Gorgor Posted August 21, 2011 Share #1 Posted August 21, 2011 I think that's the right term. I was just looking at some of the bus schedules and noticed that some buses don't do the entire route, but just a small portion of it. Besides for the obvious question of why the do it, I'm wondering where exactly these buses terminate because the schedules don't make it quite clear. I'm not really interested in the ones that start their route later on in the route, but that end their route somewhere in the middle. Bus routes in question: M3 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 125th and 110th M4 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 135th and 110th M5 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 135th and 96th M101 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 96th and 42nd M102 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 96th and 42nd M103 - Some northbound buses terminate somewhere between 96th and 125th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BZGuy Posted August 21, 2011 Share #2 Posted August 21, 2011 I'm gonna guess for the (M3),(M4),and (M5) that those buses DH back to MHV or turn back around on their routes as helpers to the regular schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted August 21, 2011 Share #3 Posted August 21, 2011 M3, does not short turn at 110th, unless heading north. M101 also ends at 161st / St. Nicholas. Rest not sure much. Tho i think there maybe a deadhead for the M3/4 at 168th St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 21, 2011 Share #4 Posted August 21, 2011 Most M1SB turns around at 59th St. Most M2 LTD/M3 SB turns around at 26th St. Some M1/M2/M3 SB turns around at 42nd St. When they do, some buses use 42nd St or some buses use 41st St turn around. Some M4 NB turns around at 168th St or 190th St during museum hours. Some Q33NB ends at 23rd Av/94th St. When 126th St bus stop is open by depot. Some M15SBS NB turns around at 125th St instead of going to 126th St Depot stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 21, 2011 Share #5 Posted August 21, 2011 Some NB M3 terminate at St. Nicholas Av/125th St as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #6 Posted August 22, 2011 There are several reasons for short turns: -To save money by providing less service to the less busier part of the route while not overcrowding the busy part -To reduce cumulative delays on a long route caused by traffic or so that an incident one one part of the route doesn't affect the whole route -Because they're deadhead trips that have been converted to revenue service. Have a look at this: http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rpt_135.pdf (checkmate, this is the scheduling manual I sent you) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BZGuy Posted August 22, 2011 Share #7 Posted August 22, 2011 Have a look at this: http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rpt_135.pdf (checkmate, this is the scheduling manual I sent you) Thanks for that link. I'm a operational geek....so this manual is very interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted August 22, 2011 Share #8 Posted August 22, 2011 The B44 has lots of short-turns. - Flushing Av/Fulton St/Eastern Parkway/the school trippers run to Church Ave/Flatbush Avenue/Avenue U/Avenue X, and some trips to Nostrand Avenue and Emmons Avenue. So does the B6. And the B46. B35 has Kings Highway and I think Nostrand Av- short-turns. The B8 has Nostrand Av short-turns during Rush Hour, as does the B41 to Flatbush Av or Empire Blvd. The B46 short-turns to Dekalb Ave eventually got so prevealant that, aside from getting its own thread here, the amended the B46's timetable: Old: Local and Limited-Stop Service from Kings Plaza to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza New: Local and Limited-Stop Service from Kings Plaza to Bedford-Stuyvesant or Williamsburg Bridge Plaza The M15 SBS has some Houston St short turns during AM Rush Hour. What's interesting is that when SBS started in October 2010, those short-turns ran down to South Ferry but they were cut back to Houston St with the November 2010 schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 22, 2011 Share #9 Posted August 22, 2011 When Riverbank State Park was open, some Bx19 WB terminated at Broadway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted August 22, 2011 Share #10 Posted August 22, 2011 When Riverbank State Park was open, some Bx19 WB terminated at Broadway. That's not a short turn.....that's the late night terminal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineerboy6561 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #11 Posted August 22, 2011 There are several reasons for short turns: -To save money by providing less service to the less busier part of the route while not overcrowding the busy part -To reduce cumulative delays on a long route caused by traffic or so that an incident one one part of the route doesn't affect the whole route -Because they're deadhead trips that have been converted to revenue service. Have a look at this: http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/tcrp/tcrp_rpt_135.pdf (checkmate, this is the scheduling manual I sent you) Thanks for the link; this manual is really interesting reading! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princejv26 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #12 Posted August 22, 2011 The reason for the short turns on the M3 and M4 is because that's the end of the run for the driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 22, 2011 Share #13 Posted August 22, 2011 Some downtown M101/M102 turnsaround at 24th St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 22, 2011 Share #14 Posted August 22, 2011 The B44 has lots of short-turns. - Flushing Av/Fulton St/Eastern Parkway/the school trippers run to Church Ave/Flatbush Avenue/Avenue U/Avenue X, and some trips to Nostrand Avenue and Emmons Avenue. So does the B6. And the B46. B35 has Kings Highway and I think Nostrand Av- short-turns. The B8 has Nostrand Av short-turns during Rush Hour, as does the B41 to Flatbush Av or Empire Blvd. The B46 short-turns to Dekalb Ave eventually got so prevealant that, aside from getting its own thread here, the amended the B46's timetable: Old: Local and Limited-Stop Service from Kings Plaza to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza New: Local and Limited-Stop Service from Kings Plaza to Bedford-Stuyvesant or Williamsburg Bridge Plaza about the B44, you aint kiddin... there's one at empire also.... B46 short turn terminals are at dekalb av, Kings Hwy, fillmore av, & eastern pkwy... as far as 46's ending at dekalb, it's gotten a lot more common to see those, over 46's out of williamsburg..... I think they stopped those EB B35 trips that originated at nostrand av.... B35 really only has mcdonald av & kings hwy.... used to have some buses that ended at 5th av, but now they just send all those buses down to 1st av, and have them deadhead back to the depot from there.... I'm not sure of all the B6 short turns, but the ones I know of, are at glenwood, rockaway pkwy. subway, & coney island av.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted August 22, 2011 Share #15 Posted August 22, 2011 about the B44, you aint kiddin... there's one at empire also.... B46 short turn terminals are at dekalb av, Kings Hwy, fillmore av, & eastern pkwy... as far as 46's ending at dekalb, it's gotten a lot more common to see those, over 46's out of williamsburg..... I think they stopped those EB B35 trips that originated at nostrand av.... B35 really only has mcdonald av & kings hwy.... used to have some buses that ended at 5th av, but now they just send all those buses down to 1st av, and have them deadhead back to the depot from there.... I'm not sure of all the B6 short turns, but the ones I know of, are at glenwood, rockaway pkwy. subway, & coney island av.... Wow....I never knew they was a short turn @ Glenwood.....the rest I know. Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway Station one isn't really a short turn....the local buses just end there I guess to ease the overcrowding of the bus under the Livonia El! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 22, 2011 Share #16 Posted August 22, 2011 I meant some middays, some Bx19 ends at late night terminal even when park is opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #17 Posted August 22, 2011 That's not a short turn.....that's the late night terminal! I meant some middays, some Bx19 ends at late night terminal even when park is opened. Some bx19 buses are short turning during the day due to road work at the Park. M11 is not going into the park but ending at 145th / Riverside Drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 22, 2011 Share #18 Posted August 22, 2011 I meant before the park construction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #19 Posted August 22, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 22, 2011 Share #20 Posted August 22, 2011 Sometimes when Q72 is very late, some buses turn around at pre-triboro day stop at 23rd Av. WB M60s at 2nd Av. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 23, 2011 Share #21 Posted August 23, 2011 Wow....I never knew they was a short turn @ Glenwood.....the rest I know. Canarsie-Rockaway Parkway Station one isn't really a short turn....the local buses just end there I guess to ease the overcrowding of the bus under the Livonia El! that should read glenwood/nostrand; or more accurately, nostrand av..... my fault.... but yeah, there are eastbound B6's that begin their trip at nostrand.... and boy are those necessary.... the other day I walked to the junction (down brooklyn av & across glenwood), and there was a WB B6 that stopped dead right there on Nostrand av.... not the first time I seen that happen though, but I'm more to used to seeing the B6 WB buses short turn @ CI av.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted August 23, 2011 Share #22 Posted August 23, 2011 Some bx19 buses are short turning during the day due to road work at the Park. Its not a short turn....its a late night terminal sign used during the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanarsie Guy Posted August 23, 2011 Share #23 Posted August 23, 2011 that should read glenwood/nostrand; or more accurately, nostrand av..... my fault.... but yeah, there are eastbound B6's that begin their trip at nostrand.... and boy are those necessary.... the other day I walked to the junction (down brooklyn av & across glenwood), and there was a WB B6 that stopped dead right there on Nostrand av.... not the first time I seen that happen though, but I'm more to used to seeing the B6 WB buses short turn @ CI av.... When FLA had tripper on the B6 EB Buses short turned @ ralph av back to the junction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted August 23, 2011 Share #24 Posted August 23, 2011 I think that's the right term. I was just looking at some of the bus schedules and noticed that some buses don't do the entire route, but just a small portion of it. Besides for the obvious question of why the do it, I'm wondering where exactly these buses terminate because the schedules don't make it quite clear. I'm not really interested in the ones that start their route later on in the route, but that end their route somewhere in the middle. Bus routes in question: M3 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 125th and 110th M4 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 135th and 110th M5 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 135th and 96th M101 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 96th and 42nd M102 - Some southbound buses terminate somewhere between 96th and 42nd M103 - Some northbound buses terminate somewhere between 96th and 125th Those are basically in-service pull-in trips. They operate in service just far enough to get near the depot, then pull in... M3: St. Nicholas & 125th. M4, M5: Broadway & 135th. M101/102/103: Lexington & 99th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted August 25, 2011 Share #25 Posted August 25, 2011 I remember when Riverbank Park opened back in 1993, there were Bx19s with green flags which denoted that they went inside the park. The ones without the flags ended at Broadway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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