EastFlatbushLarry Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3876 Posted May 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Future ENY OP said: 2002 definitely messed up everything between TA Brooklyn Division and MaBSTOA. i wouldn't go THAT far... it has it's benefits with seniority depending on what side the coin you work on or from... but all in all it definitely doesn't make things any easier when it comes to said seniority issues & the system pick. the kinks should've been worked out by now, but there are alot of union chairs & union offices mucking up the works so to speak, so human error is definitely not uncommon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveSix OneSeven Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3877 Posted May 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Future ENY OP said: To me honestly. MCH should of only gotten the M15 and M35. 100th has no business working the 15 local and the 14A&D. 15 should be full-time local and SBS for MCH. This is why the division to me is so crowded. However, I have to remember that the DOB runs this operation and they are the experts to what routes are suited for the division. Im just the kid that sees things differently and gotta understand that politics play a role in these decisions. Deadheading to south ferry from 147th street is a pain in the ass trip to start from tho thats worst then the deadhead trip from Quill to 125th for the M35. I think the DOP would want the depot to be somewhere in the middle of the line atleast but Tuskegee and Quill can't handle all of the M15 Local and select alone. MCH shouldve been built to handle more buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3878 Posted May 22, 2019 1 minute ago, FiveSix OneSeven said: Deadheading to south ferry from 147th street is a pain in the ass trip to start from tho thats worst then the deadhead trip from Quill to 125th for the M35. I think the DOP would want the depot to be somewhere in the middle of the line atleast but Tuskegee and Quill can't handle all of the M15 Local and select alone. MCH shouldve been built to handle more buses. Most trips start in Harlem and Hale can fit (slightly) more buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3879 Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) As i said before it was contruted for 200 40 footers but the community doesn't more then 150 currently if is was all 40 footers . Edited May 22, 2019 by limitednyc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3880 Posted May 22, 2019 There may have been a change in the XD60 deployment. Word is that Hale is getting their number of artics reduced so that Flatbush can get their shortage filled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3881 Posted May 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, FiveSix OneSeven said: MCH shouldve been built to handle more buses. MTA isn't even allowed to use Mother Hale Depot to its full capacity because of a community concession (complaints of "environmental racism" and all that). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3882 Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: MTA isn't even allowed to use Mother Hale Depot to its full capacity because of a community concession (complaints of "environmental racism" and all that). I though that issue was taken care of since have around 72 Orion VII Clean Air Hybrids over there and are not only getting new clean-diesel artics for the M15 SBS, they are also in line for the next hybrid order. That’s the cleanest and most environmentally-friendly their fleet of 123-128 buses can get. What else are they asking for? 7 minutes ago, Cait Sith said: There may have been a change in the XD60 deployment. Word is that Hale is getting their number of artics reduced so that Flatbush can get their shortage filled. Again? Is this temporary or permanent? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 22, 2019 Share #3883 Posted May 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said: I though that issue was taken care of since have around 72 Orion VII Clean Air Hybrids over there and are not only getting new clean-diesel artics for the M15 SBS, they are also in line for the next hybrid order. That’s the cleanest and most environmentally-friendly their fleet of 123-128 buses can get. What else are they asking for? Again? Is this temporary or permanent? I question why they can't convert Manhattanville to an artic depot to help out routes like the M35 or M60 or even the M15 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3884 Posted May 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, MHV184 said: I question why they can't convert Manhattanville to an artic depot to help out routes like the M35 or M60 or even the M15 That would probably involve demolition and rebuilding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3885 Posted May 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said: I though that issue was taken care of since have around 72 Orion VII Clean Air Hybrids over there and are not only getting new clean-diesel artics for the M15 SBS, they are also in line for the next hybrid order. That’s the cleanest and most environmentally-friendly their fleet of 123-128 buses can get. What else are they asking for? Again? Is this temporary or permanent? It's permanent. They simply don't want bus garages in minority neighborhoods. (Never mind that the garages were there before the minorities moved in.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3886 Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: It's permanent. They simply don't want bus garages in minority neighborhoods. (Never mind that the garages were there before the minorities moved in.) I’m talking about the quantities of the XD60 bus order. I was hoping the assignments could go somewhat like this: 51 Mother Clara Hale 21 Mike Quill 36 Flatbush 1 hour ago, MHV184 said: I question why they can't convert Manhattanville to an artic depot to help out routes like the M35 or M60 or even the M15 For such a conversion, it costs an arm and a leg to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastFlatbushLarry Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3887 Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, MHV184 said: I question why they can't convert Manhattanville to an artic depot to help out routes like the M35 or M60 or even the M15 for depots like Fresh Pond & Manhattanville, it wouldn't make logistical sense from a monetary standpoint to convert either to hold artics. firstly, using Manhattanville as is to hold artics would force many runs out of that building to other depots, and Manhattan Division (specifically MCH & 100 street... and to a lesser extent Quill) can't accommodate such a series of moves. Fresh Pond can't work, due to surrounding infrastructure being drastically & adversely affected by such a conversion (the el pillars & train yard specifically) I'll put it this way, GA being built, Charleston being built, the rebuilding of MCH, converting JG, FB & ENY for artics couldn't happen if funding to convert FP or MHV were to have actually happened. it's truly not a simple process by any stretch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3888 Posted May 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, EastFlatbushLarry said: for depots like Fresh Pond & Manhattanville, it wouldn't make logistical sense from a monetary standpoint to convert either to hold artics. firstly, using Manhattanville as is to hold artics would force many runs out of that building to other depots, and Manhattan Division (specifically MCH & 100 street... and to a lesser extent Quill) can't accommodate such a series of moves. Fresh Pond can't work, due to surrounding infrastructure being drastically & adversely affected by such a conversion (the el pillars & train yard specifically) I'll put it this way, GA being built, Charleston being built, the rebuilding of MCH, converting JG, FB & ENY for artics couldn't happen if funding to convert FP or MHV were to have actually happened. it's truly not a simple process by any stretch. Well the way I was thinking is having Manhattanville keep the routes that it has and with the conversion to artics it can have a split run with the M60 and M35 since it makes sense with Manhattanville Depot being closer. Also I would like to point out that there are plans to make M96 into Select Bus Service which would also make sense to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastFlatbushLarry Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3889 Posted May 23, 2019 39 minutes ago, MHV184 said: Well the way I was thinking is having Manhattanville keep the routes that it has and with the conversion to artics it can have a split run with the M60 and M35 since it makes sense with Manhattanville Depot being closer. Also I would like to point out that there are plans to make M96 into Select Bus Service which would also make sense to do so. uh huh... but that's not how it works. in order to house artics, 40 footers would still have to leave, and runs/RDO's along with it. it's never been as simple as that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastFlatbushLarry Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3890 Posted May 23, 2019 41 minutes ago, MHV184 said: there are plans to make M96 into Select Bus Service which would go to Quill by the way, as MaBSTOA Division 1 is set up that way. and there will be subsequent shuffling to accommodate such a move 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3891 Posted May 23, 2019 Quill all SBS routes in Manhattan except M15. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3892 Posted May 23, 2019 Does anyone know why the XD60 delivery is seemingly slow compared to the new lfs order now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3893 Posted May 23, 2019 Can the LFS order possibly go like this? 8504-8542 [39] (QV) 8543-8572 [30] (KB) 8573-8615 [43] (YU) 8616-8640 [25] (GH) 8641-8665 [25] (QV) 8666-8695 [30] (KB) 8696-8720 [25] (GH) 8721-8754 [34] SBS (YU) my other option is if they give GH their 50 straight instead of a split they'll receive 8616-8665 [50] (GH) 8666-8690 [25] (QV) 8691-8720 [30] (KB) 8721-8754 [34] SBS (YU) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3894 Posted May 23, 2019 10 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said: which would go to Quill by the way, as MaBSTOA Division 1 is set up that way. and there will be subsequent shuffling to accommodate such a move If that implementation coincides with the delivery of the next hybrid order, wouldn’t it be more logical to have the M96 still be out of Manhattanville Depot and use those new hybrids they will get? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion6025 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3895 Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) Looks like the original SBS scheme will survive a little longer now that hale has (temporarily?) lost some of its XD60s. Unless of course the LaGuardia and JFK units get temporarily transferred to hale as those two depots receive 6200s Edited May 23, 2019 by Orion6025 Clarification 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3896 Posted May 23, 2019 10 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said: which would go to Quill by the way, as MaBSTOA Division 1 is set up that way. and there will be subsequent shuffling to accommodate such a move That’s a bit of a deadhead Quill and Gun Hill having these SBS routes. Glad this practice hasn’t hit down to Flatbush but again we are dealing with the DOB. It would make sense for MHV to have the 96SBS and doesn’t need to have artics like the 46SBS at FB. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3897 Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said: That’s a bit of a deadhead Quill and Gun Hill having these SBS routes. Glad this practice hasn’t hit down to Flatbush but again we are dealing with the DOB. It would make sense for MHV to have the 96SBS and doesn’t need to have artics like the 46SBS at FB. The B46 sbs needs artics and ASAP. The only reason why it never got artics was because they couldn’t layover around deklab Avenue. Someone from FB depot was saying they were going to extend the 46 up a bit on Broadway. FB was supposed to get those new XD60S to replace the B44 artics and implement the b46 sbs with artics for rush hour trips. The B82 sbs was supposed to have artics but theirs are around the entire city. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3898 Posted May 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Brillant93 said: The B46 sbs needs artics and ASAP. The only reason why it never got artics was because they couldn’t layover around deklab Avenue. Someone from FB depot was saying they were going to extend the 46 up a bit on Broadway. FB was supposed to get those new XD60S to replace the B44 artics and implement the b46 sbs with artics for rush hour trips. The B82 sbs was supposed to have artics but theirs are around the entire city. Here’s the deal. All of this (they) supposed to get this and that is not flying at all. DOB determines the allotments and for what uses. Right now everything is a mess and as of last night there are more changes to the XD60 order. It gets crazier by the week. It’s going to be a bumpy ride this summer into September. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brillant93 Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3899 Posted May 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said: Here’s the deal. All of this (they) supposed to get this and that is not flying at all. DOB determines the allotments and for what uses. Right now everything is a mess and as of last night there are more changes to the XD60 order. It gets crazier by the week. It’s going to be a bumpy ride this summer into September. Of course and I understand. DOB in my opinion does BK like garbage all the time. I complain about the routes within the area I live cause I live in the flatlands area and the bus routes there suffer the most due to overcrowding. Word around the street the Q12 is going artic and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Q58 and or the B38 will have to wait longer for their artic implementation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted May 23, 2019 Share #3900 Posted May 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brillant93 said: Of course and I understand. DOB in my opinion does BK like garbage all the time. I complain about the routes within the area I live cause I live in the flatlands area and the bus routes there suffer the most due to overcrowding. Word around the street the Q12 is going artic and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Q58 and or the B38 will have to wait longer for their artic implementation. I wouldn’t believe that rumor yet unless there’s true confirmation. The 38/58 conversion is supposed to happen.. However, this Q12 thing is something different. Let’s see what comes down the pike on this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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