MTA Bus Operations: Fleet & Depots

[East New York]

Coming this evening:

XE60, and new hybrid overview.

NYCT/MTAB System merger updates.

New Fare Payment updates, and the now pending pilot program.

Post L-Train depot assignments, which are complete for now. 

Major 1st page Tite Post updates. 

[S78 via Hylan]

For the LFS, I did the math, and if the buses are they are being delivered in the order specified on the first page, then the assignments should look something like this:

8504-8567-QV (64)

8568-8644-YU (77)

8645-8694-GH (50)

8695-8754-KB (60)

Note: This is NOT the official assignments. Simply a prediction I made.

Edited February 1, 2019 by S78 via Hylan

[Brillant93]

(61) Jamaica  7484, 7487-7508, 7572   

(43) Mike Quill  7573-7594 

(65) Fresh Pond  7508-7519 

(48) Flatbush  7615-7662 

(54) East New York  7663-7684

So I guess the bumps in XD40s for East New York and Fresh pond is to help deploy older buses to other depots or retirement. Interesting. 

I wonder if its possible that Quill will lose its XD60s and deploy them to FB until they get their full delivery of the newer ones?

Also would the newer LFSA to quill that are arriving in local scheme will replace the older LFSA on the M14? It seems like it will because the M14 is the only bus that has local buses which are articulated.  

[Ultimategamer12c]

Hmmm Iam super shocked with FP that would mean more next gens would be fully pushed out and some more Old gens at that. The order list just keeps getting better and better now lol

[Future ENY OP]

6 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

(61) Jamaica  7484, 7487-7508, 7572   

(43) Mike Quill  7573-7594 

(65) Fresh Pond  7508-7519 

(48) Flatbush  7615-7662 

(54) East New York  7663-7684

So I guess the bumps in XD40s for East New York and Fresh pond is to help deploy older buses to other depots or retirement. Interesting. 

I wonder if its possible that Quill will lose its XD60s and deploy them to FB until they get their full delivery of the newer ones?

Also would the newer LFSA to quill that are arriving in local scheme will replace the older LFSA on the M14? It seems like it will because the M14 is the only bus that has local buses which are articulated.  

Why would MJQ send their old XD60’s to Flatbush and they get the new ones? What u just said doesn’t make sense at all. 

MCH is receiving delivery this month and FB delivery begins in March. 

[Brillant93]

29 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Why would MJQ send their old XD60’s to Flatbush and they get the new ones? What u just said doesn’t make sense at all. 

MCH is receiving delivery this month and FB delivery begins in March. 

I know I was just hypothetically saying. 

[Melbx15]

22 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

newer LFSA to quill that are arriving in local scheme will replace the older LFSA on the M14? 

The newer LFSA are coming in local scheme? I thought they would come SBS to push out the XD60’s and/or if the MTA decided to go along with the M14SBS 

[MysteriousBtrain]

7 minutes ago, Ultimategamer12c said:

Wouldn't it make sense  that ENY dosent take the old gens they pushed out to FP. If they getting 54 units what will happen happen with the current  2004-2005 units they have I did heard eny will be or would send some to MTABC. It just weird seeing FP sending them back to ENY even tho they getting more buses which im guessing would be pushed out as well and not mention them and there rtses retiring. If it's so then I'm happy for FP I'm glad they pushing out old equipment  for new those old gens and next gens need to go and in with the new lol I would expect  MHV or a different  depo to call em up for more next gens and what not.

First and foremost:

The RTS and 03-04 Gen Is are the first to retire and with the cancellation of the shuttle bus for now these buses are to be retired by the end of the year. 

Then if new buses are still coming in by the time all pre-2004 buses are gone we will see some gen IIs retire this year as well.

You also got to note that older buses need to be more spread out to reduce breakdown rates. FP has used nearly 100 Gen II buses ever since they were first delivered and now it seems there are around 90 buses there with more to be moved around later this year. And it's about time these buses start to spread out and be used less.

[Brillant93]

23 minutes ago, Melbx15 said:

The newer LFSA are coming in local scheme? I thought they would come SBS to push out the XD60’s and/or if the MTA decided to go along with the M14SBS 

No local scheme. L train shutdown is cancelled so there’s no need for them to be sbs. Also the M14 sbs is on hold so there’s that. 

[Ultimategamer12c]

45 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

First and foremost:

The RTS and 03-04 Gen Is are the first to retire and with the cancellation of the shuttle bus for now these buses are to be retired by the end of the year. 

Then if new buses are still coming in by the time all pre-2004 buses are gone we will see some gen IIs retire this year as well.

You also got to note that older buses need to be more spread out to reduce breakdown rates. FP has used nearly 100 Gen II buses ever since they were first delivered and now it seems there are around 90 buses there with more to be moved around later this year. And it's about time these buses start to spread out and be used less.

True True 

[Future ENY OP]

3 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

But isn’t ENY suppose to be getting like 53 or 54 of them ?!?! Wouldn’t it make sense to either give them back to MHV or throw them to MTA Bus ?

Agreed. I’d send to Manhattanville. At least I thought what Fresh Pond was doing with some of its buses. Sending to Manhattan and Casey Stengel. Another thing. Every time you turn around Stengel is getting buses from Brooklyn. 

They need to simply get buses from Queens Village and Jamaica to make service and stop getting from Brooklyn. [Thats a DOB thing]. Surely outside my pay grade. 

[JeremiahC99]

4 hours ago, R179 8258 said:

But isn’t ENY suppose to be getting like 53 or 54 of them ?!?! Wouldn’t it make sense to either give them back to MHV or throw them to MTA Bus ?

Well the 54 XD40s are for retirement of the RTS buses. In fact, regarding EN, I have a theory on what I would see happening:

Current roster for EN:

• 1998-99 NovaBus RTS: 40
• 2004-05 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II: 25
• 2006-07 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II+: 54
• 2011-12 New Flyer XD40: 45
• 2014-15 New Flyer XD40: 58
• 2018-19 New Flyer XD40: 26

Total: 248

Using these numbers and the numbers for the revised 2018-19 XD40s, the 40 RTS buses would be replaced by 54 new XD40s, and 8 XD40s would be sent back to FB. 11 2004-05 OG Hybrids would be sent in to fill in for missing buses. This would then happen:

• 2004-05 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II: 36
• 2006-07 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II+: 54
• 2011-12 New Flyer XD40: 45
• 2014-15 New Flyer XD40: 50
• 2018-19 New Flyer XD40: 54

Total: 239

As of now, EN is undergoing modifications for artic buses. This would allow for artic buses to be housed here by 2020. As a result, 17 2016-17 artics (after returning from their temporary assignments) would be added to this depot for the B82+, giving the depot 256 buses. The OG Hybrids would still remain. This would be the roster:

• 2004-05 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II: 36
• 2006-07 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II+: 54
• 2011-12 New Flyer XD40: 45
• 2014-15 New Flyer XD40: 50
• 2018-19 New Flyer XD40: 54
• 2016-17 New Flyer XD60: 17

Total: 256

This should be the final fleet assignments until the 2020-21 XDE40s arrive, which by this time, the remaining OG Hybrids would be ready for retirement.

3 hours ago, Ultimategamer12c said:

Wouldn't it make sense  that ENY dosent take the old gens they pushed out to FP. If they getting 54 units what will happen happen with the current  2004-2005 units they have I did heard eny will be or would send some to MTABC. It just weird seeing FP sending them back to ENY even tho they getting more buses which im guessing would be pushed out as well and not mention them and there rtses retiring. If it's so then I'm happy for FP I'm glad they pushing out old equipment  for new those old gens and next gens need to go and in with the new lol I would expect  MHV or a different  depo to call em up for more next gens and what not.

24 2004-05 OGs were just sent to MTA Bus and 33 2006 OGs will be sent there soon. However, EN should get some back to fill in for buses heading for retirement.

Edited February 2, 2019 by JeremiahC99

[Ultimategamer12c]

 

On 2/2/2019 at 6:47 PM, JeremiahC99 said:

Well the 54 XD40s are for retirement of the RTS buses. In fact, regarding EN, I have a theory on what I would see happening:

Current roster for EN:

• 1998-99 NovaBus RTS: 40
• 2004-05 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II: 25
• 2006-07 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II+: 54
• 2011-12 New Flyer XD40: 45
• 2014-15 New Flyer XD40: 58
• 2018-19 New Flyer XD40: 26

Total: 248

Using these numbers and the numbers for the revised 2018-19 XD40s, the 40 RTS buses would be replaced by 54 new XD40s, and 8 XD40s would be sent back to FB. 11 2004-05 OG Hybrids would be sent in to fill in for missing buses. This would then happen:

• 2004-05 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II: 36
• 2006-07 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II+: 54
• 2011-12 New Flyer XD40: 45
• 2014-15 New Flyer XD40: 50
• 2018-19 New Flyer XD40: 54

Total: 239

As of now, EN is undergoing modifications for artic buses. This would allow for artic buses to be housed here by 2020. As a result, 17 2016-17 artics (after returning from their temporary assignments) would be added to this depot for the B82+, giving the depot 256 buses. The OG Hybrids would still remain. This would be the roster:

• 2004-05 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II: 36
• 2006-07 Orion VII OG HEV Gen-II+: 54
• 2011-12 New Flyer XD40: 45
• 2014-15 New Flyer XD40: 50
• 2018-19 New Flyer XD40: 54
• 2016-17 New Flyer XD60: 17

Total: 256

This should be the final fleet assignments until the 2020-21 XDE40s arrive, which by this time, the remaining OG Hybrids would be ready for retirement.

24 2004-05 OGs were just sent to MTA Bus and 33 2006 OGs will be sent there soon. However, EN should get some back to fill in for buses heading for retirement.

Makes sense now

Edited February 4, 2019 by East New York

[JeremiahC99]

30 minutes ago, Ultimategamer12c said:

 

Makes sense now

That's just a theory on what can happen with the EN depot. 

Also, you don't have to quote posts twice in a single response. Quoting it once would do just fine here.

[Calvin]

On the XD-40s at Flatbush (7304-7351), most of them says "Welcome Aboard". I wonder if they are getting the screens like the LFS/newer XD-40s

[Jdog14]

23 minutes ago, Calvin said:

On the XD-40s at Flatbush (7304-7351), most of them says "Welcome Aboard". I wonder if they are getting the screens like the LFS/newer XD-40s

 

 7315 has a black one similar to the ones in the 2018 XDs and LFS. 

Edited February 3, 2019 by Jdog14

[East New York]

On 2/1/2019 at 5:23 PM, Brillant93 said:

(61) Jamaica  7484, 7487-7508, 7572   

(43) Mike Quill  7573-7594 

(65) Fresh Pond  7508-7519 

(48) Flatbush  7615-7662 

(54) East New York  7663-7684

So I guess the bumps in XD40s for East New York and Fresh pond is to help deploy older buses to other depots or retirement. Interesting. 

I wonder if its possible that Quill will lose its XD60s and deploy them to FB until they get their full delivery of the newer ones?

Also would the newer LFSA to quill that are arriving in local scheme will replace the older LFSA on the M14? It seems like it will because the M14 is the only bus that has local buses which are articulated.  

They aren’t bumps. We have been over all of this multiple times. Depots are simply getting what they would have gotten post L train, with the exception of West Farms, which originally would have had enough buses, but due to other reason and the fact that they decided to make the 6 local articulated, they need more buses in the meanwhile. 

FB getting Quills artics makes absolutely no sense. Especially after we have discussed what’s going on anytime there is an update. 

You answered the last question in your own statement...... That’s the only logical answer along with the M35 isn’t it?

Lets not start with the speculation and a million questions. Let’s just READ and wait. A lot of you are not reading or keeping up with what’s going on. That what the first page of this thread along with my regular updates are for. 

6 hours ago, Melbx15 said:

The newer LFSA are coming in local scheme? I thought they would come SBS to push out the XD60’s and/or if the MTA decided to go along with the M14SBS 

They were always planned to come in local scheme but have SBS pain under them anyway. Just like all the XN60’s.

[XcelsiorBoii4888]

Can't wait to hear about this new payment method. LONG OVERDUE! Can't wait to go home and start using it on the Staten Island express buses. 

[Kingjunior34]

Off topic but when most Brooklyn depots like Eny ,Grand , Jackie Gleason*, Flatbush*, (fresh pond and ulmer park if they are becoming  Arctic depots ) are more Brooklyn routes going to become articulated ? if so which routes would use artics  

[Future ENY OP]

18 minutes ago, Kingjunior34 said:

Off topic but when most Brooklyn depots like Eny ,Grand , Jackie Gleason*, Flatbush*, (fresh pond and ulmer park if they are becoming  Arctic depots ) are more Brooklyn routes going to become articulated ? if so which routes would use artics  

Ulmer Park: B6

ENY: B15, B82

GA: B38, Q58 (GA is artic ready). 

FP:  No clue. 

Gleason and Flatbush. Routes are self explanatory. 

[Kingjunior34]

7 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Ulmer Park: B6

ENY: B15, B82

GA: B38, Q58 (GA is artic ready). 

FP:  No clue. 

Gleason and Flatbush. Routes are self explanatory. 

Yeah we all know those routes but like other side routes like how queens,Bronx,Manhattan have thier side routes that’s not a main route but is still articulated 

[T J Trainman]

FP cannot fit artics. 

[Future ENY OP]

1 hour ago, T J Trainman said:

FP cannot fit artics. 

Yes. That is correct. 

With an extensive re-construction of Fresh Pond than it could happen. However,  real estate construction really sucks especially in the Brooklyn Division

[JeremiahC99]

30 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Yes. That is correct. 

With an extensive re-construction of Fresh Pond than it could happen. However,  real estate construction really sucks especially in the Brooklyn Division

Well there’s also another problem: the Depot is sandwiched by the Fresh Pond Road  station to the south, the Fresh Pond subway Yard behind the Depot, and several homes to the north, with a few shops in front of it. As a result, building outward may not be ideal without disrupting /  and  service for some signicant amount of time, or permanently acquiring property for expansion, or even worse, giving up all or part of the Fresh Pond Subway yard entirely. Looks like for renovation, they got nowhere to go but up, as in, build another floor of the Depot to accommodate articulated buses. Have they ever considered doing that?

Edited February 3, 2019 by JeremiahC99

[Brillant93]

4 hours ago, Kingjunior34 said:

Yeah we all know those routes but like other side routes like how queens,Bronx,Manhattan have thier side routes that’s not a main route but is still articulated 

Not sure what you mean. Like routes that doesn’t have high ridership but is articulated?