Lil 57 Posted May 10, 2019 Share #3776 Posted May 10, 2019 Did the govern their buses back to 45 mph? was on a new LFS on the S89 and it reached 45 mph on Richmond Ave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 11, 2019 Share #3777 Posted May 11, 2019 9 hours ago, happy283 said: First off kingsbridge, Gun Hill, Ulmer Park, Grand Av, Flatbush, Tuskeege Airmen and Jamaica don't need them which leaves Queens Village, East New York, Fresh Pond, Clara Hale, Quill and Manhattanville 77 - Manhattanville 25 - Quill 33 - Clara Hale 25 - ENY 60 - QV 55 - FP You are under the impression that every single bus in this order are for direct replacement of the Orion VII OGs, which by the way, that is NOT how these orders go. Just because these buses are set to replace the last set of Orion VII OG Hybrids doesn't mean that the depots that have them are getting exact new buses in return. Every single order we have had in the past has had a batch of buses going to a depot that does not have the fleet those buses are to replace. For example, the 5987-6125 buses were meant to directly replace the 2002-03 New FLyer D60HF buses. Casey Stengel did not have D60HFs at that time, but they ended up getting a batch of 43 XD60s. Those XD60s then went to Quill Depot to replace the D60s there. This shows that potential deliveries can end up anywhere, even if that depot does not have that bus that is being replaced. Another factor in the bus assignments is ulterior motive for the depots. It currently appears that the MTA wants Gun Hill and Kingsbridge in the Bronx Division to be be all or mostly LFS and LFSAs and all of Brooklyn Division to be mostly Xcelsiors (the Orion VII hybrids would still be a part of the Brooklyn Fleet). Therefore, having Gun Hill and Kingsbridge on the list would guarantee the last of the hybrids leave the Bronx for Brooklyn, replacing the 2005-06 Orion VIIs at Fresh Pond Depot. In addition, the order would also be a possibly split between New Flyer and Nova. Nova can get up to 110 units, which will operate in depots in Queens and the Bronx. Therefore, Gun Hill and Kingsbridge would need those LFS HEVS Nova has up for grabs, making Gun Hill and Kingsbridge getting this order inevitable. Things can change at the moment, but as @Future ENY OP said, let the Department of Buses make the decisions on where the buses will go. Only they have the final say on which buses go where, and it is not within our control. Who knows? Maybe they will replace Jamaica Depot with Casey Stengel Depot on the deployment list once they get ready to rebuild that depot, even is Casey Stengel does not have any buses to replace. If they go to a depot that you feel doesn't need them, then sorry. That's how it is in Department of Buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 11, 2019 Share #3778 Posted May 11, 2019 10 hours ago, happy283 said: First off kingsbridge, Gun Hill, Ulmer Park, Grand Av, Flatbush, Tuskeege Airmen and Jamaica dont need them which leaves Queens Village, East New York, Fresh Pond, Clara Hale, Quill and Manhattanville 77 - Manhattanville 25 - Quill 33 - Clara Hale 25 - ENY 60 - QV 55 - FP @JeremiahC99's list of depots is correct and was confirmed by East New York previously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted May 11, 2019 Share #3779 Posted May 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Around the Horn said: @JeremiahC99's list of depots is correct and was confirmed by East New York previously. He said potentially. It seems unlikely that each depot only gets 10-20 each. Usually buses are delivered in higher numbers especially when certain depots haven't got a fleet update in years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted May 11, 2019 Share #3780 Posted May 11, 2019 Smfh. How much space you going to waste? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 12, 2019 Share #3781 Posted May 12, 2019 11 hours ago, happy283 said: He said potentially. It seems unlikely that each depot only gets 10-20 each. Usually buses are delivered in higher numbers especially when certain depots haven't got a fleet update in years. Most depots getting only 10-20 buses in a large order is possible. Not to mention that the contract explicitly said that they would operate in depots in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan. On page 198 of the January 2019 NYCT committee materials (link here: http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190122_1030_transit-bus.pdf), it said "The 275 next-generation diesel-electric hybrid buses will operate out of depots in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan". This order would also potentially be split between New Flyer and Nova, with 165 XDE40s for Brooklyn and Manhattan and 110 LFS HEVs for the Bronx and Queens. It also looks like GH and KB are planning to be all LFS under the split option. Whether that goes down or not, Gun Hill, Kingsbridge, Tuskegee Airmen, and all the other depots that you you believe don't need this order getting it is inevitable. Also, I recommend you read the post below to see what you missed on the 275 diesel-electric hybrid development: 6 hours ago, T J Trainman said: Smfh. How much space you going to waste? No offense, but are you talking to me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted May 12, 2019 Share #3782 Posted May 12, 2019 21 hours ago, Orion6025 said: 6153 6155 MQ. 6103 6113 MQ-FB 0020's finally back from the proterra factory too maybe it'll enter service this time if we're lucky At least FB is getting something back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted May 12, 2019 Share #3783 Posted May 12, 2019 On 5/10/2019 at 7:51 PM, Lil 57 said: Did the govern their buses back to 45 mph? was on a new LFS on the S89 and it reached 45 mph on Richmond Ave. It might just be the blue-and-yellow LFS buses (except for 8231, which is still capped at 50 mph). I thought those buses were capped at 43 mph, but yes, they are capped a little higher and it just might be a Yukon thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted May 12, 2019 Share #3784 Posted May 12, 2019 Jeremiah no offense taken, but yeah I was talking to you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted May 12, 2019 Share #3785 Posted May 12, 2019 More a curiosity post, starting with buses ordered 1953 and later: 1. Which numbers have never been used or allocated by the MTA for bus numbers? (Off the top of my head, I can identify 1859, 6956-6999 and 7938-7999.) 2. Which numbers (or group of numbers) was used the latest for the first time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3786 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, T J Trainman said: Jeremiah no offense taken, but yeah I was talking to you. The hell did I do? I just made a too large of a response to a post. I didn’t mean to cause any problems. Edited May 13, 2019 by JeremiahC99 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3787 Posted May 13, 2019 Nevermind forget it. Carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3788 Posted May 13, 2019 On 5/11/2019 at 10:40 PM, JeremiahC99 said: Most depots getting only 10-20 buses in a large order is possible. Not to mention that the contract explicitly said that they would operate in depots in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan. On page 198 of the January 2019 NYCT committee materials (link here: http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/190122_1030_transit-bus.pdf), it said "The 275 next-generation diesel-electric hybrid buses will operate out of depots in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Manhattan". This order would also potentially be split between New Flyer and Nova, with 165 XDE40s for Brooklyn and Manhattan and 110 LFS HEVs for the Bronx and Queens. It also looks like GH and KB are planning to be all LFS under the split option. Whether that goes down or not, Gun Hill, Kingsbridge, Tuskegee Airmen, and all the other depots that you you believe don't need this order getting it is inevitable. Also, I recommend you read the post below to see what you missed on the 275 diesel-electric hybrid development: No offense, but are you talking to me? You are forgetting something here. The 275 bus order you see here are to replace the next order of O7HYB in the 6490-6905 category. They are the next oldest buses after the first round of O7HYB-Green signage (6365-6489), in which is getting replaced as we speak. Those in orange are close to 15 years old mind you. A few of these buses have been scrapped due to accidents (6536, 6853). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3789 Posted May 13, 2019 17 hours ago, aemoreira81 said: More a curiosity post, starting with buses ordered 1953 and later: 1. Which numbers have never been used or allocated by the MTA for bus numbers? (Off the top of my head, I can identify 1859, 6956-6999 and 7938-7999.) 2. Which numbers (or group of numbers) was used the latest for the first time? You forgot 2931-2999 (although 2969 is used for The Honeymooners show), 8568-8580, 8583-8599 are now used for the very first time. 8705-8749 was last used on the TDH-5303A of the 1967 order. 3475-3499 was last used on the 1984 RTS order as well as 3784-3799. 4279-4299 have not been use on the NYCTA roster but used on the MTABC roster for a very short time. Thats all I can think of.......... for now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3790 Posted May 13, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, FLX9304 said: You forgot 2931-2999 (although 2969 is used for The Honeymooners show), 8568-8580, 8583-8599 are now used for the very first time. 8705-8749 was last used on the TDH-5303A of the 1967 order. 3475-3499 was last used on the 1984 RTS order as well as 3784-3799. 4279-4299 have not been use on the NYCTA roster but used on the MTABC roster for a very short time. Thats all I can think of.......... for now how about 0021-0089, 0091-0099 and 191-196 never used? Edited May 13, 2019 by limitednyc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3791 Posted May 13, 2019 Not counting demonstrators (Enviro500 0022, D45 0023): 1. 1-190 were NYCTA New Looks. 2. 101-316 were the NYCTA Orion V, and 101-184 the ex-Bee-Lines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3792 Posted May 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, GojiMet86 said: Not counting demonstrators (Enviro500 0022, D45 0023): 1. 1-190 were NYCTA New Looks. 2. 101-316 were the NYCTA Orion V, and 101-184 the ex-Bee-Lines. thanks for the correction . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion6025 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3793 Posted May 13, 2019 Does the NYCTA XD40 order now run from 7484-7879 and the MTABC one from 7880-7905 or is the split different? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 13, 2019 Share #3794 Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, FLX9304 said: You are forgetting something here. The 275 bus order you see here are to replace the next order of O7HYB in the 6490-6905 category. They are the next oldest buses after the first round of O7HYB-Green signage (6365-6489), in which is getting replaced as we speak. Those in orange are close to 15 years old mind you. A few of these buses have been scrapped due to accidents (6536, 6853). I’m actually aware of that. In fact, the current delivery schedule on the first page does call for retirement of the first 158 of the 6490-6689 buses by the end of this year, with the rest of the OGs going by 2021. The list of Depots I posted a few days ago are correct, and in the winter fleet review I quoted. Those 158 OGs would be replaced by displaced NGs from the Bronx and SI going to Fresh Pond and Manhattanville Depot. In fact it looks like this order will directly replace the 2006-07 units. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy283 Posted May 14, 2019 Share #3795 Posted May 14, 2019 On 5/10/2019 at 7:51 PM, Lil 57 said: Did the govern their buses back to 45 mph? was on a new LFS on the S89 and it reached 45 mph on Richmond Ave. Why are buses even speed capped. They use highway stretches on several routes and seems a bit silly to cap the speed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted May 14, 2019 Share #3796 Posted May 14, 2019 23 hours ago, FLX9304 said: You forgot 2931-2999 (although 2969 is used for The Honeymooners show), 8568-8580, 8583-8599 are now used for the very first time. 8705-8749 was last used on the TDH-5303A of the 1967 order. 3475-3499 was last used on the 1984 RTS order as well as 3784-3799. 4279-4299 have not been use on the NYCTA roster but used on the MTABC roster for a very short time. Thats all I can think of.......... for now What about Orion V CNGs 8568-8582? / Yesterday I spotted 217 freshly repainted working the Q38 with a sign inside the bus towards the back reading "217 8-year engine change" Along with NYCT stickers even though it's at MTA Bus. I was once told all the C40s with NYCT stickers were capped at a lower speed despite some of those operating out of Bus co. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil 57 Posted May 14, 2019 Share #3797 Posted May 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, happy283 said: Why are buses even speed capped. They use highway stretches on several routes and seems a bit silly to cap the speed. And if they're deheading on the highway they can slow down traffic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted May 15, 2019 Share #3798 Posted May 15, 2019 12 hours ago, happy283 said: Why are buses even speed capped. They use highway stretches on several routes and seems a bit silly to cap the speed. Saves fuel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveSix OneSeven Posted May 15, 2019 Share #3799 Posted May 15, 2019 12 hours ago, Jdog14 said: Saves fuel. If that's the case, they need to raise the cap for those buses on the Q44 to 45/50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted May 15, 2019 Share #3800 Posted May 15, 2019 when is west farms going to send the xd40's back to up, ja and mjq,.?Are they going to get a order of xd40 of their own? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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