Bill from Maspeth Posted December 10, 2019 Share #4526 Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) On 12/8/2019 at 8:29 PM, S78 via Hylan said: They could be at GA just for maintenance. Too many contributors to this site get confused that Grand Ave. has both a depot and base shop where heavy/rehab work is done. As a guy who lives close to Grand Ave., I see buses from many depots traveling to and from the facility. So please, if a given bus is "going to Grand Ave.", it does not necessarily mean it's there for use on a Grand Ave. assigned route. Edited December 10, 2019 by Bill from Maspeth 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted December 10, 2019 Share #4527 Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said: Too many contributors to this site get confused that Grand Ave. has both a depot and base shop where heavy/rehab work is done. As a guy who lives close to Grand Ave., I see buses from many depots traveling to and from the facility. So please, if a given bus is "going to Grand Ave.", it does not necessarily mean it's there for use on a Grand Ave. assigned route. IJS, even if the "other" hybrids, 3800-3959, are assigned there for service, which would be quite odd. But DOB does do odd things! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 10, 2019 Share #4528 Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Those 3800s & 3900s are loans for Grand Avenue. They got those 3900s due to the midday G.Os for the / between Manhattan & Brooklyn with work being done between Hewes & Broad Street. They don't want those G.Os happening on the weekend because of the work. It's basically extra buses for Grand Avenue until the G.O is done with. Edited December 10, 2019 by Cait Sith 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted December 11, 2019 Share #4529 Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Reflected reamining 2004-05 Orion VII Hybrids 6490-6494, 6496-6500, 6502, 6505-6506, 6508, 6510, 6589, 6596, 6602, 6607-6612, 6615, 6617, 6619-6624, 6627-6628 - ENY 6521-6522, 6524, 6528-6531, 6554-6559, 6561, 6568-6569, 6572-6573, 6575-6577, 6580, 6582-6588, 6590, 6593-6595, 6603 - FP 6511-6516, 6518-6520, 6532-6533, 6541-6545, 6547-6548, 6550-6553, 6601 - JFK 6534-6535, 6539-6540, 6549, 6600: LGA. 6643 is also at LGA 6637, 6675 --- Q: Is 4799 at Gun Hill or at Eastchester waiting for the damages to be fixed? Edited December 12, 2019 by Calvin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwwnyc123 Posted December 12, 2019 Share #4530 Posted December 12, 2019 Does ManhattanVille, Michael J. Quill, and Mother Clara Hale Depots still have Orion VII buses? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted December 12, 2019 Share #4531 Posted December 12, 2019 Yes, they do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted December 12, 2019 Share #4532 Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, bwwnyc123 said: Does ManhattanVille, Michael J. Quill, and Mother Clara Hale Depots still have Orion VII buses? That’s pretty much everything they operate besides the 2019 New Flyer XD40’s at Michael J. Quill.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4533 Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) The hybrid procurement is officially split between New Flyer and Nova. Novabus: pilot buses May 2020 165 hybrid buses (base) 126 hybrid buses (option) 209 diesel buses (option) *All LFS HEV's will have BAE* New Flyer: pilot buses October 2020 110 hybrid buses (base) 84 hybrid buses (option) 139 diesel buses (option) *the base order is a 60/50 BAE/Allison split with all options being BAE* "production" deliveries are expected between December 2020 and October 2021 Further details are in the December NYCT committee book Edited December 13, 2019 by Around the Horn 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4534 Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Around the Horn said: The hybrid procurement is officially split between New Flyer and Nova. Novabus: pilot buses May 2020 165 hybrid buses (base) 126 hybrid buses (option) 209 diesel buses (option) *All LFS HEV's will have BAE* New Flyer: pilot buses October 2020 110 hybrid buses (base) 84 hybrid buses (option) 139 diesel buses (option) *the base order is a 60/50 BAE/Allison split with all options being BAE* "production" deliveries are expected between December 2020 and October 2021 Further details are in the December NYCT committee book Why would New Flyer get 110 and Nova get 165? I thought New Flyer would get more buses than Nova in a split order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4535 Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Around the Horn said: New Flyer: pilot buses October 2020 The 10 2018 New Flyer XDE40 buses at Grand Avenue Depot aren’t pilot buses? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4536 Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: Why would New Flyer get 110 and Nova get 165? I thought New Flyer would get more buses than Nova in a split order. Now why would you think that? Don't use old orders as examples of what may happen in future orders. 16 minutes ago, Snorunts said: The 10 2018 New Flyer XDE40 buses at Grand Avenue Depot aren’t pilot buses? They are. They're likely doing a slightly different configuration to these 10 XDE40s. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4537 Posted December 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Cait Sith said: Now why would you think that? Don't use old orders as examples of what may happen in future orders. New Flyer normally delivers faster than Nova, so it would’ve made sense for 60% of the buses in a split order to go to them to get them in faster for the network redesign. In addition, it also mathematically adds up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted December 13, 2019 Share #4538 Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said: New Flyer normally delivers faster than Nova, so it would’ve made sense for 60% of the buses in a split order to go to them to get them in faster for the network redesign. In addition, it also mathematically adds up. And that's exactly why I said to not use past orders as an explanation, because it's not just about delivery speed or anything like that. It's also about product quality and performance, which has favored Nova this time around. These orders also have nothing to do with the network redesigns because other hybrid buses are getting retired due to this order. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4539 Posted December 14, 2019 Interesting, so what is getting retired the remaining OGs and some NGs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4540 Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: New Flyer normally delivers faster than Nova, so it would’ve made sense for 60% of the buses in a split order to go to them to get them in faster for the network redesign. In addition, it also mathematically adds up. Nova has a faster delivery schedule this time around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4541 Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Cait Sith said: They're likely doing a slightly different configuration to these 10 XDE40s. I heard a rumor that they were going with plug rear doors for this order to facilitate all door boarding but no official word yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4542 Posted December 14, 2019 Is it me or the build quality on the 10 XDE40s we have is trash? They are rattle traps to me which is weird cause the diesel Cuomo XD40s built during the same time period seem to be pretty durable. I'm not surprised Nova got a bigger piece of the hybrid pie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4543 Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: And that's exactly why I said to not use past orders as an explanation, because it's not just about delivery speed or anything like that. It's also about product quality and performance, which has favored Nova this time around. 14 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Nova has a faster delivery schedule this time around. Well is that’s the case, well played. This should also send a message to New Flyer to step up their game and make more sturdier and better buses. As for assignments, I do believe that (for my own selfish reason) the 165 Novas should go to Brooklyn and Manhattan and the 110 New Flyers get a good beating in the Bronx and Queens, with assignments similar to what is on my spreadsheet. That way, I, a Brooklynite, can get a little bit of bus variety on my home turf this time around, while having the New Flyers up in the Bronx and Queens can allow me to go out and explore outside my area more, because I have a hard time understanding how areas outside of my home neighborhood works. However, on a more serious note, they should give Manhattanville and Mother Clara Hale a bit of the priority for new buses this time. They haven’t received new buses in a while. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4544 Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: These orders also have nothing to do with the network redesigns because other hybrid buses are getting retired due to this order. For some reason, I thought that they would be, because of the timing of the orders and the fact that if we want a modernized bus system, we need modern buses as well, because of the routes need to be reliable, then so should the buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4545 Posted December 14, 2019 17 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said: As for assignments, I do believe that (for my own selfish reason) the 165 Novas should go to Brooklyn and Manhattan and the 110 New Flyers get a good beating in the Bronx and Queens, with assignments similar to what is on my spreadsheet. That way, I, a Brooklynite, can get a little bit of bus variety on my home turf this time around, while having the New Flyers up in the Bronx and Queens can allow me to go out and explore outside my area more, because I have a hard time understanding how areas outside of my home neighborhood works. I hope you realize that MTA doesn’t care about “variety....” Certain bus models work better in different areas. New Flyers happen to work best in Brooklyn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4546 Posted December 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Snorunts said: I hope you realize that MTA doesn’t care about “variety....” Certain bus models work better in different areas. New Flyers happen to work best in Brooklyn. You took that seriously? That was supposed to be a joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4547 Posted December 14, 2019 33 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said: For some reason, I thought that they would be, because of the timing of the orders and the fact that if we want a modernized bus system, we need modern buses as well, because of the routes need to be reliable, then so should the buses. Problem with that is that even after these buses come, we will STILL have relatively old (not 15 year sold old, but not new either) buses in service. The oldest artics are from 2010 and the oldest diesel 40 foots are the 2011 buses. A fleet as big as our will never have an all new fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4548 Posted December 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jdog14 said: Problem with that is that even after these buses come, we will STILL have relatively old (not 15 year sold old, but not new either) buses in service. The oldest artics are from 2010 and the oldest diesel 40 foots are the 2011 buses. A fleet as big as our will never have an all new fleet. 2011 is a pretty decent year for buses. If maintained well, those buses are capable to look as new as the 2014-2015 New Flyer XD40 and 2015-2016 Novabus LFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4549 Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, Snorunts said: 2011 is a pretty decent year for buses. If maintained well, those buses are capable to look as new as the 2014-2015 New Flyer XD40 and 2015-2016 Novabus LFS. Lets be realistic, with this agency 2 year old buses look run down lol 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted December 14, 2019 Share #4550 Posted December 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jdog14 said: Lets be realistic, with this agency 2 year old buses look run down lol That’s true. If only these buses were maintained a lot better, then our whole fleet would look new. Buses from 2011 will look like 2014-2016 models, buses from 2014-2016 will look like from last year, and all the WiFi schemed buses will look only a day old. That would be the dream.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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