SoSpectacular Posted July 30, 2011 Share #51 Posted July 30, 2011 The American dream is dead The middle class is ruined. A homeowner/car owner with a wife/husband and two/three kids? HAH!! Not in this lifetime!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68 Subway Car Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share #52 Posted July 30, 2011 Here is a chart and article which proves how much corporations has been attacked: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/14/business/global/14yen.html?_r=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted July 30, 2011 Share #53 Posted July 30, 2011 They need to do away with the corporate tax rate because that plan has not been working at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 30, 2011 Share #54 Posted July 30, 2011 @Subway Guy..... I'm going to answer your post for most of the rich that came from nothing! TAX US PLEASE! We don't mind doing our part at all!!! I think you and I clearly have a different understanding of the definition humble, so let me clarify. I certainly was not referring to these guys having an upbringing that's anywhere near anything but f*cked up AND poor. The term can also mean modest, which is clearly what you understood, but I wasn't using it that way, as it has other meanings as well (i.e. low in rank, status, importance, etc.) I'm sorry if this pisses you, but you and I know it's true. There are folks who are brought up in money and thus are used to having it and those who come into money that grew up with nothing. Kind of relates to the saying "You can paint a pig with lipstick, but it's still a pig". lol Many of those athletes don't have a clue about economics. They run around playing basketball or football or whatever and when their career is over and they actually have to start living off of their money they don't know how to because they know nothing about making their money work for them. It's obvious that plenty of people come into money and don't know a thing about it, or how to maintain it. But it's not just athletes. They are just the ones you see on TV and in the news. I'm not sure what that has to do with any of this though.... To Subway Guy: I'll be willing to address you when you stop assuming that those of us defending not overtaxing the rich believe that the rich do X Y and Z. I never said anything about the rich creating tons of jobs. What I said was the gov't overspends and wastes and I gave the example of Borough President Molinaro spending 700k for a fish tank to be on display at the Staten Island Terminal. This is the type of waste that I'm talking about and if you don't think that is waste then I'd like to hear your definition of it. That's money that could be used for educational purposes. That's the type of waste that must be CUT and why the rich AND anyone else for that matter don't need their taxes raised. There is plenty of fat to be cut before we go talking about cutting core necessities like education, etc. and you should certainly know that, unless you're in denial about our government wasting our tax dollars foolishly. Lets get into this..... Do you have money? Are you rich? Because if you aren't your opinions as to why they shouldn't pay more are of great interest to me! Sure there is plenty of fat to be cut from all over. But I want YOU to tell ME why I DON'T need MY taxes raised to help out my fellow citizens....... Or better yet, when will people realize that the more they give, the more they receive..... Who are any of us to be the judge or the jury on how much someone should earn? It's called life and life isn't fair, especially in a capitalist society. You want fairness? Maybe you should look at Cuba and their wonderful ideology for spreading the wealth and then see what you think of their "equal" economic society where 90% of the people live in slums. Driving around in cars from 1950's doesn't exactly impress me. You can't remember anything great about them because you're too busy calling for them to be overtaxed so that you can "settle" the score with them because they earn more than you think they should. I didn't know that there was a cap to what someone could earn in this country, but you clearly think so. Well............. I don't know about you, but my family has a nice amount of hard earned money. I don't really care how much money anyone other than myself makes. I'm sure most of them fell the same way I do. My thing is this. TAX US! The only people who ARE rich, and bitch and moan about taxes are the ones that are up to no good. Period! You act is if we should be handing over our entire paychecks to Uncle Sam because there is so little money for the government to take care of the American people. Please. That is such BS. There is plenty of money for the government to use. The problem is they use it for the wrong things and until you acknowledge that you'll keep harping on taxing the rich and this class and that class to make up for the government's addiction to taxpayer dollars. Funny how everytime I speak the truth you resort to the low blows. LOL I think it's hilarious because the truth hurts and you know what I'm saying is true. What I can't understand is why can't you just live and let live? If you were poor then I could understand your pent up anger, but you seem to be living quite fine, so who gives a flying f*ck if the rich have more money in their pockets? Your outrage should be at the government and not at a class of your follow Americans because the government is supposed to here to care for us, not rob us of every damn cent we earn in income because they can't manage our tax dollars accordingly. You want redistribution of wealth? Go tell your local representatives to stop spending like drunken sailors. Uh..... That shit you speak at times may be the truth, but it's for damn sure NOT reality! My gripe is with the super rich that are greedy, AND the government. I'm sure that's the point he was making as well. Our "representatives" in government have been spending like drunken sailors because of failed Bush policies which were all designed to drive a wedge between the rich and the poor, while moving forward with The New World Order as planned. Mr. Garibaldi 8, if you have "money" like you let on to, then you know damn well you can afford your taxes to be raised! One of my best friends is a very conservative Republican, and he makes a great deal of money. But that's all he talks about, and all he lives for. So if you don't have money, you don't have a spot in his circle basically. It's really sad! It's called greed! Yeah, God forbid anybody watches Fox News. They are automatically airheads. I for one can watch various news sources and still make an educational conclusion. You on the other hand are blinded by the Democratic BS that they're really for the middle class, which couldn't be any further from the truth. We need to get rid of the Republicans and the Democrats and start from scratch, because both parties are worthless. :tdown: I don't think both parties are worthless. They do serve a purpose. I happen to be a member of neither any longer (Independent) , but that's neither here nor there. The fundamental roots Dems and Reps balance things out... It's quite complicated actually. But it is a fact that more Dems are on the side of the middle class than not. You know that just as well as anyone else! Most but not all Reps are just out for themselves! As far as the news goes, I read USA Today, The NY Times, and The Wall Street Journal religiously! I also watch NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, Fox News and Fox Business on the regular. You can't just watch one or the other and be able to for an objective opinion. News Corp/Fox isn't all that bad at times. But they are heading toward the tabloid category in some areas. They are very good at passing off opinion as fact based news! And even better at making lies appear to be truths..... But hey, that's just my observation.... No, I'm emblematic of a system in which everyone that can take care of themselves does and stops looking for handouts. True, people do need to start working harder and not milking the system for handouts, but there are people who's very survival rely on a few handouts! I'm sorry but overtaxation on one group of people is not my idea of sharing taxes, but that's clearly what you think the sharing of taxes is. More than 60% of the REAL rich have wrote letters, made phone calls to Congressman, given interviews, and openly talked about being more than willing to be taxed as they were during the Clinton administration! Gates, Oprah, Sam Walton, thousands of actors, athletes, politicians, and thousands of average Joe business owners have all said take the money! We don't NEED it! We just want it! Over-taxation is needed right now to speed up the recovery of the economy! You know it just like we do! Your arguments don't prove anything to the contrary. We need to get tough on "Buy America" and bring jobs back to our shorelines. Stop loopholes, and make the big corporations pay more taxed like they should. The Banks are a whole different issue because they make the world go round.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #55 Posted July 31, 2011 TAX US PLEASE! We don't mind doing our part at all!!! LOL... That certainly doesn't sound like capitalism to me. More like communism. I'm sorry but I don't care how much one makes. They should be able to retain as much as of their paycheck as possible, and the government should be doing everything possible to make every cent count. More than 60% of the REAL rich have wrote letters, made phone calls to Congressman, given interviews, and openly talked about being more than willing to be taxed as they were during the Clinton administration! Gates, Oprah, Sam Walton, thousands of actors, athletes, politicians, and thousands of average Joe business owners have all said take the money! We don't NEED it! We just want it! Well that's why there's something called DONATING. If they want to give their money away, good for them, but they shouldn't speak for everyone. Over-taxation is needed right now to speed up the recovery of the economy! You know it just like we do! Your arguments don't prove anything to the contrary. They most certainly do. Your buddy Obama even realized that and gave tax breaks, meager as they were... Aside from that who in the heck are we supposed to be taxing with millions of people out of work??? Your proposal is nothing more than legal robbery. Even some of the rich are struggling and have had to cut back or have had to claim bankruptcy, so it's not as peachy of a picture as you're trying to paint it. We need to get tough on "Buy America" and bring jobs back to our shorelines. Stop loopholes, and make the big corporations pay more taxed like they should. We got tough on American corporations and they left and went overseas. While I agree that we need to get tough on "Buy America", as I am a big protectionist, I disagree on American corporations being forced to pay more in taxes UNLESS they are shifting their production overseas. There are plenty of American companies that are committed to the "Made in USA" doctrine and they are struggling to make a profit because they are being killed in taxes. If they are committed to doing business on American shores then they should be rewarded by way of tax breaks. These same corporations often do good deeds for the surrounding communities by way of donations and other things that often aren't talked about in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted July 31, 2011 Share #56 Posted July 31, 2011 They need to lower (or kill) the corporate tax rate so more businesses are enticed towards coming back to the states We need to see less of this And more of the wealth spread around if we want a strong middle class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #57 Posted July 31, 2011 We should adopt Iceland's model, shut all banks, and open new ones. That will shut up the Wall Street losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #58 Posted July 31, 2011 They need to lower (or kill) the corporate tax rate so more businesses are enticed towards coming back to the states And more of the wealth spread around if we want a strong middle class More communism is that it??? :tdown: :mad: We should adopt Iceland's model, shut all banks, and open new ones. That will shut up the Wall Street losers. I'm sorry, but in this country we reward hard work by way of bonuses and wage increases and your idea would punish those for earning more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted July 31, 2011 Share #59 Posted July 31, 2011 No, our middle class is horribly weak, people are out there working two jobs just to make ends meet, it shouldn't have to be that way. Nobody should be struggling like they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #60 Posted July 31, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #61 Posted July 31, 2011 The Wall Street Journal is a newspaper that would write an article that would have a title like this "America's Middle Class Isn't Dying". Boy I can't wait to see that happen that would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #62 Posted July 31, 2011 I'm not even gonna get to the ignorance that you spewed out in your response earlier, but really, communism? Are you that dumb? What would you call "spreading around the wealth"?? I'm sure you would have no problem with everyone earning the same amount of money... B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #63 Posted July 31, 2011 Via Garibaldi 8. You sound like a Middle Class man defending the Upper (Rich) Class from their actions. To me you sound like a Upper Class Wannabe, but you are stuck in the Middle Class. I want you to rethink your actions, because the Upper Class doesn't really prefer you. They just see you as someone they can crush. As you said you are in the Middle Class so there is just a chance you can never be like them. You should defend your own class the class that is getting squished by the people you are defending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #64 Posted July 31, 2011 Via Garibaldi 8. You sound like a Middle Class man defending the Upper (Rich) Class from their actions. To me you sound like a Upper Class Wannabe, but you are stuck in the Middle Class. I want you to rethink your actions, because the Upper Class doesn't really prefer you. They just see you as someone they can crush. As you said you are in the Middle Class so there is just a chance you can never be like them. You should defend your own class the class that is getting squished by the people you are defending. LOL... What I am opposed to is OVERTAXATION of ALL classes. That's what you're not getting. This is about the gov't and their obsession with spending, not about the rich or any of the middle classes. I don't want to be like anybody. I am perfectly fine where I am. The problem is the envy that others have of those with more. East New York asked me if I could afford to pay more in taxes and my response to that is that I am already paying robbed in taxes as a single professional so how much more must the gov't steal from me to give to those with less?? The only difference between me and the rich folks is that they have more money than I do, but we're both being overtaxed and that I do have a problem with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 31, 2011 Share #65 Posted July 31, 2011 More communism is that it??? :tdown: :mad: More? When did we have any to begin with? And I'd love a legit reason for what's wrong with a system where every person benefits if they put in the work that they should. Even if we're "spreading the wealth" whose to say it means they're not earning what they're given in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #66 Posted July 31, 2011 More? When did we have any to begin with? And I'd love a legit reason for what's wrong with a system where every person benefits if they put in the work that they should. Even if we're "spreading the wealth" whose to say it means they're not earning what they're given in the first place? Spreading the wealth is a pretty good example of communism by trying to redistribute wealth through taxes. The thing is that man has always lived in a way in which the strongest were the most successful since the beginning of time and that's the way that it should be in terms of earning money. It's interesting that the communist countries have historically been the poorest countries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 31, 2011 Share #67 Posted July 31, 2011 Spreading the wealth is a pretty good example of communism by trying to redistribute wealth through taxes. The thing is that man has always lived in a way in which the strongest were the most successful since the beginning of time and that's the way that it should be in terms of earning money. It's interesting that the communist countries have historically been the poorest countries... My knowledge of politics doesn't stretch far enough to really go to an amazing distance, but I always heard that description associated with Socialism. I'm not ok with redistribution of wealth through taxes. Since I have to pay that crap outta my own paycheck I want to see it being used in way that makes me think the country is prospering. For instance all this money Albany seems to be bleeding out of the city needs to come back this way in the form of a better funded transit system and infrastructure. I don't really see any sharing the wealth among anyone but those who already have it. And I seriously don't believe the government is going to just hand the lower class a single dime after taxing the rich just because of the past decade of occurrences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted July 31, 2011 Share #68 Posted July 31, 2011 The cost of living keeps going up, jobs are harder to come by, and they pay shit wages for the work people put in, most of the time there's hardly any room to rise through the ranks. We as a people are simply oppressed, no I don't want free money just better compensation for the stuff we all go through, I'm 21, I shouldn't be living with or off my parents still, but hey that's how it is I know a LOT of people that want or could use a little independence but there's no opportunity at all because we alllll get screwed by the man so we stay at the bottom, sure I go to school but it's gonna take me a while to become a pro graphic artist but it's whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 31, 2011 Share #69 Posted July 31, 2011 all the morons crying communism don't even know what the f*ck it is. read up on a basic introduction to what "communism" is before declaring that asking the rich to pay their share is, in fact, communism. To Subway Guy: I'll be willing to address you when you stop assuming that those of us defending not overtaxing the rich believe that the rich do X Y and Z. I never said anything about the rich creating tons of jobs. What I said was the gov't overspends and wastes and I gave the example of Borough President Molinaro spending 700k for a fish tank to be on display at the Staten Island Terminal. This is the type of waste that I'm talking about and if you don't think that is waste then I'd like to hear your definition of it. That's money that could be used for educational purposes. That's the type of waste that must be CUT and why the rich AND anyone else for that matter don't need their taxes raised. There is plenty of fat to be cut before we go talking about cutting core necessities like education, etc. and you should certainly know that, unless you're in denial about our government wasting our tax dollars foolishly. Congratulations...you've hand picked a drop-in-the-bucket item just like the media does (never mind that the item you picked doesn't come out of the FEDERAL budget...but we'll go with it...) and cut $700,000. Now where's the other 14,293,999,300,000 going to come from??? TAX the RICH... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #70 Posted July 31, 2011 This is an excerpt from a news article that proves my point. Apple Has More Money On Hand Than The US Government With news that the United States Treasury could default on Monday if the Democrats and Republicans in Washington, DC don’t compromise and raise the debt limit, it has been revealed that Apple — the manufacturer of the iPod and the iPad — has more money on hand than the United States Treasury. The US Treasury currently has a balance of just under $73.8 billion in cash and securities, but when you compare that to Steve Jobs’ Apple, it has a 3% advantage on the US Government with $76.2 billion in cash and marketable securities on hand, according to June statements. http://www.etidbits.com/apple-has-more-money-on-hand-than-the-us-government=6151 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 31, 2011 Share #71 Posted July 31, 2011 Yeah thing is Apple, in my opinion, got that money from producing what I think a kickass line of products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted July 31, 2011 Share #72 Posted July 31, 2011 To complete your sentence: In China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 31, 2011 Share #73 Posted July 31, 2011 Yeah thing is Apple, in my opinion, got that money from producing what I think a kickass line of products. except all that shit is made in china, so it automatically sucks, and explains why ipods seem to break every 3 years when used frequently. also why i'll never buy one again. i don't really need to listen to music at all hours of the day anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 31, 2011 Share #74 Posted July 31, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 31, 2011 Share #75 Posted July 31, 2011 except all that shit is made in china, so it automatically sucks, and explains why ipods seem to break every 3 years when used frequently. also why i'll never buy one again. i don't really need to listen to music at all hours of the day anyway I can't say I can disagree with you there. But I do admit I'm a fan of my Iphone. As always you present a strong sensible opinion backed with a multitude of facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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