East New York Posted September 6, 2011 Share #1 Posted September 6, 2011 Orion VII E10 "3G" $40,327,525 est. -75 standard configuration($442,572), ZF Ecolife 6AP1200B, Thermo King HVAC, reciprocating compressor, S-cam brakes -15 optional configuration($448,750),ZF Ecolife 6AP1200B, Thermo King HVAC, screw compressor, disk brakes. -$39,924,150 for 90 buses. -$287,315 for qualified testing, manuals, and diagnostic tools. -$45,000 for tailpipe emission profile testing. -$71,060 for training *Delivery In Progress • 7000-7029: Castleton • 7030-7059: Ulmer Park • 7060-7089: Queens Village Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted September 17, 2011 Share #2 Posted September 17, 2011 This is going to be interesting! I think the rear doors are the same height as the front doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNIGHTRIDER3:16 Posted September 17, 2011 Share #3 Posted September 17, 2011 I think every NEW bus should have A Pic to it cause I'm not to sure how these look. zthis ain't a Artic is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 18, 2011 Share #4 Posted September 18, 2011 I think every NEW bus should have A Pic to it cause I'm not to sure how these look.zthis ain't a Artic is it? Basically, its a newer and updated NG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted September 18, 2011 Share #5 Posted September 18, 2011 Is this bus STILL in the New Jersey area outside of the city? I like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted September 18, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted September 18, 2011 Is this bus STILL in the New Jersey area outside of the city? I like to know. Yes, it's in Jersey, and due in the city this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted September 20, 2011 Share #7 Posted September 20, 2011 Does any know the designation sign for the Orion VII E10 is using? I really hope for either the 2011 Luminator TITAN (Hoooo) or the Hanover LED (heehee). Minus the Axion or Horizon LED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted October 18, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 18, 2011 And two have been delivered (7000-7001). Let's the true test and voting BEGIN!!!! :cool::cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 18, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 18, 2011 And what does the front look like? Also curious if the inside has been laid out any differently??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted October 18, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 18, 2011 And what does the front look like? Also curious if the inside has been laid out any differently??? The front looks the same as the NG. The only thing is its all white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted October 18, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 18, 2011 And what does the front look like? Also curious if the inside has been laid out any differently??? http://nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32613 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 19, 2011 http://nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32613 UGH... Looks horrible... Bring back the blue stripe!!! PLEASE!! :eek::eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted October 19, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 19, 2011 UGH... Looks horrible... Bring back the blue stripe!!! PLEASE!! :eek::eek: The MTA really does not know what they want to do at all. At least make the MTA logo bigger or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 19, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 19, 2011 The MTA really does not know what they want to do at all. At least make the MTA logo bigger or something. They really don't... Notice that the doors are black on this bus and they've been painting all of the black doors white... Then they order all of the buses with that silver top or whatever that is over over the destination sign and then when they paint the buses, they paint that white, so why not just make it white to begin with? I mean I hate when they paint that part white. Makes the bus look cheesy. I also hate those windows. I think the other windows looked much better. Another thing that irks me is what is up with these new buses and them making it so difficult to open the windows? I mean some of those new buses don't have such great AC or the B/O doesn't put it on so there is no air circulating which means you're on a rank bus. Having the windows open allow for fresh air to come through and air out some of those buses with the stench of some folks so they need to make them easier to open again. :mad::mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted October 19, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 19, 2011 They really don't... Notice that the doors are black on this bus and they've been painting all of the black doors white... Looks like different door models on this order. Then they order all of the buses with that silver top or whatever that is over over the destination sign and then when they paint the buses, they paint that white, so why not just make it white to begin with? I mean I hate when they paint that part white. Makes the bus look cheesy. I'll agree with you on that. The metal plate is retarded. I also hate those windows. I think the other windows looked much better. Another thing that irks me is what is up with these new buses and them making it so difficult to open the windows? I mean some of those new buses don't have such great AC or the B/O doesn't put it on so there is no air circulating which means you're on a rank bus. Having the windows open allow for fresh air to come through and air out some of those buses with the stench of some folks so they need to make them easier to open again. :mad::mad: Now I have to disagree with you again. I like these windows on the VIIs. IMO, the framed windows work better with the scheme than the frameless would. It does come down to personal preference though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted October 19, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 19, 2011 Also don't forget that the MTA doesn't want to do frameless windows anymore although I do wonder what an Orion 5 with frameless windows would look like...but either way I don't think the original Orion 7s should have had frameless windows in the first place. I was thrown for a loop when I first saw them and they never caught on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted October 19, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 19, 2011 Do the drivers @ Castleton have to get trained again to operate the units? seeing as how its just the newer diesel version of the NGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted October 20, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 20, 2011 Do the drivers @ Castleton have to get trained again to operate the units? seeing as how its just the newer diesel version of the NGs Hopefully not, but the pros probably know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted October 20, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 20, 2011 Do the drivers @ Castleton have to get trained again to operate the units? seeing as how its just the newer diesel version of the NGs So are these 3Gs "hybrids"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted October 20, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 20, 2011 So are these 3Gs "hybrids"? No, straight diesel buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share #21 Posted October 21, 2011 They really don't... Notice that the doors are black on this bus and they've been painting all of the black doors white... Then they order all of the buses with that silver top or whatever that is over over the destination sign and then when they paint the buses, they paint that white, so why not just make it white to begin with? I mean I hate when they paint that part white. Makes the bus look cheesy. I also hate those windows. I think the other windows looked much better. Another thing that irks me is what is up with these new buses and them making it so difficult to open the windows? I mean some of those new buses don't have such great AC or the B/O doesn't put it on so there is no air circulating which means you're on a rank bus. Having the windows open allow for fresh air to come through and air out some of those buses with the stench of some folks so they need to make them easier to open again. :mad::mad: These new doors are made to go with the frame-less look, and frame-less windows. The are Vapor (Ricon) AmeriView windows, which the TA has never had on an Orion. See below about the windows. Also don't forget that the MTA doesn't want to do frameless windows anymore although I do wonder what an Orion 5 with frameless windows would look like...but either way I don't think the original Orion 7s should have had frameless windows in the first place. I was thrown for a loop when I first saw them and they never caught on. Framed windows cost less, and also are easier to replace because the whole fleet basically has them. Do the drivers @ Castleton have to get trained again to operate the units? seeing as how its just the newer diesel version of the NGs No they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 21, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 21, 2011 These new doors are made to go with the frame-less look, and frame-less windows. The are Vapor (Ricon) AmeriView windows, which the TA has never had on an Orion. See below about the windows. Framed windows cost less, and also are easier to replace because the whole fleet basically has them. Well that's smart, but why do they make the windows so hard to open now? I imagine part of the reason was a safety concern that they have them open the way that they do where no one can put their arm out or whatever, because there was a big to do over that, but that shouldn't mean that they're impossible to open. The way they have it now it's like you're intruding on folks to open the window because it's more complex to open them and noisy too. I opened one on the S54 a while back because it was so rank and man it was not an easy feat when you compare these new windows to say the windows on the 66XXs where you can just slide them open and be done... :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share #23 Posted October 21, 2011 Well that's smart, but why do they make the windows so hard to open now? I imagine part of the reason was a safety concern that they have them open the way that they do where no one can put their arm out or whatever, because there was a big to do over that, but that shouldn't mean that they're impossible to open. The way they have it now it's like you're intruding on folks to open the window because it's more complex to open them and noisy too. I opened one on the S54 a while back because it was so rank and man it was not an easy feat when you compare these new windows to say the windows on the 66XXs where you can just slide them open and be done... :eek: Because of the fact that all the buses are A/C equipped, they only have the top part made to be opened. I didn't know they were that hard to open though. I never had any issues with them. They also cost less, and are cheaper to maintain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 21, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 21, 2011 Because of the fact that all the buses are A/C equipped, they only have the top part made to be opened. I didn't know they were that hard to open though. I never had any issues with them. They also cost less, and are cheaper to maintain. lol.... I would imagine that they would be because no one can open them. Aside from that, the problem is that sometimes A/C isn't necessary, so the B/O will have nothing on. However, it is still hot enough or stuffy enough to have just a breeze from outside with the window open to get some fresh air. It's more of a sanitary issue than anything. I know it's not something the wants to talk about because I remember when there was a report about germs on the subway and how the denied it so as not to freak out the public, but sanitation is important to a degree, especially since these are buses that the public uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted October 21, 2011 Author Share #25 Posted October 21, 2011 lol.... I would imagine that they would be because no one can open them. Aside from that, the problem is that sometimes A/C isn't necessary, so the B/O will have nothing on. However, it is still hot enough or stuffy enough to have just a breeze from outside with the window open to get some fresh air. It's more of a sanitary issue than anything. I know it's not something the wants to talk about because I remember when there was a report about germs on the subway and how the denied it so as not to freak out the public, but sanitation is important to a degree, especially since these are buses that the public uses. Well, its a public bus, so it won't be the cleanest in the world anyway. And like I said, the windows open at the top, so you just have to deal with it the way it is pretty much. There are also roof vents you can open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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