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Dhurdle

Ideas for some of the train lines

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I got some Ideas here.

 

1 line: The 1 line runs down the Clark Street tunnel into Brooklyn, along with the 2 & 3 lines. It continues down Court Street, along with the 6 line. Then it Stops by Atlantic Avenue, Baltic Street, Union Street, 9th Street, continuing down 9th Street, it stops by Smith Street, & continues down 4th Avenue. Going down 4th Avenue, along with the 6, D, N, & R lines, it stops by Prospect Avenue, 25th Street, 36th Street, 45th Street, 53rd Street, 59th Street, Bay Ridge Avenue, 77th Street, 86th Street, & terminates at 95th Street.

 

2 line: It extends down Nostrand Avenue and makes stops at Avenue K, Avenue M, Kings Highway, Avenue P, Avenue U, Avenue X, & Voorhies Avenue.

 

3 line: After 145th Street, it continues into the Bronx along the 4 line going down River Avenue, terminating at Woodlawn-Jerome Avenue.

 

5 line: During Late Night Hours, Instead of stopping in The Bronx only, it also becomes a Local in Manhattan, which means it makes the same stops as the 6 line in Manhattan, from Canal Street to 125 Street. The 5 also extends down Nostrand Avenue along with the 2 line, making stops at Avenue K, Avenue M, Kings Highway, Avenue P, Avenue U, Avenue X, & Voorhies Avenue.

 

6 line: The 6 line runs down the Joralemon Street tunnel into Brooklyn, along with the 4 & 5 lines. It continues down Court Street, along with the 1 line. Then it Stops by Atlantic Avenue, Baltic Street, Union Street, 9th Street, continuing down 9th Street, it stops by Smith Street, & continues down 4th Avenue. Going down 4th Avenue, along with the 1, D, N, & R lines, it stops by Prospect Avenue, 25th Street, 36th Street, 45th Street, 53rd Street, 59th Street, Bay Ridge Avenue, 77th Street, 86th Street, & terminates at 95th Street.

 

7 line: After Times Square, it continues down Broadway in Manhattan, making stops by 34th Street-Herald Square, 28th Street, 23rd Street, 14th Street-Union Square, 8th Street-NYU, Prince Street, Canal Street, City Hall, Cortlandt Street, Rector Street, & Whitehall Street in Manhattan. Then in Brooklyn, in runs along with the N & R lines, stopping at Court Street-Borough Hall, Jay Street-MetroTech, DeKalb Avenue, Atlantic Avenue-Pacific Street, then it turns down Pacific Street to Smith Street & makes a turn down Smith Street, stopping at Bergen Street, and travels along with the F & G line from Bergen Street, terminating at Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue.

 

A line: The A can continue onto Broadway from 207th Street along with the 1 line. Then it continues all the way to Van Cortlandt Park.

 

B line: Continues with the Q line stopping at West 8th Street and Terminating at Coney Island.

 

C line: Goes down Broadway with the A line. Extending to Inwood-207 Street.

 

E line: Continues to make stops and follow along the C train, terminating at Euclid Avenue or Ozone Park.

 

G line: Extending to Manhattan, it goes down 34th Street, making stops at 2nd Avenue, Lexington Avenue, 5th Avenue, 34th Street-Herald Square (B,D,F,M,N,Q,R), 34th Street-Penn Station (1,2,3,LIRR,NJT,AMTRK), 8th Avenue (A,C,E), and terminates at 11th Avenue. Also, the G continues down McDonald Avenue along with the F line, and the G terminates at Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue. The G can also terminate at Church Avenue sometimes.

L line: After 8th Avenue - 14th Street, The L continues up 8th Avenue, stopping at 23rd Street, 34th Street-Penn Station, 42nd Street-Port Authority, 50th Street, & after 50th Street, it continues up 8th Avenue and makes a turn down 53rd Street, stopping at 7th Avenue (B,D,E), 5th Avenue-53rd Street, & terminates at Lexington Avenue-53rd Street, meeting up with the E & M lines.

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The numbered lines (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(6) & (7) and the lettered lines (A) (:((C)(D)(E)(F)(G)(J)(L)(M)(N)(Q)(R)(T) & (Z) can't run together. BMT/IND standards are different from IRT standards, and the (G) idea to Manhattan is stupid. The (G) is a crosstown line. That means it's a line that is supposed to avoid Manhattan at all times.

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As mentioned, the (G) to 34th Street is ridiculous, as there would be extensive delays along the 6th Avenue (:((D)(F)(M) lines.

 

Extending the (E) to Ozone Park would make the line too long.

 

You can't have both the (B) and the (Q) terminating at Stillwell Avenue.

 

The (2) is long enough, even as an express in Manhattan.

 

No offense, Dhurdle but you should really study the system more and understand how the lines work.

 

I am not bashing you in any way.

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Guest lance25

@Dhurdle: For the most part, your ideas aren't all that useful.

 

Track sharing issues aside, all your expansion ideas either put a strain on the rest of the system because you're sending trains into tunnels or onto tracks that are already at or near capacity, or they either overlap existing lines or they run through areas that wouldn't see much ridership.

 

As for the (G), and, I'm not trying to come off as rude or anything, it's called the "Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown Line" for a reason. It's not the "Manhattan-Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown Line" or the "Staten Island-Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown Line" or the "XYZ-Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown Line". It's supposed to run from Brooklyn to Queens, Queens to Brooklyn. No Manhattan, no Staten Island; just Queens and Brooklyn.

 

Again, lest anyone say I'm bashing the new guy, I'm not trying to dissuade creativity or innovative ideas. It's just these aren't really good ideas.

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I do find it annoying that there isn't a subway line that runs from Brooklyn to the Bronx. When I need to go up there I have to take one long ride through Manhattan. That is the annoying thing about our subway. They all end up going through Manhattan when you need to go somewhere else quickly.

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What are you going to do? You can't change the way the city or the transit system was developed. Like it or not, Manhattan is, and always has been, the CBD with riders commuting from the outer boroughs into Manhattan. Now that obviously isn't the case for everyone, but folks like you are in the vast minority.

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Most of the good criticism has been taken already, so instead I'll play devil's advocate a bit and jump to the OP's defense. :(

 

Since the 4th Avenue Line is at or close to capacity, well past the point where the (1) and (6) would be able to fit there anyway, perhaps the 1 and 6 could instead serve the line on a separate level (or along either 3rd or 5th instead), allowing them to serve the same stations as the (D)(N)(R) but on separate tracks.

 

Also, just because the (G) is called the Brooklyn-Queens Crosstown right now doesn't mean it can't be extended somewhere else. The (Mx) used to be called a Nassau Street Local, and now it's a 6th Avenue Local instead.

 

That being said, even on a fantasy level, most of these ideas just don't really work.

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It's just not a good idea. Fourth Avenue is fine, and would be better served if the (W) ran down there if it's ever brought back. Otherwise Fourth Avenue should be left alone. The better idea would be to bring the (1), and (6) to create the Atlantic Avenue Subway which has been in planning for a long time, but hasn't been built.

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alright fine they should connect the tunnel from Fulton St (G), and Lafayette Avenue (A)(C) and connect them to Atlantic Avenue-Pacific St (2)(3)(4)(5)(:)(D)(N)(Q)(R) so it can be.

 

(2)(3)(4)(5)(A)(B)(C)(D)(G)(N)(Q)(R)

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If you're going to extend the (L) going uptown in Manhattan, here's how I would do it as a 10th-Amsterdam Avenue Line:

 

After 8th Avenue, the (L) makes a gradual right turn, going at an angle to get to 10th Avenue. Stops would probably be (with these stations built for an eventual extension of all Canarsie Line stations to at least 10 cars):

 

23rd Street (exits at 20th and 23rd)

 

34th Street (exits at 31st, 33rd and 34th)

 

41st Street (transfer to (7) if 10th Avenue station is eventually built for the (7), exits at 41st, 42nd and 44th Streets).

 

57th Street (exits at 55th, 57th and 58th Streets)

 

66th Street (exits at 65th and 66th Streets)

 

72nd Street-Broadway (terminal under Broadway-7th Avenue line), transfer to (1)/(2)/(3), exits via Broadway line at 72nd Street, additional exit for (L) only at 75th Street).

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If you're going to extend the (L) going uptown in Manhattan, here's how I would do it as a 10th-Amsterdam Avenue Line:

 

After 8th Avenue, the (L) makes a gradual right turn, going at an angle to get to 10th Avenue. Stops would probably be (with these stations built for an eventual extension of all Canarsie Line stations to at least 10 cars):

 

23rd Street (exits at 20th and 23rd)

 

34th Street (exits at 31st, 33rd and 34th)

 

41st Street (transfer to (7) if 10th Avenue station is eventually built for the (7), exits at 41st, 42nd and 44th Streets).

 

57th Street (exits at 55th, 57th and 58th Streets)

 

66th Street (exits at 65th and 66th Streets)

 

72nd Street-Broadway (terminal under Broadway-7th Avenue line), transfer to (1)/(2)/(3), exits via Broadway line at 72nd Street, additional exit for (L) only at 75th Street).

 

 

 

"How about no you crazy Dutch Bastard"

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How about just keep the dang system how it is and not change it. It works GREAT how it is now

 

lol.

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There should be a sticky thread or a separate board where fantasy-related discussions *fictional routes, extensions, etc.) would go.

 

Especially all those map threads thrown around this time last year.

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lol.

 

am I wrong? you really think a lot of these fantasy suggestions which dont take into account the actual track layout or the difficulty of constructing new lines are better?

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