Calvin Posted August 22, 2020 Share #4826 Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Cait Sith said: Jamaica is one of those depots that can handle multiple fleets without issue(hence why they got NGs when they were brand new), just like West Farms, Quill and a few others. Does this apply to Castleton Depot in Staten Island? Edited August 22, 2020 by Calvin Castleton Depot was added as they used to have Next Gens and XD-40s for local service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted August 22, 2020 Share #4827 Posted August 22, 2020 Just now, Calvin said: Does this apply to Castleton Depot in Staten Island? Adding to what Calvin said does Manhattanville also apply to this? Now I know it’s 100% Orion VII right now but if DOB wanted they can go for LFS and New Flyer type of split can they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Williams Posted August 22, 2020 Share #4828 Posted August 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, Snorunts said: East New York as well, correct? i thought Bk can't handle Novas... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 22, 2020 Share #4829 Posted August 22, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Shawn Williams said: i thought Bk can't handle Novas... East New York had a few 2015 Novabus LFS units for a short time when they were brand new. Shortly after, most of them were sent to Jamaica with a few going to Charleston. I am not sure what the reason for this was, but it could have been so the depot wouldn’t house all that many bus models (1997/98/99 RTS-06, 2004/05/06/07 Orion VII Hybrid, 2011/14/15 Xcelsior XD40, & 2015 Novabus LFS). Edited August 22, 2020 by Snorunts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4830 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Snorunts said: East New York had a few 2015 Novabus LFS units for a short time when they were brand new. Shortly after, most of them were sent to Jamaica with a few going to Charleston. I am not sure what the reason for this was, but it could have been so the depot wouldn’t house all that many bus models (1997/98/99 RTS-06, 2004/05/06/07 Orion VII Hybrid, 2011/14/15 Xcelsior XD40, & 2015 Novabus LFS). From what I've looked at from the archives, ENY had the LFS from 8090-8123 b.c of the New Flyer recall. Also at that time, the RTS they had were sent to WF to cover for the CNGs to be fixed so, they filled in the gap. Edited August 23, 2020 by Calvin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Williams Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4831 Posted August 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, Snorunts said: East New York had a few 2015 Novabus LFS units for a short time when they were brand new. Shortly after, most of them were sent to Jamaica with a few going to Charleston. I am not sure what the reason for this was, but it could have been so the depot wouldn’t house all that many bus models (1997/98/99 RTS-06, 2004/05/06/07 Orion VII Hybrid, 2011/14/15 Xcelsior XD40, & 2015 Novabus LFS). those XD40s should of went to Jamaica 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4832 Posted August 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shawn Williams said: those XD40s should of went to Jamaica How come? They’re perfectly okay at East New York Depot and Brooklyn in general. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Williams Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4833 Posted August 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Snorunts said: How come? They’re perfectly okay at East New York Depot and Brooklyn in general. No operator in Bk likes them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4834 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Shawn Williams said: No operator in Bk likes them. So you went to East New York, Fresh Pond, Grand Avenue, and Ulmer Park Depot and asked each and every bus operator what they think of the Xcelsiors? I highly doubt that. What is your source of information because I don’t believe you one bit? Edited August 23, 2020 by Snorunts 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4835 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Snorunts said: So you went to East New York, Fresh Pond, Grand Avenue, and Ulmer Park Depot and asked each and every bus operator what they think of the Xcelsiors? I highly doubt that. What is your source of information because I don’t believe you one bit? He probably isn't speaking for most of the operators, but the 70-74xx XD40s aren't exactly the greatest buses for take-off. The 75-78xx are much better. Edited August 23, 2020 by Jdog14 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4836 Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Jdog14 said: He probably isn't speaking for most of the operators, but the 70-74xx XD40s aren't exactly the greatest buses for take-off. The 75-78xx are much better. Im pretty sure the buses are off the manufacturers warranty now...they should modify the transmissions to run like the 4800s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4837 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: Im pretty sure the buses are off the manufacturers warranty now...they should modify the transmissions to run like the 4800s. Don't bet on it. Those buses are 4-5 years old now. If they wanted to do something with the transmissions, they would've done it by now. The 4800s were test cases. 3 hours ago, Shawn Williams said: i thought Bk can't handle Novas... If they couldn't, Flatbush would've never had Nova ARTICS and ENY would've never gotten 40fters. Flatbush still has Nova Artics. I don't know who keeps feeding you nonsense information, but you need to stop listening to those people. 4 hours ago, MHV184 said: Adding to what Calvin said does Manhattanville also apply to this? Now I know it’s 100% Orion VII right now but if DOB wanted they can go for LFS and New Flyer type of split can they? They could, but regardless, it's gonna be split anyway with Nova or New Flyer with Orions. 4 hours ago, Calvin said: Does this apply to Castleton Depot in Staten Island? I would've thought that was obvious, especially since they had four different local fleets at one point... Edited August 23, 2020 by Cait Sith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastFlatbushLarry Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4838 Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: especially since they had four different local fleets at one point ah, that was a sight to see... orion 3G's, orion 5's, xd40's & LFS's all under one roof 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4839 Posted August 23, 2020 3 hours ago, XcelsiorBoii4888 said: Im pretty sure the buses are off the manufacturers warranty now...they should modify the transmissions to run like the 4800s. I think MTA gave-up on that long time ago lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4840 Posted August 23, 2020 I thought Castleton had 5 different fleets. Didn't they had the NGs (not the 3G's) in 2011? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4841 Posted August 23, 2020 20 minutes ago, Q43LTD said: I thought Castleton had 5 different fleets. Didn't they had the NGs (not the 3G's) in 2011? Very briefly in 2011: Orion V Orion NG Orion 3G Nova LFS New Flyer XD40 6 if you count the D4500's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4842 Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Very briefly in 2011: Orion V Orion NG Orion 3G Nova LFS New Flyer XD40 6 if you count the D4500's Come to think of it, I think Queens Village had 5 as well at that time. Six if you count the Express routes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Valiant Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4843 Posted August 23, 2020 9 hours ago, EastFlatbushLarry said: ah, that was a sight to see... orion 3G's, orion 5's, xd40's & LFS's all under one roof Didn’t they also have Orion VII NG Hybrids as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4844 Posted August 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, Snorunts said: Didn’t they also have Orion VII NG Hybrids as well? Yes they did. See the above posts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4845 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Q43LTD said: Come to think of it, I think Queens Village had 5 as well at that time. Six if you count the Express routes. Yeah they had the 2011 LFS’s, the RTS, the Orion VII’s from 2004, the XD40s and the Orion 3G. Queens village is still my favorite depot in Queens because of the diversity. Today you have the 2011 Nova’s with the rear window, the 2016 Nova’s without the rear window and the 2019 Nova’s with the Cuomo scheme. Then you have the OG Orion VII’s and the NG Orion VII’s. Edited August 23, 2020 by NewFlyer 230 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4846 Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, NewFlyer 230 said: Yeah they had the 2011 LFS’s, the RTS, the Orion VII’s from 2004, the XD40s and the Orion 3G. Queens village is still my favorite depot in Queens because of the diversity. Today you have the 2011 Nova’s with the rear window, the 2016 Nova’s without the rear window and the 2019 Nova’s with the Cuomo scheme. Then you have the OG Orion VII’s and the NG Orion VII’s. Queens Village is my favorite too because of the diversity. My second favorite would be Jamaica. They didn't really become diverse until 2009 though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Williams Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4847 Posted August 23, 2020 14 hours ago, Cait Sith said: Don't bet on it. Those buses are 4-5 years old now. If they wanted to do something with the transmissions, they would've done it by now. The 4800s were test cases. If they couldn't, Flatbush would've never had Nova ARTICS and ENY would've never gotten 40fters. Flatbush still has Nova Artics. I don't know who keeps feeding you nonsense information, but you need to stop listening to those people. They could, but regardless, it's gonna be split anyway with Nova or New Flyer with Orions. I would've thought that was obvious, especially since they had four different local fleets at one point... i know that but those Novas at Flatbush are leaving already to head back to kingsbridge and also theres a plan from the DOB to covert Bk to only Xcelsiors. i got this info from a friend of mines 3 or 4 months ago in a server.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4848 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Shawn Williams said: i know that but those Novas at Flatbush are leaving already to head back to kingsbridge and also theres a plan from the DOB to covert Bk to only Xcelsiors. i got this info from a friend of mines 3 or 4 months ago in a server.. I'm going to reiterate this point again. Whoever is feeding you nonsense information, you should stop listening to them. There is no "plan" to convert Brooklyn to only Xcelsiors. That was already in the works when 7090 showed up. Brooklyn won't be fully Xcelsior for several, several years. The last bit of Novas at Flatbush won't be leaving anytime soon. Edited August 23, 2020 by Cait Sith 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted August 23, 2020 Share #4849 Posted August 23, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shawn Williams said: i know that but those Novas at Flatbush are leaving already to head back to kingsbridge and also theres a plan from the DOB to covert Bk to only Xcelsiors. i got this info from a friend of mines 3 or 4 months ago in a server.. Just 2 left. With the proterras being here, good luck with that happening now lol Edited August 23, 2020 by Jdog14 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted August 24, 2020 Share #4850 Posted August 24, 2020 23 hours ago, Shawn Williams said: No operator in Bk likes them. 23 hours ago, Snorunts said: So you went to East New York, Fresh Pond, Grand Avenue, and Ulmer Park Depot and asked each and every bus operator what they think of the Xcelsiors? I highly doubt that. What is your source of information because I don’t believe you one bit? If Shawn is talking about 2014-15 XD40s, it isn't far fetched that most BK ops don't like them. In terms of the way they run they are geared the worst compared to the 4800s and the Cuomo scheme buses. Fresh Pond and LGA seems to be the only depots that has 2014-15 XD40s with quick acceleration, they feel that way from a passenger prospective at least. There was even a 2014-15 unit out on a FP hawk run a couple nights ago, I'd imagine hawk ops get to choose what bus they pull out since most of the buses are in the garage once they start their runs. With that being said, I don't think buses should be transfered from BK just because BK ops don't like them, if BK ops don't like them, then Queens ops probably won't like them ethier! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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