I Wonder Why Some Folks Don't Understand "Closed Door Policy" on LIB and Bee-Line?

[B35 via Church]

The N33 is open door in Far Rockaway, but closed door in Long Beach

yup... You can thank the city of Long Beach for that too....

[Q101 E Midtown]

People don't know how to read a sign to save their lives.

 

"EASTBOUND BUSES DO NOT DROP OFF IN QUEENS"

 

It's not that they do not read, they don't pay attention.

[R188 7857]

People don't know how to read a sign to save their lives.

 

"EASTBOUND BUSES DO NOT DROP OFF IN QUEENS"

 

I didn't even see the signs anywhere.

[Q43LTD]

People don't know how to read a sign to save their lives.

 

"EASTBOUND BUSES DO NOT DROP OFF IN QUEENS"

There should also be signs that say, "WESTBOUND BUSES DO NOT PICK UP IN QUEENS". People will just get on anything.

[GreatOne2k]

The W45 ends at Pelham Bay Park so of course its open door.....

 

W45 has 3 stops in the Bronx, 2 of them inside the Park itself (no NYCT routes stop at Bartow Pell Mansion or Pelham Bit Stables).

 

W42 isn't open door, even though there are no NYCT routes at E 242 St

[Joel Up Front]

I see them a lot... on routes that never even reach Lynbrook.

[East New York]

It's called stupidity and lack of respect on their part for not adhearing to the closed door policy. It's closed door for a reason!!!!!!!!!!.

 

Not everyone knows about the policy, or why it's even in place.

[gtNovaBusRTS9369]

One time while I was on the N6 I saw the advertisment stating that the LIB buses would only do pick-ups in Queens & No Drop-offs in Queens. I'm curious as to whether if LIB buses alltogether have the advertisment & if folks actually pay attention to them.

[aemoreira81]

Some buses do. IMO, it needs to be added to the destination sign...for the N1, N6, N20, N21, N22, and N26 it should be: No Queens Drop-off. For the N24, it should be: First drop-off 225 St.

[Kriston Lewis]

Maybe the closed-door policy is outdated. Long distance services shouldn't be making every stop in Queens anyway. Open the doors and run limited in the city.

[qjtransitmaster]

Maybe the closed-door policy is outdated. Long distance services shouldn't be making every stop in Queens anyway. Open the doors and run limited in the city.

 

that may work even for express buses to an extent and if done properly

[Amtrak7]

That, and the showing of the route & its destination on the bus stops themselves.... Instead of showing "N20 Hicksville" (on the EB lane of northern blvd w/i Queens) on any bus stop, it should really read "N20 pickup only", while the WB side should read dropoff only..... Except the first stop in Flushing....

 

Agree with the dropoff only on the westbound signs, but why not showing the eastern destination on the eastbound signs? Confuse the Bayside-Roslyn passenger is all it'll do.

[East New York]

Maybe the closed-door policy is outdated. Long distance services shouldn't be making every stop in Queens anyway. Open the doors and run limited in the city.

 

No, its not out-dated. This is standard practice throughout the United States and Canada. Whenever one transit agency enters another jurisdiction, they usually always have some type of closed door policy in place. This way, one transit agency is not operating in another's area, taking their fares.

 

This is done is in nearly all of the major metropolitan areas in North America.

[checkmatechamp13]

No, its not out-dated. This is standard practice throughout the United States and Canada. Whenever one transit agency enters another jurisdiction, they usually always have some type of closed door policy in place. This way, one transit agency is not operating in another's area, taking their fares.

 

This is done is in nearly all of the major metropolitan areas in North America.

 

But if the MTA is running LIB (or at least it will be until January 2012), all it's doing is competing with itself.

[B35 via Church]

Agree with the dropoff only on the westbound signs, but why not showing the eastern destination on the eastbound signs? Confuse the Bayside-Roslyn passenger is all it'll do.

 

I don't think it would confuse anyone.... ppl. see a LIB panning eastbound on Northern blvd, they know it's going into Nassau county... The problem is not understanding (or tryna "get by") the closed door policy, not [not knowing] where N20's/21's go.....

 

What I'm suggesting would be a bit of an attempt to try to limit the amt. of people that board N20's/21's as a means of intra-Queens travel....

 

When ppl. see a destination on a bus stop (in general), they assume that buses pickup & dropoff passengers at that stop, and anywhere else along the route (which is true for a local route that doesn't have any special exceptions - like a closed door policy).... This is why you have folks attempting to ride LIB's w/i Queens...

[Amtrak7]

I don't think it would confuse anyone.... ppl. see a LIB panning eastbound on Northern blvd, they know it's going into Nassau county... The problem is not understanding (or tryna "get by") the closed door policy, not [not knowing] where N20's/21's go.....

 

What I'm suggesting would be a bit of an attempt to try to limit the amt. of people that board N20's/21's as a means of intra-Queens travel....

 

When ppl. see a destination on a bus stop (in general), they assume that buses pickup & dropoff passengers at that stop, and anywhere else along the route (which is true for a local route that doesn't have any special exceptions - like a closed door policy).... This is why you have folks attempting to ride LIB's w/i Queens...

 

Then do this:

 

Westbound buses show "DROP OFF ONLY" or "NEXT BUS PLEASE" on destination sign and same for bus stop sign.

 

Eastbound buses show destination plus closed door note on destination sign and same for bus stop sign. Example:

 

N20 HICKSVILLE÷LIRR STATION^NO DROP OFF÷IN QUEENS

Revert to the standard sign with "via Northern Blvd" once in Nassau.

[East New York]

But if the MTA is running LIB (or at least it will be until January 2012), all it's doing is competing with itself.

 

That doesn't matter. LIB serves Nassau county, and cannot operate within the city limits open door. Same for NYCT/MTABC. Neither of those agencies can operate within Nassau County open door.

 

This way they are NOT competing with each other. That's the whole reason for it being set up the way it is.

[Q43LTD]

You know, some drivers could disable the stop requested bell while in Queens

[Joel Up Front]

And it just so happens that when buses from LI enter the city, the agency that has jurisdiction over the city is another agency. Either way, I like the no pickups that aren't in Nassau rule. It speeds up the trip for already long routes like the N4 and 6.

[Amtrak7]

You know, some drivers could disable the stop requested bell while in Queens

 

That would lead to people trying the (disabled) bell and breaking the cord/sensor or screaming at the driver.

 

But isn't the policy worthless going eastbound as the driver must still stop at any shared NYCT/LIB stop even if the passenger is intending to board an NYCT bus, as the driver doesn't know what the passenger wants?

[Q43LTD]

That would lead to people trying the (disabled) bell and breaking the cord/sensor or screaming at the driver.

 

But isn't the policy worthless going eastbound as the driver must still stop at any shared NYCT/LIB stop even if the passenger is intending to board an NYCT bus, as the driver doesn't know what the passenger wants?

The passenger could ask, "do you stop at______" and the driver could say no. Some stops aren't shared with NYCT and LIB anymore.