trife86 Posted August 22, 2014 Share #101 Posted August 22, 2014 That's what it's looking like. I see Staten Island on the horizon for a couple reasons. Castleton no longer has hybrids for the exact same reason MTA Bus will no longer have hybrids one day. Yukon is also going to need some new diesels to replace the buses on the S79SBS as they are not efficient for SBS service at all. Why are they not efficient for the sbs79 ? My only issue with them is they cannot hold speed uphill period. There are times they drop down to about 30 on the vz bridge and throw a check hev until you get to the other side lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share #102 Posted August 22, 2014 Why are they not efficient for the sbs79 ? My only issue with them is they cannot hold speed uphill period. There are times they drop down to about 30 on the vz bridge and throw a check hev until you get to the other side lol Series hybrids (which we have) are not built for high speeds. They are made for stop-and-go traffic. The higher the average speed of the bus, the sooner the batteries, and other components will need to be replaced. Parallel Hybrids (Allison) are built for high and low speeds. If MTA had opted for that model on some of the hybrids, they would be much more efficient. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The TransitMan Posted August 22, 2014 Share #103 Posted August 22, 2014 Series hybrids (which we have) are not built for high speeds. They are made for stop-and-go traffic. The higher the average speed of the bus, the sooner the batteries, and other components will need to be replaced. Parallel Hybrids (Allison) are built for high and low speeds. If MTA had opted for that model on some of the hybrids, they would be much more efficient. Like what SEPTA and WMATA have! Damn, can you imagine the MTA getting those? Wait...I thought about it. Which is why we have Series Hybrids. Thanks for the explanation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 22, 2014 Author Share #104 Posted August 22, 2014 That, and the fact that Series is not as expensive as Parallel. BAE actually offers both now, as well as a new Hybrid system that uses more electric and can completely operate on battery alone, so the buses can be shut off before entering the depot, and keeping the air inside clean. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted August 22, 2014 Share #105 Posted August 22, 2014 Orion only offered the BAE series hybrid, that's why they don't have Allison 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaimlerBuses Posted August 23, 2014 Share #106 Posted August 23, 2014 That, and the fact that Series is not as expensive as Parallel. BAE actually offers both now, as well as a new Hybrid system that uses more electric and can completely operate on battery alone, so the buses can be shut off before entering the depot, and keeping the air inside clean. BAE does not offer a parallel system for transit buses. Their parallel system is only available in certain truck applications. The "new system" you're referring too is not a new hybrid system but rather an add on to the existing BAE system that was developed jointly with Orion (but was released into field testing by New Flyer in 2012). The system replaces the traditional alternator and is capable of electrifying A/C, Steering, compressors to name a few in addition to what you mention. This arrangement will likely become the standard configuration in the near future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share #107 Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Thanks gentleman. That's why reading is fundamental! Lol. I was looking at a brochure given to me by a BAE employee, and payed no attention that the parallel was for trucks.... And yes the new E system is just an upgrade of the old. I saw the presentation. Edited August 23, 2014 by East New York 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted August 23, 2014 Share #108 Posted August 23, 2014 Why are they not efficient for the sbs79 ? My only issue with them is they cannot hold speed uphill period. There are times they drop down to about 30 on the vz bridge and throw a check hev until you get to the other side lol It still boggles the mind that the 3Gs are not put on the S79. There's enough to split between Yukon and Castleton to cover the S53/93 and S79. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trife86 Posted August 23, 2014 Share #109 Posted August 23, 2014 It still boggles the mind that the 3Gs are not put on the S79. There's enough to split between Yukon and Castleton to cover the S53/93 and S79. I would think it has to do with maintenance having to stockpile parts for yet another model of bus is just too much for the depot to handle? But I don't know anything about operations lol I, just a low level operator 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R142A7565 Posted August 24, 2014 Share #110 Posted August 24, 2014 1208 have been unwrapped as select bus service .. Running on Bx40 today... At least I saw yesterday 5323 not been wrapped up Select Bus Service yesterday .. 5323 running Bx22 yesterday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share #111 Posted August 25, 2014 It still boggles the mind that the 3Gs are not put on the S79. There's enough to split between Yukon and Castleton to cover the S53/93 and S79. This one is actually really simple. The MTA does not want hybrids at Castleton. I would think it has to do with maintenance having to stockpile parts for yet another model of bus is just too much for the depot to handle? But I don't know anything about operations lol I, just a low level operator In some cases yes, but the Orion VII's have more common parts than none, so It isn't an issue. Taking on parts for another bus wont be a problem. Now, in another scenario, we can use Ulmer Park Depot during the test program. They had to stock parts for 4 different types of local buses, and 2 types of express buses. That was WAY too much. That's one of the reasons why the MTA started transferring the test buses, and changing up the assignments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share #112 Posted September 18, 2014 After a month off for summer vacation, It's almost time for things to return to full swing on Madison Avenue. With board meetings coming next week, it's time for major updates in this thread, and almost time for to order some new buses! 376 of them to be exact...... Let's go Nova! LFS pilot 8090 is complete! She will be on her way in the coming days, and sources say she will head straight to Queens, and enter service very quickly, as did 7090. Speaking of 7090. The bus is basically performing flawless. I have been getting regular updates on the status, as this is technically a Bus Test & Evaluation procurement. I also see the bus almost everyday at the most random times, from 3am on the B17 to 3pm on the B15. It has remained in service since the day it started. All day, and all night. The bus never rests. I have to say this is the most impressive entry into service of any NFI bus I have seen since 1000. Bravo New Flyer!! Updates on 8091-8093 coming soon as well. Updates will be made site-wide daily for the next 4 days as we have lots to cover. I don't want to just post it all at once, because there is way too much to cover. CNG BTE, and Prevost updates are also included. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted September 18, 2014 Share #113 Posted September 18, 2014 Excellent news on the 7090!! Any word on 7091, 2, and 3? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newflyerlover Posted September 19, 2014 Share #114 Posted September 19, 2014 After a month off for summer vacation, It's almost time for things to return to full swing on Madison Avenue. With board meetings coming next week, it's time for major updates in this thread, and almost time for to order some new buses! 376 of them to be exact...... Let's go Nova! LFS pilot 8090 is complete! She will be on her way in the coming days, and sources say she will head straight to Queens, and enter service very quickly, as did 7090. Speaking of 7090. The bus is basically performing flawless. I have been getting regular updates on the status, as this is technically a Bus Test & Evaluation procurement. I also see the bus almost everyday at the most random times, from 3am on the B17 to 3pm on the B15. It has remained in service since the day it started. All day, and all night. The bus never rests. I have to say this is the most impressive entry into service of any NFI bus I have seen since 1000. Bravo New Flyer!! Updates on 8091-8093 coming soon as well. Updates will be made site-wide daily for the next 4 days as we have lots to cover. I don't want to just post it all at once, because there is way too much to cover. CNG BTE, and Prevost updates are also included. I just drove 7090 today on the B15, performed beautifully on my JFK trip!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted September 19, 2014 Share #115 Posted September 19, 2014 I wonder which depot will 8090 go to? Jamaica or Queens Village 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 19, 2014 Share #116 Posted September 19, 2014 So this happened for Bus... http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/mta-buy-120-low-floor-buses-speed-service-article-1.1945840?cid=bitly XD40s and XD60s for Bus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The TransitMan Posted September 19, 2014 Share #117 Posted September 19, 2014 So this happened for Bus... http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/mta-buy-120-low-floor-buses-speed-service-article-1.1945840?cid=bitly XD40s and XD60s for Bus Well that was an "About Face!" Ok. So Xcelsiors will rule in Queens! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share #118 Posted September 23, 2014 That is correct! Xcelsiors are now official. As mentioned, updates are coming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted September 23, 2014 Share #119 Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) How many days has 7090 been on the road? When dies it's test expire? Edited September 23, 2014 by T J Trainman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted September 24, 2014 Share #120 Posted September 24, 2014 I wonder which depot will 8090 go to? Jamaica or Queens Village Probably QV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share #121 Posted September 24, 2014 How many days has 7090 been on the road? When dies it's test expire? I would have to check and see when the bus went into service. Normal pilot testing phase is about 6 months. This one will be about 3-4 months. Probably QV Yes it's supposed to be going to QV. All the info in the first post of this thread has been updated as of yesterday, with much more detail coming soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 24, 2014 Share #122 Posted September 24, 2014 I love how they started the XD40 numbers for MTA Bus right after the NYCT ones...good streaming of numbers. As for the 1000s, well the last XD60 to start there was changed at the last minute so let's see if history repeats itself lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 25, 2014 Author Share #123 Posted September 25, 2014 I love how they started the XD40 numbers for MTA Bus right after the NYCT ones...good streaming of numbers. As for the 1000s, well the last XD60 to start there was changed at the last minute so let's see if history repeats itself lol Truth! I confirmed the numbers for that order to be 1000-1089. 1000 showed up and was re-numbered 2 days later! lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted September 25, 2014 Share #124 Posted September 25, 2014 Truth! I confirmed the numbers for that order to be 1000-1089. 1000 showed up and was re-numbered 2 days later! lol Dumb, dumb, dumb, it looks aesthetically more pleasing than 4710. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-CT1660- Posted September 25, 2014 Share #125 Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I'm surprised new flyer won as opposed to nova. Was hoping for LFS's at MTA bus I wonder which BC depots are to get the 40' Xcelsior batch. As long as it's not LaGuardia I'll be more than happy. Edited September 25, 2014 by -CT1660- 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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