possible to use a bus route that has 2 runs per day. The QM22 and QM23 only had a few runs per day before they were discontinued, and people managed to get around that.

 

In this case, if people miss the bus, they'll take the BX29 to either the BxM7 or BxM7A.

 

But you're right, though. They should extend a few more runs to City Island (and align them with Bx29 runs so that people can use it easily in case they miss the BxM7A).

 

Wow. Me asking for an increase in express service? What is this world coming to?

[Amtrak7]

It'd definitely possible to use a bus route that has 2 runs per day. The QM22 and QM23 only had a few runs per day before they were discontinued, and people managed to get around that.

 

In this case, if people miss the bus, they'll take the BX29 to either the BxM7 or BxM7A.

 

But you're right, though. They should extend a few more runs to City Island (and align them with Bx29 runs so that people can use it easily in case they miss the BxM7A).

 

Wow. Me asking for an increase in express service? What is this world coming to?

 

City Island express bus demand is probably similar to Gerritsen Beach, both being relatively low density residential neighborhoods. Both need express service, Gerritsen gets too much, City Island gets too little. What City Island needs is at least 1 or 2 more roundtrips, and advertising the BxM7 to Bx29 as an alternate.

 

More frequent service usually equals more ridership, but when such a frequent alternate is nearby, I doubt it will make a difference unless the headway beats that of the Bx29, which is foolish.

 

Do most Bx29 riders transfer to the or go elsewhere?

[SIR North Shore]

Here's my ideas:

 

1) The MTA should have the Q7 extended down Rockaway Blvd and Conduit to Green Acres. That would make it so that no one has to trek all the way up to Jamaica Center and back down again and vice versa. Every other Q6 would terminate at either N Boundary Road or Cargo Road.

 

2) The Q9, Q10, Q40, Q41 & Q112 shouldn't be changed at all. The Q10 runs parallel to the Q37 and the rest aren't reliable as-is.

 

3) The Q42 would be converted back into a full-time route and have it run through Jamaica Center to Aqueduct via the Q41 route. I would have the Q42 run every 15, 20 or 30 minutes, no overnight service and cut a few runs from the Q41 to not have too much service in Ozone Park.

 

4) A new route should be created running between Cypress Hills or Crescent St on the J/Z to Linden Blvd & 235th Street via Rockaway & the casino loop.

[checkmatechamp13]

City Island express bus demand is probably similar to Gerritsen Beach, both being relatively low density residential neighborhoods. Both need express service, Gerritsen gets too much, City Island gets too little. What City Island needs is at least 1 or 2 more roundtrips, and advertising the BxM7 to Bx29 as an alternate.

 

More frequent service usually equals more ridership, but when such a frequent alternate is nearby, I doubt it will make a difference unless the headway beats that of the Bx29, which is foolish.

 

Do most Bx29 riders transfer to the or go elsewhere?

 

The Bx29 can't really be considered frequent, considering that it runs every 15-20 minutes during rush hour. The B31 at least runs every 8-10 minutes during rush hour (and the Bx29 has absolutely no alternative, whereas some parts of Gerritsen Beach have the B3).

 

Here's my ideas:

 

1) The MTA should have the Q7 extended down Rockaway Blvd and Conduit to Green Acres. That would make it so that no one has to trek all the way up to Jamaica Center and back down again and vice versa. Every other Q6 would terminate at either N Boundary Road or Cargo Road.

 

2) The Q9, Q10, Q40, Q41 & Q112 shouldn't be changed at all. The Q10 runs parallel to the Q37 and the rest aren't reliable as-is.

 

3) The Q42 would be converted back into a full-time route and have it run through Jamaica Center to Aqueduct via the Q41 route. I would have the Q42 run every 15, 20 or 30 minutes, no overnight service and cut a few runs from the Q41 to not have too much service in Ozone Park.

 

4) A new route should be created running between Cypress Hills or Crescent St on the J/Z to Linden Blvd & 235th Street via Rockaway & the casino loop.

 

For starters, maybe the Q7 could be extended to connect with the at Crescent Street.

 

And I agree that something (though not necessarily the Q7) should connect that part of Queens to the Green Acres Mall.

[Amtrak7]

The Bx29 can't really be considered frequent, considering that it runs every 15-20 minutes during rush hour. The B31 at least runs every 8-10 minutes during rush hour (and the Bx29 has absolutely no alternative, whereas some parts of Gerritsen Beach have the B3).

 

15-20 min is better than 2 trips.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

It'd definitely possible to use a bus route that has 2 runs per day. The QM22 and QM23 only had a few runs per day before they were discontinued, and people managed to get around that.

 

In this case, if people miss the bus, they'll take the BX29 to either the BxM7 or BxM7A.

 

But you're right, though. They should extend a few more runs to City Island (and align them with Bx29 runs so that people can use it easily in case they miss the BxM7A).

 

Wow. Me asking for an increase in express service? What is this world coming to?

 

And that's exactly why you can argue that it's pointless because the QM22 and QM23 were discountinued. My point is those two runs make it very easy to justify axing a route since there are basically so few runs to increase ridership with just two runs each way.

 

The Bx29 can't really be considered frequent, considering that it runs every 15-20 minutes during rush hour. The B31 at least runs every 8-10 minutes during rush hour (and the Bx29 has absolutely no alternative, whereas some parts of Gerritsen Beach have the B3).

 

Not really... Just the Northern part or the "newer" part of Gerritsen Beach. The Southern end or the "older" end relies solely on the B31 and the BM4.

[Shortline Bus]

City Island express bus demand is probably similar to Gerritsen Beach, both being relatively low density residential neighborhoods. Both need express service, Gerritsen gets too much, City Island gets too little. What City Island needs is at least 1 or 2 more roundtrips, and advertising the BxM7 to Bx29 as an alternate.

 

More frequent service usually equals more ridership, but when such a frequent alternate is nearby, I doubt it will make a difference unless the headway beats that of the Bx29, which is foolish.

 

Do most Bx29 riders transfer to the or go elsewhere?

 

You mean both City Island and Gerristean need peak direction service to Manhattan. I don't have a problem expanding BXM8 service (to City Island)but to only expanded rush hour only service. And maybe during summer weekends only on the new BXM8 as well. Personally for now service is ok for City Island riders.

 

And the BX29 (from times i riden it)i say about 75% on most trips do transfer for the train. Another 10% transfer to the BX12 and the rest transfer to the other local bus routes i.e (Q50) (BX5) (BX23) etc.

[GreatOne2k]

The Bx29 can't really be considered frequent, considering that it runs every 15-20 minutes during rush hour. The B31 at least runs every 8-10 minutes during rush hour (and the Bx29 has absolutely no alternative, whereas some parts of Gerritsen Beach have the B3).

 

 

Technically the Bx29 does have a part time alternative if you count the Bronx Tour Trolley, but that is usually monthly on Fridays (and at one point was actually weekly during the summer a few years ago). The Trolley usually has 60 minute headways so it is just a bonus helping some people who miss the Bx29.

[Amtrak7]

You mean both City Island and Gerristean need peak direction service to Manhattan. I don't have a problem expanding BXM8 service (to City Island)but to only expanded rush hour only service. And maybe during summer weekends only on the new BXM8 as well. Personally for now service is ok for City Island riders.

 

And the BX29 (from times i riden it)i say about 75% on most trips do transfer for the train. Another 10% transfer to the BX12 and the rest transfer to the other local bus routes i.e (Q50) (BX5) (BX23) etc.

 

You're right. The BxM8 off peak should be combined with the BxM7 (hourly trips run local) From your description, the Bx29 seems to be doing its intended purpose as a community shuttle (like the B31). BxM8 rush hour service can grow, as City Island is a wealthy area and the wealthy are usually going to take an express bus over a local one. They should do a 3 month pilot program (not in the summer!) extending every other rush hour trip to City Island and see how it does.

[B35 via Church]

now the Q42's comin into play.... wow...

at least all the other listed routes are in the vicinity.... somewhat...

 

My question is... just how much service do any of you think should go to aqueduct?

 

 

 

City Island express bus demand is probably similar to Gerritsen Beach, both being relatively low density residential neighborhoods. Both need express service, Gerritsen gets too much, City Island gets too little. What City Island needs is at least 1 or 2 more roundtrips, and advertising the BxM7 to Bx29 as an alternate.

 

More frequent service usually equals more ridership, but when such a frequent alternate is nearby, I doubt it will make a difference unless the headway beats that of the Bx29, which is foolish.

 

Do most Bx29 riders transfer to the 6 or go elsewhere?

I don't think the express bus demand for city island is near equal (similar) to that of gerritsen.... I think it's lower, to be honest.... If the BM4 went straight to (meaning, only served) gerritsen, then I would say it gets too much service....

 

as Joel (Azumah) pointed out, if a private carrier would run just as much service out to city island would, how much demand is really there for the express bus?

 

as far as the Bx29 to the subway, that's a very common commute (from either end; co-op or from city island).... but you do have those that travel from co-op to city island; more than I ever would've thought anyway....

 

I don't see the Bx29 to the BxM7 as being that problematic.... the 2 runs/direction city island (directly) gets, I don't think is the worst thing in the world, but no way do I think / would I support anymore service out there...

[Via Garibaldi 8]

I don't think the express bus demand for city island is near equal (similar) to that of gerritsen.... I think it's lower, to be honest.... If the BM4 went straight to (meaning, only served) gerritsen, then I would say it gets too much service....

 

as Joel (Azumah) pointed out, if a private carrier would run just as much service out to city island would, how much demand is really there for the express bus?

 

as far as the Bx29 to the subway, that's a very common commute (from either end; co-op or from city island).... but you do have those that travel from co-op to city island....

 

I don't see the Bx29 to the BxM7 as being that problematic.... the 2 runs/direction city island (directly) gets, I don't think is the worst thing in the world, but no way do I think / would I support anymore service out there...

 

 

But if ridership is that poor though then what is the point of having those two runs to begin with? That's what I don't get. :confused:

[B35 via Church]

But if ridership is that poor though then what is the point of having those two runs to begin with? That's what I don't get. :confused:

What I don't get is, how do you expect any of us to answer that... that's why I didn't reply the first time you asked that question....

 

 

Do I think those 2 runs/direction should revoked from city island, yes...

 

Do I think it's preposterous that city island gets those 2 runs, no....

 

Does either of those last 2 questions have anything to do w/ there being 2 runs/direction in the first place.... absolutely not....