East New York Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share #2976 Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, IAlam said: I'm definitely interested in seeing the performance of an all-electric coach demo. I also heard Tesla was going to release all their patents for anyone to use, so I wonder if manufacturers will take advantage of that. They already released it. I’m waiting on my copies now! I can’t wait to dive into all that info. 6 hours ago, Chris Alleyne said: So is MTS actually dead or just inactive? Was Orion making an electric bus when they were still around? Inactive. They are technically still open. Yes Orion was. It’s a shame they were only months away from a public launch of the Orion IX and Orion X Artic. Electric was going to be a focus for those platforms. If anyone wants to take a travel back in time to when we didn’t have as many users and I was just coming onboard as a staff member full time, check the link below. This is how I used to post new program information all the time. Now, if I post it seems as if most people ask all the same questions 2 days later lol. Edited February 7, 2019 by East New York 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted February 8, 2019 Share #2977 Posted February 8, 2019 6 hours ago, East New York said: If anyone wants to take a travel back in time to when we didn’t have as many users and I was just coming onboard as a staff member full time, check the link below. This is how I used to post new program information all the time. Now, if I post it seems as if most people ask all the same questions 2 days later lol. 2 Any reason why MTA gave Orion so many contracts in the after 2002-2003 New Flyer D60hf's? It just feels like MTA went on a spree from 2003-2010 ordering solely Orion and at the tail end some Nova as well. New Flyer dominates the market now though. Is there a specific reason why Orion folded esp. after MTA gave them so much business? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 8, 2019 Share #2978 Posted February 8, 2019 28 minutes ago, danielhg121 said: Any reason why MTA gave Orion so many contracts in the after 2002-2003 New Flyer D60hf's? It just feels like MTA went on a spree from 2003-2010 ordering solely Orion and at the tail end some Nova as well. New Flyer dominates the market now though. Is there a specific reason why Orion folded esp. after MTA gave them so much business? Most likely with the problems with new flyer back then plus RTS being more or less uncommon and NovaBus being out of the US market at the time. And plus at the time the main focus was Hybrid Electric buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 8, 2019 Share #2979 Posted February 8, 2019 MTA and NFI had an falling out over an D60HF order in the early 2000s, I think NFI didn't want to make HF buses anymore when the MTA wanted more D60HF or something like that. It was crazy because prior to the C40's/4800s being ordered ppl said the MTA would never buy NF buses again, yet here we are in 2019 and the bus fleet of full of NF buses. I wonder why the MTA stopped buying the Orion V even though Orion offered it well into the late 2000s... Bee line has Orion V's built in the mid to late 2000s. Its funny as even though they were the same model, the 06 BL Orions and MTA 6000s Orions felt like completely different buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion6025 Posted February 8, 2019 Share #2980 Posted February 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: I wonder why the MTA stopped buying the Orion V even though Orion offered it well into the late 2000s... Bee line has Orion V's built in the mid to late 2000s. Its funny as even though they were the same model, the 06 BL Orions and MTA 6000s Orions felt like completely different buses. Likely had to do with them wanting hybrid buses, coupled with the fact that orion was building hybrid 5s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted February 8, 2019 Share #2981 Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, trainfan22 said: MTA and NFI had an falling out over an D60HF order in the early 2000s, I think NFI didn't want to make HF buses anymore when the MTA wanted more D60HF or something like that. It was crazy because prior to the C40's/4800s being ordered ppl said the MTA would never buy NF buses again, yet here we are in 2019 and the bus fleet of full of NF buses. I wonder why the MTA stopped buying the Orion V even though Orion offered it well into the late 2000s... Bee line has Orion V's built in the mid to late 2000s. Its funny as even though they were the same model, the 06 BL Orions and MTA 6000s Orions felt like completely different buses. 45% of the fleet is consist of NF buses (11-15, 185-810, 1000-1109+, 4710-4799, 4810-4899, 5364-5438, 5603-5768-, 5987-6286, 7090-7875+, 9500-9509) 20% are Novas (1200-1289, 4900-5249-, 5253-5363, 5439-5602, 5770-5986, 8000-8754) 15% are Orions (3500-3783, 3800-4278, 4330-4702, 6365-6905-, 7000-7089) 10% are MCIs (2210-2303 (-1), 3000-3474 (-5), 4300-4329 (-1)) 5% are Prevost (2400-2789) Proterras account for just 0.1% Edited February 8, 2019 by FLX9304 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 8, 2019 Share #2982 Posted February 8, 2019 20 hours ago, trainfan22 said: MTA and NFI had an falling out over an D60HF order in the early 2000s, I think NFI didn't want to make HF buses anymore when the MTA wanted more D60HF or something like that. It was crazy because prior to the C40's/4800s being ordered ppl said the MTA would never buy NF buses again, yet here we are in 2019 and the bus fleet of full of NF buses. I wonder why the MTA stopped buying the Orion V even though Orion offered it well into the late 2000s... Bee line has Orion V's built in the mid to late 2000s. Its funny as even though they were the same model, the 06 BL Orions and MTA 6000s Orions felt like completely different buses. Kind of. New Flyer wanted MTA to go towards the LF platform but MTA wanted more HFs, some of which would've been in Queens for the Q44 in the mid-to-late 2000s. The other part of the falling out occurred when Minneapolis was getting D60HF orders for Metro Transit as far as 2007. It took a long time for that relationship to get back to middle ground. As for why the MTA stopped ordering Orion Vs, some of that had to do with politics at the time, especially when NYC politicians were trying to tout NYC as the city with the largest low-floor hybrid fleet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 12, 2019 Share #2983 Posted February 12, 2019 Does anyone know if RTS 5209 is still active? Whenever I try to look for it on the tracker app its never in service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted February 12, 2019 Share #2984 Posted February 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: Does anyone know if RTS 5209 is still active? Whenever I try to look for it on the tracker app its never in service. Still running, in service on Utica right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 12, 2019 Share #2985 Posted February 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: Does anyone know if RTS 5209 is still active? Whenever I try to look for it on the tracker app its never in service. 1 minute ago, MHV9218 said: Still running, in service on Utica right now. It's likely that the tracker is offline/taken out 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2986 Posted February 14, 2019 XN60s 1016-1020. Whats in SBS and what's in regular wrap?? I'm guessing 1016-1017 are SBS and 1018-1020 are local? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoBrickBreaker101 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2987 Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: XN60s 1016-1020. Whats in SBS and what's in regular wrap?? I'm guessing 1016-1017 are SBS and 1018-1020 are local? They should all be local. Only #1000-1015 are for the Bx6 SBS 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2988 Posted February 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said: They should all be local. Only #1000-1015 are for the Bx6 SBS But they have an LFSA and 1072 as oddballs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2989 Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: But they have an LFSA and 1072 as oddballs. They may be wrapped later but right now it's all local schemes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoBrickBreaker101 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2990 Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: But they have an LFSA and 1072 as oddballs. The LFSA is pretty much on all the other artic routes regularly or will most likely head out to another depot, and #1072 is supposed to go to Jackie Gleason 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2991 Posted February 14, 2019 9 hours ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said: The LFSA is pretty much on all the other artic routes regularly or will most likely head out to another depot, and #1072 is supposed to go to Jackie Gleason Jackie Gleason has 1031 which is suppose to be at West Farms 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion6025 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2992 Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Chris Alleyne said: TBH, I never saw the point of having the XN60 order. The B35, Bx36, and Bx6/SBS get crowded, articulateds were needed to help alleviate the crowding... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2993 Posted February 14, 2019 The Bx36 and Bx6 didn’t necessarily need Xn60s to become artics. West Farms had other non cng artics. The XN60s for WF was needed to retire their Orion’s thus converting the Bx6 and 36 to artic routes. I believe the BX36 won’t be artic until the spring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2994 Posted February 14, 2019 Im pretty sure that before it was decided to go with a 100% electric fleet there were plans to make WF 100% CNG. And just like JG it's a lot cheaper to maintain one type of fuel/energy source and is also the reason we are heading for a 100% electric fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2995 Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Im pretty sure that before it was decided to go with a 100% electric fleet there were plans to make WF 100% CNG. And just like JG it's a lot cheaper to maintain one type of fuel/energy source and is also the reason we are heading for a 100% electric fleet. Yeah that was the case and those XN60s were to push out those diesel artics (correct me if I’m wrong). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoBrickBreaker101 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2996 Posted February 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, Brillant93 said: Yeah that was the case and those XN60s were to push out those diesel artics (correct me if I’m wrong). The XN60s weren't supposed to push out the diesel artics, just retire the Orion CNGs 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2997 Posted February 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said: The XN60s weren't supposed to push out the diesel artics, just retire the Orion CNGs That’s what I said earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2998 Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, LegoBrickBreaker101 said: The XN60s weren't supposed to push out the diesel artics, just retire the Orion CNGs Apparently WF just received more XD40’s. The TA needs an option order for more XN40’s for West Farms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 14, 2019 Share #2999 Posted February 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said: Apparently WF just received more XD40’s. The TA needs an option order for more XN40’s for West Farms. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. Option orders are created during the RFP and contract creating process, and in the XN40 contract, there were no option orders for it. XD40s to WF isn't a bad thing at the moment. With the L shuttles being cancelled, we'd technically have a lot of spare buses around, and sending those would be a safety blanket, since they are brand new. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted February 14, 2019 Share #3000 Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said: Apparently WF just received more XD40’s. The TA needs an option order for more XN40’s for West Farms. West Farms actually needed one more bus to complete its allotment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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