RailBus63 Posted November 10, 2011 Share #76 Posted November 10, 2011 Why is MTA testing a bus model that is likely to be discontinued in the not-too-distant future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share #77 Posted November 10, 2011 Yes lol There is too much going on! I can hardly keep up! lol Why is MTA testing a bus model that is likely to be discontinued in the not-too-distant future? That one is like a riddle. So you have to ask yourself this one. Why is the MTA about to take delivery of an already discontinued bus? C40LF* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlcohen Posted November 10, 2011 Share #78 Posted November 10, 2011 New Flyer can deliver the DE60LFR, a quality bus, in a reasonable amount of time, and the MTA needs new artics. I don't see a problem if this model is discontinued in the next couple of years or so. Parts, etc. will still be available. The only part that's a bit weird is this order is part of the test fleet evaluation. So, the MTA, will be testing a model that may not be available once the evaluation is completed. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share #79 Posted November 10, 2011 New Flyer can deliver the DE60LFR, a quality bus, in a reasonable amount of time, and the MTA needs new artics. I don't see a problem if this model is discontinued in the next couple of years or so. Parts, etc. will still be available. The only part that's a bit weird is this order is part of the test fleet evaluation. So, the MTA, will be testing a model that may not be available once the evaluation is completed. :confused: Not really weird at all. MTA is evaluating artic hybrids for the first time. If they decided they wanted more after the eval. is complete, I'm sure NFI would be more than willing to accommodate the TA. Not only that, but this also gives them a chance to operate and evaluate the Allison hybrid system which is available on the Nova. Even though it has been said that NFI will discontinue the LFR at the end of 2012, I DO NOT see that happening at all. Yes, they will try to get people to migrate over to the Xcelsior platform, but I don't see it going the way they are said to be planning it. They will be building LF's for MTA through 2012, and possibly 2013. They may also be building LFR's for LACMTA through 2015. To date, I don't know of any agency they have submitted proposals to for XN40's. (Xcelsior CNG's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted November 11, 2011 Share #80 Posted November 11, 2011 Not really weird at all. MTA is evaluating artic hybrids for the first time. If they decided they wanted more after the eval. is complete, I'm sure NFI would be more than willing to accommodate the TA. Not only that, but this also gives them a chance to operate and evaluate the Allison hybrid system which is available on the Nova. Even though it has been said that NFI will discontinue the LFR at the end of 2012, I DO NOT see that happening at all. Yes, they will try to get people to migrate over to the Xcelsior platform, but I don't see it going the way they are said to be planning it. They will be building LF's for MTA through 2012, and possibly 2013. They may also be building LFR's for LACMTA through 2015. To date, I don't know of any agency they have submitted proposals to for XN40's. (Xcelsior CNG's) what does the XN40 look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted November 12, 2011 Author Share #81 Posted November 12, 2011 what does the XN40 look like? Just like the XN60, but a 40 footer. I was also informed that Culver ordered 20 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted December 16, 2011 Share #82 Posted December 16, 2011 Nice.. and very interesting. I thought the MTA had an issue with the LFR design though? wow indeedy All this time, with all the futuristic alphanumeric coded new model names being tossed around; it was upon just reading the MTA Bus Operations Fleet & Depots thread that I realized that this was the Flyer low floor articulated being back on the table.I remembered years ago, they avoided it, and it and the NABI were at the time the only models left, and wanted neither. From the pictures I'm seeing, does this have a remodeled front? I remember the front originally being the same as the HF version. This one looks like a cross between the Orion NG/3G and that other new Flyer design (XD...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted December 16, 2011 Author Share #83 Posted December 16, 2011 All this time, with all the futuristic alphanumeric coded new model names being tossed around; it was upon just reading the MTA Bus Operations Fleet & Depots thread that I realized that this was the Flyer low floor articulated being back on the table.I remembered years ago, they avoided it, and it and the NABI were at the time the only models left, and wanted neither. From the pictures I'm seeing, does this have a remodeled front? I remember the front originally being the same as the HF version. This one looks like a cross between the Orion NG/3G and that other new Flyer design (XD...). Yes, the MTA did not want the D60LF's at all. Nova also offered artics at the time, but MTA was not working with them then. The "R" in LFR stands for restyled. The buses will either be standard, or BRT versions as seen below. DE60LFR DE60LFR BRT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted December 16, 2011 Share #84 Posted December 16, 2011 Is there a proposed Hybrid Powertrain for this beauty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted December 16, 2011 Share #85 Posted December 16, 2011 Oh, so it's an altogether different model, then. What's the difference between standard and BRT? Is it just the number of doors, or are there other differences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus Guy Posted December 17, 2011 Share #86 Posted December 17, 2011 Oh, so it's an altogether different model, then.What's the difference between standard and BRT? Is it just the number of doors, or are there other differences? Same model, just a different option show aka the roof shroud avilable on any LFR model above 35 ft in length. As for the doors its 2 or 3 and I believe, if wanted left side doors can be added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPotPie Posted December 17, 2011 Share #87 Posted December 17, 2011 Oh, so it's an altogether different model, then.What's the difference between standard and BRT? Is it just the number of doors, or are there other differences? The differences are mostly cosmetic and up to the customer. Two doors, three doors, or five doors(two on the left side); roof cowling or AC and batteries exposed; hybrid, straight diesel, CNG, or trackless trolley; framed windows or frameless windows; etc. are all options that can be decided by the customer. I didn't even know that there is an official BRT option for the 60LFR buses; I assumed that the DE60LFRs on KCM's RapidRide B were just ordinary DE60LFRs customized to resemble the DE60LFAs, the official BRT model that KCM had wanted(and has for its RapidRide A route) but New Flyer discontinued prior to the route's opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted December 18, 2011 Share #88 Posted December 18, 2011 Is there a proposed Hybrid Powertrain for this beauty? Picks are probably between the BAE system, or the Allison system, but iirc, someone mentioned in a post elsewhere in the forum that the MTA wants to test out the Allison system and see how it stacks up to service in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share #89 Posted December 20, 2011 Picks are probably between the BAE system, or the Allison system, but iirc, someone mentioned in a post elsewhere in the forum that the MTA wants to test out the Allison system and see how it stacks up to service in the city. Yes, they offer Allison and BAE, and MTA wants to evaluate the Allison system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted February 10, 2012 Share #90 Posted February 10, 2012 Does anyone know if the DE60LFR sold out and went with the plastic body panels like the Nova's? or are they sticking to the steel body panels like the D60HF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share #91 Posted February 11, 2012 Does anyone know if the DE60LFR sold out and went with the plastic body panels like the Nova's? or are they sticking to the steel body panels like the D60HF? The LFR's are steel IIRC, but the Xcelsiors are carbon steel, composite and plastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted February 18, 2012 Share #92 Posted February 18, 2012 Michael J. Quill - #1000-1029 (30) (July 2012-September 2012) Kingsbridge - #1030-1059 (30) (September 2012-October 2012) Tuskegee (100th Street) - #1060-1089 (30) (November 2012-December 2012) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted February 18, 2012 Share #93 Posted February 18, 2012 Michael J. Quill - #1000-1029 (30) (July 2012-September 2012) Kingsbridge - #1030-1059 (30) (September 2012-October 2012) Tuskegee (100th Street) - #1060-1089 (30) (November 2012-December 2012) 1000-series New Flyers DE60LFRs carrying 1000-series New Flyer D60HF numbers. Great. They'll make their older New Flyer siblings proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted February 18, 2012 Share #94 Posted February 18, 2012 Thats gonna be some time. No pilot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted February 19, 2012 Author Share #95 Posted February 19, 2012 Thats gonna be some time. No pilot? 1000 and another one will be pilots. Up to 4 pilots are possible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted March 7, 2012 Share #96 Posted March 7, 2012 Order delayed until 2013. There may be a MAJOR change in this order. Please stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothian Posted March 7, 2012 Share #97 Posted March 7, 2012 Uh? XDE60s maybe then? Looking forward to more info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Local Posted March 8, 2012 Share #98 Posted March 8, 2012 Can't wait to see those New Flyer DE60LFRs! They should be sexy looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share #99 Posted March 11, 2012 Uh? XDE60s maybe then? Looking forward to more info! At this time it seems that everything with NFI artics is up in the air. However, if there are still going to be two artic orders, I am pretty sure they won't both be Xcelsior orders. If they are, there would have to be a 1 year gap in order and delivery as the model has not passed the shaker, or been validated through the BTE program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted March 11, 2012 Share #100 Posted March 11, 2012 Lawd, someone boobooed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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