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Roadcruiser1

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He is a troll. One minute he calls the Eighth Avenue Line riders fat, and now he's picking on Brighton. Believe me he's only a big foamer. He likes the 60 foot cars not, because of their speed, but because almost all NTT trains that exist in the NYC Subway System are at that length. All the old trains are 75 footers. See the foam.

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He is a troll. One minute he calls the Eighth Avenue Line riders fat, and now he's picking on Brighton. Believe me he's only a big foamer. He likes the 60 foot cars not, because of their speed, but because almost all NTT trains that exist in the NYC Subway System are at that length. All the old trains are 75 footers. See the foam.

 

The R32s are 75 ft long?

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He is a troll. One minute he calls the Eighth Avenue Line riders fat, and now he's picking on Brighton. Believe me he's only a big foamer. He likes the 60 foot cars not, because of their speed, but because almost all NTT trains that exist in the NYC Subway System are at that length. The old trains like the , R-46, R-68, R-68Aare 75 footers, except the R-32s and R-42s which are 60 feet long See the foam.

 

I just corrected you in red, You're welcome.

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3. And to defend 68A's on the (:), its people don't know how to stop them or operate aggressive with them. I actually keep up with 160s, not because of pure top speed, but because of how late I brake with them (the 160 in front of me is actually braking earlier in the station).

 

This is so true.I personally think the 68/A's have the best brakes b\c when they brake its really smooth but a grip feeling unlike the rest of the subway cars except the 32's they all tend to slide but slightly grip especially the 46's.

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IMHO, the only good express runs in the entire system are on the Seventh Avenue, Flushing, and Queens Boulevard Lines. New York City Transit really knows how to destroy the purpose of express trains and here are some ways they are doing that:

 

1. R46s and R68/68As, which are the fattest and slowest cars in the system, being assigned to the (A)(B)(D), which by sheer coincidence have among the longest express sections of all trains in the system. They really kill the runs on Brighton, 4th Avenue, 8th Avenue/Central Park West, and Fulton Street. The "dash" between 34th Street-Herald Square and West 4th Street-Washington Square is the only place where the B and D can go past 45 MPH and the Jamaica Bay crossing on the A is faster than its Brooklyn and Manhattan sections. The (C)(F)(M)(N)(Q) local trains, which happen to use the two fastest cars in the system (R32s and R160s), can outrun their express counterparts in service until they reach a local station.

 

2. The (Q) constantly being held at 34th Street-Herald Square and/or Prince Street to let the (N) or (R) that it just passed by go through first, effectively canceling out any time the Broadway Express saves and making people run back and forth between trains, which can be funny sometimes.

 

3. For some unexplained reason, the (4)(5) have lately been running much slower than normal in Manhattan, especially Brooklyn-bound trains between 59th Street and 14th Street-Union Square. They normally run 40+ MPH, but now barely top 20. The (6) is faster than them for pete's sake. The slow down cannot have resulted from construction since there are no track workers and trains do not honk or run at restricted speed.

 

4. New York City Transit's refusal to implement express service on lines where they definitely could be used, particularly the Jamaica and West End Lines. From my experience, whenever the (N) gets rerouted via West End Express, it is more crowded than the (D). Hopefully, once the station renovations are completed, NYCT will consider adding revenue express service there (it is not that hard. They just run more D trains that alternate between express and local. There are plenty of spare cars to do that). The (J)(Z) express run between Myrtle and Marcy Avenues, while unique, is lame (I have a video of this run on YouTube titled "Railfanning on the Jamaica Express." It was one of my first mass transit videos shot over four years ago). It saves no more than 90 seconds from the local and train sometimes get held at Hewes Street to let the (M) go through first. This only doubles the waiting time for riders at the three stations the express trains bypass. Skip-stop service definitely needs to be expanded to operate during the full rush hour frames and in both directions. People fear riding the J because it is an all local route. They would transfer to the (E) at Sutphin Boulevard or (A) at Broadway Junction due to their express runs in Queens and Brooklyn, respectively, even if this tactic does not save time.

 

5. If you think a train that normally runs local is rerouted to express due to construction saves time, think again. Due to workers and work trains on the adjacent tracks, trains often have to run less than 10 MPH in most or all of the express sections, in turn making it slower than its normal local service and requiring everyone to allow additional travel time even if their stop is not being bypassed.

 

There are two unique express/local points in the system. The (Q) is the only service to stop at a station on weekdays, but skip it on nights and weekends (49th Street). It is usually the other way around since trains traditionally ran express on weekdays, but local on nights and weekends. On the Queens Boulevard Line east of 71st Avenue, the (E) runs express and the (F) runs local on weekdays, but during overnight hours west of 71st Avenue, it is the other way around.

 

There are some great local routes in the system, however (I do not feel like posting in the "best local" thread since it is about the same basic thing as this one). They include:

 

1. Brighton Line: the R160s on the (Q) make the local run fun since they can easily top 30 MPH despite the close distance between distance. I learned to appreciate the local only service and not whine about loss of express. It only takes 25-30 minutes to get from DeKalb Avenue to Sheepshead Bay. The R68/68As on the (B), though, are a completely different story. They can barely hit 20 MPH before having to slow down for the next station. That is why I hated riding the Q when it used those cars.

 

2. 8th Avenue and Fulton Street Lines: the lightweight R32s and shorter-than-normal trains on the (C) make the local-only route quite fast, even faster than the (A) sometimes.

 

3. The IRT Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line north of 96th Street is also very fast and has some unique features like the Broadway Bridge and 125th Street viaduct.

 

4. Local trains on the entire Lexington Avenue Line can pick up decent speed between stations.

 

5. The Astoria Line is short and sweet. Express service is not really needed there, although it would have great if the line was extended to LaGuardia Airport as planned as recently as 2003.

 

SHUT THE HELL UP!! Stop being racist...

The R46/R68's are fat, but thats not the right term, it is WIDE.

And they are not slow, ride the (D) or (B) between West 4 St and 34 St and 59 St - 125 St.

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4. The fastest portions of the Lex express: Going north between 110-116, 49mph possible before timers (you can press for 50, but you'll hit the homeball). Going north between 42-59, 48mph possible before hard brake to make the station (a TSS was operating, haven't seen a T/O challenge the station yet). 86-59 going south nets as much as 47 (not as pronounced a downhill so its hard to get it past 45 sometimes). Rest are much slower, not even approaching 45, but can get to 40. Of course 52 is possible in the Joralemon tube. In the IND, 50 is possible between 34-W4 going south, and 48 between 59-42 going south, but the rest of the expresses are slower in Manhattan.

 

I don't know if this would count, but I've seen T/O's push 46 between 42nd to 59th on the Lex express. but speaking of which, which stock do u feel operates slightly faster, the 142's or the 142A's? just wondering on personal opinion...

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4. The fastest portions of the Lex express: Going north between 110-116, 49mph possible before timers (you can press for 50, but you'll hit the homeball). Going north between 42-59, 48mph possible before hard brake to make the station (a TSS was operating, haven't seen a T/O challenge the station yet). 86-59 going south nets as much as 47 (not as pronounced a downhill so its hard to get it past 45 sometimes). Rest are much slower, not even approaching 45, but can get to 40. Of course 52 is possible in the Joralemon tube. In the IND, 50 is possible between 34-W4 going south, and 48 between 59-42 going south, but the rest of the expresses are slower in Manhattan.

 

I don't know if this would count, but I've seen T/O's push 46 between 42nd to 59th on the Lex express. but speaking of which, which stock do u feel operates slightly faster, the 142's or the 142A's? just wondering on personal opinion...

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