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I would think that Market Street would be the better place to use these buses since they have a great deal of routes to the GWB, which really don't need a MCI. They would be perfect for the RTS Express buses. This would also work for the Meadowlands for the 123, 124, 125, and 127 Local (Not the Shaler Blvd extention since they EXPECT a MCI in the AM and PM), as well as the 181, 188, and the 329.

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I would think that Market Street would be the better place to use these buses since they have a great deal of routes to the GWB, which really don't need a MCI. They would be perfect for the RTS Express buses. This would also work for the Meadowlands for the 123, 124, 125, and 127 Local (Not the Shaler Blvd extention since they EXPECT a MCI in the AM and PM), as well as the 181, 188, and the 329.

 

 

The question is how many seats would it have. MTA's will have 49 because there is no rear door, but NJT wants express with a rear door which will eliminate 4 seats IIRC.

 

IMO, it defeats the whole purpose if you opt for an express with a rear door, but word on the street is that's what NJT would want.

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UPDATE

 

The final high floor BTE proposal for MTA will likely be delayed once again. MTS has a potential customer just ahead of MTA for 2000 buses. They were supposed to meet with the officials of the foreign transit agency this week, however, there was an issue with their travel VISA's, and the trip to Roswell has been postponed.

 

At this time, the low floor BTE proposal remains on track to be presented to MTA this fall.

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UPDATE

 

Low Floor "Preliminary" proposal now complete.

 

High Floor "Phase 2" proposal complete. Modified specs with Allison Load-Based, and a review of a Detroit Diesel option.

 

Details to come late tonight or early tomorrow morning.

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UPDATE

 

Low Floor "Preliminary" proposal now complete.

 

High Floor "Phase 2" proposal complete. Modified specs with Allison Load-Based, and a review of a Detroit Diesel option.

 

Details to come late tonight or early tomorrow morning.

 

 

What does this mean? Has the BT&E order been accepted?

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What does this mean? Has the BT&E order been accepted?

 

 

No, the order will not be excepted until MTA has demo tested both models, and agrees to the terms, conditions and costs of the new buses. I will post the updates later on today.

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UPDATE

 

Low Floor "Preliminary" proposal now complete.

 

High Floor "Phase 2" proposal complete. Modified specs with Allison Load-Based, and a review of a Detroit Diesel option.

 

Details to come late tonight or early tomorrow morning.

 

 

If that happened, could have to start riding the express bus...

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MTA Bus Test & Evaluation Preliminary Specifications (Updated 5/22/12)

 

90 MTS RTS T42-209 "Express" : 42.5 foot, 49 seat high floor, 1 door suburban

EPA 2010 Cummins ISL-9

Allison B400R w/ LBSS

Thermo King roof mount HVAC

Hanover Displays "OL" model destination signs

4One suburban high-back seating

Vapor slide-glide door

Electronic fan drive & cooling system

LED stop, tail, auxiliary, marker, and turn signals

Classic RTS sealed beam headlamps

All wheel disk brakes (80,000 mile break life) with ABS

Lift-U front door wheelchair step-lift

 

 

90 MTS RTS T42-210 "Extreme" BRT : 42.5 foot, 41-43 seat (62 standee), low floor transit

EPA 2013 Cummins ISL-9 w/ a possible Detroit Diesel DD11 option

Allison B400R & ZF Ecolife mix (subject to change)

Thermo King roof mount HVAC

Hanover Displays OL & Luminator Titan destination sign mix (subject to change)

4One transit seating

Vapor slide-glide front door, "Class" sensing rear door. Slide-glide or classic swing type

Electronic fan drive & cooling system

LED stop, tail, auxiliary, marker, and turn signals

Classic RTS sealed beam headlamps

All wheel disk brakes with ABS

Lift-U front door swing out wheelchair ramp

 

Base BTE Proposal Specs

EPA 2013 Cummins ISL-9

Allison B400R w/LBSS

Hanover OL destination signs

Vapor slide-glide front door, "Class" sensing rear swing type door

42 Seats

 

 

Optional BTE Specs (subject to change)

Detroit Diesel DD11

ZF Ecolife

Carrier roof mount HVAC

Luminator Titan destination signs

Vapor slide-glide front door, "Class" sensing slide-glide rear door

41-44 seats

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Is "slide-glide" the classic RTS front door? (I thought that was "plug") Or do they all use the new-look style, double swing/rotate?

 

 

Pretty much the same as the doors on the Nova wide front door RTS. Plug type are classic like MTA's.

 

I'm looking forward to the HF RTS more than the LF. I wonder Why MTA decided to go with 42 ft instead of 40ft? Not much of a difference, but enough to ask the question.

 

 

With the HF you have 8 seats less than and MCI or Prevost, and with the LF you have up to 46 seats in a dense configuration, or 41-43 seats in a TA spec model. The bus market is saturated, instead of trying to directly compete with the 40 foot market, they have a bus that meets a growing demand in 2 different areas that are wide open. Especially the low floor, because now you can gain back all the seats you lost on a standard 40 LF.

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Pretty much the same as the doors on the Nova wide front door RTS. Plug type are classic like MTA's.

 

 

With the HF you have 8 seats less than and MCI or Prevost, and with the LF you have up to 46 seats in a dense configuration, or 41-43 seats in a TA spec model. The bus market is saturated, instead of trying to directly compete with the 40 foot market, they have a bus that meets a growing demand in 2 different areas that are wide open. Especially the low floor, because now you can gain back all the seats you lost on a standard 40 LF.

 

Well I hope everything goes well! Do you know of any TA ordering RTS other than the MTA and the company ordering 2090 buses?

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Well I hope everything goes well! Do you know of any TA ordering RTS other than the MTA and the company ordering 2090 buses?

 

 

There are a few other agencies lined up to take on some new buses as well, but MTS is waiting until the MTA order is done, as they want the buses spec'd similar when production ramps up.

 

The WFD's use the old new-look style doors. ("double swing/rotate").

 

 

They are similar, but not the same. The new looks used the original slide-glide doors. The WFD uses a slide/swing type.

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The first 21 MTS buses have the old classic mirror, which is no longer the standard spec. The last 15 buses off the line feature the new Roscoe brand mirrors which have a superior viewing area, and are also made in Flushing. These are the new standard, seen on the buses in the link below.

 

http://www.ttmg.org/pages/millennium/tamu-millennium.html

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Hopefully the units on order have a front end similar to the Texas A&M units...the ones on the first page are hideous lol....but its good that the roscoe mirror is now the standard option as the flat panel/convex combo is far better (visibility wise) than the one's currently installed.

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