Westchester Bus Rapid Transit recommended hours of operation (includes Yonkers Raceway short turns)

[GreatOne2k]

http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/pdfs/BRT_FinalReport.pdf

 

Page 53 - Table 4-2 the recommended hours of service for the new BRT are:

 

Monday - Thursday 6 AM to 10 PM - 10 minutes

Friday 6 AM to 12 AM - 10 minutes

Saturday 8 AM to 10 PM - (BRT service only between Bedford Park & Yonkers Raceway 10 PM 12 AM) 10 minutes

Sunday 9 AM to 9 PM - 10 minutes

 

Notice even the BRT is going to have two hours on Saturday only going between Yonkers Raceway and the Bronx. Guess it would be too much service to run to White Plains for another two hours.

[qjtransitmaster]

http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/pdfs/BRT_FinalReport.pdf

 

Page 53 - Table 4-2 the recommended hours of service for the new BRT are:

 

Monday - Thursday 6 AM to 10 PM - 10 minutes

Friday 6 AM to 12 AM - 10 minutes

Saturday 8 AM to 10 PM - (BRT service only between Bedford Park & Yonkers Raceway 10 PM 12 AM) 10 minutes

Sunday 9 AM to 9 PM - 10 minutes

 

Notice even the BRT is going to have two hours on Saturday only going between Yonkers Raceway and the Bronx. Guess it would be too much service to run to White Plains for another two hours.

 

It's still WAY BETTER THAN THE JOKE THAT IS THE 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mark1447]

It's still WAY BETTER THAN THE JOKE THAT IS THE 21!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I dont see the 21 as a joke compared to the 20 with all those Cross County people getting access and packing the bus.

 

The 21 is so far what i'd pick over the 20(even tho it sucks rush hour only), but when the new BRT service comes in to yank the 21, it would be even better.

 

But based on the documents here, it looks like all buses ill stop at the Cross County. Hopefully things improve.

[Shortline Bus]

I dont see the 21 as a joke compared to the 20 with all those Cross County people getting access and packing the bus.

 

The 21 is so far what i'd pick over the 20(even tho it sucks rush hour only), but when the new BRT service comes in to yank the 21, it would be even better.

 

But based on the documents here, it looks like all buses ill stop at the Cross County. Hopefully things improve.

 

 

Actually Beeline management is working with NYSDOT/County to bulid a new walkway bridge(across I-87/NY Thruway) on the *southbound* Central Ave at Cross County stop so that Bronx-bound BRT buses do not have to stop at the mall. " All Local" buses would still at Cross County, if this walkway is bulit.

If not then all BRT and Local #20 and #21 would stop at the mall.

 

 

 

And the proposed hours of this new #20/#21 BRT service is almost the same as the Albany's CDTA recently newly started BRT service which runs between Downtown Albany(NY state captial)and Schenectady along Route 5(that region version of say NJ Route 4 or Westchester's Central Ave coordior.)

[FamousNYLover]

It would be perfect is this Bee-Line BRT operates during Thanksgiving and Christmas, well as W60, W61, W12 to/from HPN only, etc.

[GreatOne2k]

I dont see the 21 as a joke compared to the 20 with all those Cross County people getting access and packing the bus.

 

The 21 is so far what i'd pick over the 20(even tho it sucks rush hour only), but when the new BRT service comes in to yank the 21, it would be even better.

 

But based on the documents here, it looks like all buses ill stop at the Cross County. Hopefully things improve.

 

21 now runs 7 days a week, outside of rush hours it only runs to/from Cross County (or from Yonkers Raceway weekend evenings)

[GreatOne2k]

It would be perfect is this Bee-Line BRT operates during Thanksgiving and Christmas, well as W60, W61, W12 to/from HPN only, etc.

 

W12 and W61 running on Thanksgiving and Christmas lol

 

Well W12 does have Sunday service (with weak ridership), W61 would never run on Thanksgiving and Christmas anyway, Sunday schedule would be used, W61 doesn't run on Sundays.

 

W2, W20, W42, W60 should be the Thanksgiving / Christmas service using their Sunday schedules

 

If the W40 ran to/from 241 St more (at least some of the run offs and put ins on weekdays), maybe the W20 would have some more relief.

 

The last W60 on weekdays needs to be extended to Fordham, this would get some people off the W20.

[qjtransitmaster]

It would be perfect is this Bee-Line BRT operates during Thanksgiving and Christmas, well as W60, W61, W12 to/from HPN only, etc.

 

dude seriously the W61 carries air most of the time when in westchester except rush hr when metro-north local service gets truncated within westchester and gets fragmented to the point where the bus becomes useful but make no mistake the 61 is forever in the shadow of the metro-north If those rush hr trains ran the full route rather than several short turns then the 61 would be on life support.

[Orion]

dude seriously the W61 carries air most of the time when in westchester except rush hr when metro-north local service gets truncated within westchester and gets fragmented to the point where the bus becomes useful but make no mistake the 61 is forever in the shadow of the metro-north If those rush hr trains ran the full route rather than several short turns then the 61 would be on life support.

 

I live along Route 61, you're from Brooklyn, so let me ask you one question.

 

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR DAMN MIND?!

 

So many transit fans on the other side of the freaking city swear they know everything about a bus just by riding it a couple of times.

 

That bus is useful and many wish that line actually ran more. That bus doesn't run anywhere near Metro North in the Bronx, except Fordham station, and it picks up a pretty fair amount of passengers in Westchester County as well. I for one NEED this bus, and many others rely on it as well. Route 60 is a Metro North alternate, and do you ever see that bus empty? They have actually added weekend service to that line due to ridership. Both Route 60 and Route 61 are vital lines in Westchester and the Bronx. Please sit your Brooklyn a$$ down.

[FamousNYLover]

I agree.

Even thought I taken W61 once to catch W76 Loop, it carried good amounts of passenger. (It was close to midday) by the time it reach Rye Station.)

[FamousNYLover]

It always make me dizzy when I happened to get on W20 trip via Cross County Shopping Center.

[GreatOne2k]

I live along Route 61, you're from Brooklyn, so let me ask you one question.

 

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR DAMN MIND?!

 

So many transit fans on the other side of the freaking city swear they know everything about a bus just by riding it a couple of times.

 

That bus is useful and many wish that line actually ran more. That bus doesn't run anywhere near Metro North in the Bronx, except Fordham station, and it picks up a pretty fair amount of passengers in Westchester County as well. I for one NEED this bus, and many others rely on it as well. Route 60 is a Metro North alternate, and do you ever see that bus empty? They have actually added weekend service to that line due to ridership. Both Route 60 and Route 61 are vital lines in Westchester and the Bronx. Please sit your Brooklyn a$$ down.

 

Don't forget about Route 62 as well!

[GreatOne2k]

dude seriously the W61 carries air most of the time when in westchester except rush hr when metro-north local service gets truncated within westchester and gets fragmented to the point where the bus becomes useful but make no mistake the 61 is forever in the shadow of the metro-north If those rush hr trains ran the full route rather than several short turns then the 61 would be on life support.

 

Funny this reasoning sounds a lot like what dadbo46 (Richard L Stiller) from bee line uses in order to not run any additional W40 buses to/from 241 St. Notice how being next to Metro North makes the bus service needed only during rush hours?

 

http://www.straphangers.org/diaries/ubbthreads.php/topics/422113/R-7%20SEPTA%20Local#Post422126

 

Though the 60 minute off peak headways don't exactly encourage W61 ridership when it is split up from the W60.

[FamousNYLover]

Oh, yeah!

I have taken W62 twice or quadruple, and it carried good amount of passengers, even with bet. New Rochelle and White Plains on I-95.

[mark1447]

I see that this BRT could get called the Queen Bee Rapid on page 56.

 

21 now runs 7 days a week, outside of rush hours it only runs to/from Cross County (or from Yonkers Raceway weekend evenings)

I wonder if the 21 does local service when heading to the Cross Country, because it was formally a short turn 20.

 

dude seriously the W61 carries air most of the time when in westchester except rush hr when metro-north local service gets truncated within westchester and gets fragmented to the point where the bus becomes useful but make no mistake the 61 is forever in the shadow of the metro-north If those rush hr trains ran the full route rather than several short turns then the 61 would be on life support.

 

I actually agree with Orion here, ride it more before making final answer.. Thats how people are.. Its like if you never been on something, one person ill be like its terrible, but others disagree.

 

Im an active 60/61 riders when i had to Westchester. and the 61 is a heavy route. It DOES begin to feel light when you head into Larch and directly to Port Chester, but even that doesn't l mean its a light route. Its mainly heavey from Fordham to New Rochelle. Yes it does interline with the New Haven Line but that doesn't mean that it has low ridership.. NHL in the Bronx is far from US Route 1 where the 60/61/62 run.. Even in Westchester it is also a bit far, in most spot!

 

62 Is another heavy route as well during the rush hours, picking up folks off Westchester Avenue/I287. Tho not as heavy as the 60 but still fair enough.

 

Just ride the route more, before judging.

[PATCOman]

plus the 61 serves a more residental part of New Rochelle, but the 60 does not.

[BeeLine256]

if bee line does the BRT route and they get BRT buses are they going to put rest of the articulated buses on different routes like the Neoplan's.

[qjtransitmaster]

I live along Route 61, you're from Brooklyn, so let me ask you one question.

 

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR DAMN MIND?!

 

So many transit fans on the other side of the freaking city swear they know everything about a bus just by riding it a couple of times.

 

That bus is useful and many wish that line actually ran more. That bus doesn't run anywhere near Metro North in the Bronx, except Fordham station, and it picks up a pretty fair amount of passengers in Westchester County as well. I for one NEED this bus, and many others rely on it as well. Route 60 is a Metro North alternate, and do you ever see that bus empty? They have actually added weekend service to that line due to ridership. Both Route 60 and Route 61 are vital lines in Westchester and the Bronx. Please sit your Brooklyn a$$ down.

dude did I say I know everything ehh no but i know 61 is a good rte especially at rush hr ohh I know its bronx segment is very important and 60 acts like a crosstown between new rochelle and white plains so it is definately NOT a metro-north alternative as much as the 61. FYI In one of my ideas area segments around 61 actually do gain service well due to segment transfers but still like an unintended enhancement via modifying other lines now get out of my way. FYI I was talking about westchester ridership.

[B35 via Church]

I kinda get what QJT's sayin, but to say the 61 carries air is goin too far..... He's solely judging the overall route's ridership on it's northern end (north of Mamaroneck), which isn't fair.... On the bronx end, all those BL-6x routes get packed, large in part b/c it's cheaper than MNRR, and there's a void in NYCT service along Boston rd....

 

Just b/c you see more artics on the 60 over the 61, doesn't mean the 61 carries light along the entire route....

 

 

Actually Beeline management is working with NYSDOT/County to bulid a new walkway bridge(across I-87/NY Thruway) on the *southbound* Central Ave at Cross County stop so that Bronx-bound BRT buses do not have to stop at the mall. " All Local" buses would still at Cross County, if this walkway is bulit.

 

Long overdue IMO....

 

Bronx bound buses easily lose 10 mins. from the time they make the left turn off central pk av (SB) to approach the mall... to the time they get back on that same SB side.....

 

Whenever I'm in White plains & feel like taking the bus back, I don't take the 20 anywore.... I just deal w/ the 1w.... plus the ride on the is nicer anyway; less nzzzz isht you have to put up with (as opposed to the )

[GreatOne2k]

I kinda get what QJT's sayin, but to say the 61 carries air is goin too far..... He's solely judging the overall route's ridership on it's northern end (north of Mamaroneck), which isn't fair.... On the bronx end, all those BL-6x routes get packed, large in part b/c it's cheaper than MNRR, and there's a void in NYCT service along Boston rd....

 

Just b/c you see more artics on the 60 over the 61, doesn't mean the 61 carries light along the entire route....

 

 

 

 

Long overdue IMO....

 

Bronx bound buses easily lose 10 mins. from the time they make the left turn off central pk av (SB) to approach the mall... to the time they get back on that same SB side.....

 

Whenever I'm in White plains & feel like taking the bus back, I don't take the 20 anywore.... I just deal w/ the 1w.... plus the ride on the is nicer anyway; less nzzzz isht you have to put up with (as opposed to the )

 

 

On Sundays will you use the 60 since the 1W isn't running then?

 

The other option is the 40 to the 42 transfer if you feel like walking.

[B35 via Church]

On Sundays will you use the 60 since the 1W isn't running then?

 

The other option is the 40 to the 42 transfer if you feel like walking.

In general:

 

- I'd rather deal w/ the 1w over the 20, the 40, and the 60....

- the 60 over the 20 & the 40

- the 20 over the 40 (and that's only b/c I don't feel like riding the full [basically] to get back to brooklyn... taking the end to end is much more tolerable than takin the )

 

 

Not that I go into westchester on a sunday anyway, but if I had to go to white plains, it would be via the MNRR going... and coming (back)....

[Shortline Bus]

In general:

 

- I'd rather deal w/ the 1w over the 20, the 40, and the 60....

- the 60 over the 20 & the 40

- the 20 over the 40 (and that's only b/c I don't feel like riding the full [basically] to get back to brooklyn... taking the end to end is much more tolerable than takin the )

 

 

Not that I go into westchester on a sunday anyway, but if I had to go to white plains, it would be via the MNRR going... and coming (back)....

 

 

Even right now the BL-20/21 should have all day 'limited stop' service along Central Ave at least Mondays-Saturdays until 8pm. Buliding a walkway bridge from southbound Central Ave-Cross County Mall over I-87/Thruway would help alot in speeding service.

 

If that bridge (which hopefully will be ADA acessible)was around right now, I would create '3' branches of the #20/#21 each running every 20-30 minutes (every 5-10 minutes along Central Ave between Cross County and Bedford Park). First I would I would have all 'limited' Bronx-bound #20X's from White Plains bypass the mall at all times other than when the mall is closing 8-11pm. Second I would create a #21 Local that would operates as the full #20 Local does now on almost every trips between Between Bedford Park and WP via Cross County. Third local service between Cross County and Bedford Park serving those going to both the Mall and Casino/Yonkers Raceway.

 

With a #20X bypassing the mall, instead Cross County riders would use short turn #20/21 or #21 Local to get to get to Bedford Park instead. For those coming from White Plains, they can transfer also for the #25 at Midland Ave as well as use that walkway.

Stopping at Cross County for Bedford Park bound-#20 is a killer and does add as much as 10-15 minutes travel time which on a Saturday can be brutal.B)

[FamousNYLover]

On Bee-Line buses website, they`re installing TSP along Central Av corridor.

 

I wish BRT could expand to Westchester County Airport, that give one seat ride.

[GreatOne2k]

In general:

 

- I'd rather deal w/ the 1w over the 20, the 40, and the 60....

- the 60 over the 20 & the 40

- the 20 over the 40 (and that's only b/c I don't feel like riding the full [basically] to get back to brooklyn... taking the end to end is much more tolerable than takin the )

 

 

Not that I go into westchester on a sunday anyway, but if I had to go to white plains, it would be via the MNRR going... and coming (back)....

 

 

You can always transfer from the to the (or on weekdays)

 

Too bad the 3 couldn't run outside of rush hours, much better than the 1W because of the EXPRESS run.

[B35 via Church]

You can always transfer from the to the (or on weekdays)

 

Too bad the 3 couldn't run outside of rush hours, much better than the 1W because of the EXPRESS run.

 

Yes, I know.... but to be frank, I'd rather not deal w/ the 2 in the bronx period....

 

...and yes, I also think the BL-3 should run outside the rush.... maybe a midday run or two.....

But since that's not the case, I take the 1W - and have no second-thoughts about it either...